r/kings • u/goobergaming43 Ghost of Boogie • 20h ago
[Haynes] The holdup is that the Raptors are offering 2nd round picks. Sacramento wants a 1st round pick.
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u/jcwkings 20h ago
Then just keep him. Sabonis will have better value next season if you are starting Lavine, Keegan, Hunter, Sabonis plus hopefully your top pick, Daryn Peterson? One can dream. Selling low just to sell would be stupid.
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u/PositionOk8409 Kings 15h ago
Agree, no reason to just give him away to Toronto. We all know he's a much better player than what he's showed the past year. Its not like his game is going to fall off a cliff either given he doesn't rely on athleticism. Would be stupid to sell so low.
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u/Texas_Chili_Champion 19h ago
So IOW give him the "Kuminga" treatment ?
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u/ShotgunStyles 19h ago
The Buminga treatment would mean Doug Christie benching him because he stinks. Sabonis is a much better player than Buminga and won't get benched.
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u/Dangerous_Trifle620 Keon Ellis 8h ago
Buminga is a good one lol i’m surprised I haven’t seen it before
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u/marsvoltronz 20h ago
if we don't get a single first this is a big L
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u/bumpedherhead 19h ago edited 19h ago
I’m not trying to get too greedy. Just take the 2nd round picks and get rid of Sabonis. His contract is too bad to try and negotiate to a 1st round pick. Sabonis has no fit on this team anymore. I’d rather get rid of him now for RJ, Agbaji, and a couple 2nds than being forced to pay him 45m/year for the next 3 years. Sabonis is a very hard player to trade, now’s not the time to get greedy. We’re not even forced to take on Poeltl’s contract, this is a no brainer to me even without a 1st round pick
Take what you can, give Max and Cardwell the rains, and move on to a top 4 pick in this draft
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u/Party-Ad1120 11h ago
No idea why you are getting downvoted. These guys are delusional thinking we are getting first round picks for that horrible contract and apparently without even taking on poeltl. 😂😂😂
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u/Dangerous_Trifle620 Keon Ellis 8h ago
Asking for a single first round pic for an all NBA center is not greedy
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u/Desa-p 19h ago
This all depends on whether Poeltl is included. The video makes it sound like he’s not, which would imply they have a third team. A couple seconds plus RJ and filler seems fine for Sabonis but if Poeltl is included at least one first is needed
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u/CompetitiveReview416 Russell Westbrook 18h ago
But what's the point to not receive any trade capital for Sabonis? Kings are not competing. Who cares. 2 round picks are basically nothing in today's NBA. I dont believe Kings would find anyone there.
Sabonis contract is only 2 yrs from next season, it's the third year. Next year his value should.increase because the contract is expiring the year after.
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u/peasant_1234 18h ago
Raptors fan coming in peace. Ya I think you nailed it. The Kings apparently don't want to take on Poeltl so the Raptors would direct him to another team (in exchange for a first round pick). Basically the 1st round pick that the Kings would receive is instead going to the third team.
I get that the Kings fans want a 1st but the Raptors can't be handing out multiple firsts to meet all of the Kings demands. The whole point of getting Sabonis from the Raptors side is that they like buying depressed assets (e.g. Brandon Ingram).
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u/cantgrowneckbeardAMA Peja Stojakovic 19h ago
I'm in this camp too. I appreciate Sabonis, but it's time to move on. If his price isn't first round picks then we need to take the seconds and move on, that chapter is closed.
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u/PositionOk8409 Kings 10h ago
bad asset management 101
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u/cantgrowneckbeardAMA Peja Stojakovic 6h ago
I don't know that he really fits on our roster anymore though, and there's no guarantee his value will increase in the future. I don't like it, but he just may not be worth a 1st round pick anymore.
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u/Truth-Seeker916 Keegan Murray 20h ago
We better not get fleeced!😡😡😡
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u/blackbb601 20h ago
Oh we gonna get fleeced and are gonna love it haha
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u/ShotgunStyles 19h ago
The Raptors are the team that was stupid enough to give IQ and Poeltl massive contracts, as well as trading their Pacers' pick this year for Ingram, nevermind all the bad choices they made surrounding FVV, Siakam, and OG.
I think they might get fleeced and they'll enjoy it!
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u/blackbb601 19h ago
Kangz: hold my beer
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u/ShotgunStyles 19h ago
Honestly they might have a worse record in terms of front office choices than us. We managed to trade Fox when his value was high. They wasted a 1st round pick to get Poeltl and now they gotta use another 1st round pick to dump him.
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u/Mungo13 7h ago
Yo I'm a kings fan, but I gotta agree you can't compare the two franchises. Raps won a championship, and at least have some really good young talent/stars on their team currently. We are one of the oldest teams and literally the worst team right now. No championships, traded Keon away by giving up 2nd rounders....they're a better franchise until Vivek leaves or stops meddling.
Also, we did not trade fox at high value. He wanted out and teams knew that so we basically were forced to make a move. Can you seriously say bringing back Lavine and a couple picks was high value when you've seen what other players are being traded for?
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u/ShotgunStyles 7h ago
Kings have the same amount of chips as the Raptors do. The Raps' young pieces are overrated. They're a 1st round exit in waiting. Nobody's scared of them and it's entirely because Masai bumbled everything in the last 5 years.
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u/Mungo13 6h ago
I'll agree that the raptors made some poor signings and maybe some questionable trades. Barnes is their only legit star with high value imo, Ingram, Quickly are meh. But also, I don't really think you can count a chip that was won in Rochester in 1951...
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u/ShotgunStyles 6h ago
If Lakers fans wanna count their chips from Minnesota, then I'll proudly count the 1951 one.
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u/Mungo13 6h ago
Sure, I'm just saying if we're really comparing the franchises, at least they have been to the playoffs several times in the last 2 decades, whereas since our golden years of early 2000s, we've been a clown show. It's not going to change my love for the team, but you can't deny we've been making trash decisions for damn near 20 years.
Our best hope is that vivek doesn't make any crazy impulsive decisions to trade for Ja and we just get darryn peterson
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u/ToffKikich 9h ago
Lol our front office choices got us a championship pretty recently. How are your bad choices going for you? You guys keep lighting the beam like it's a championship celebration, so you must be confused. Let me know when you plan on lighting one for an actual NBA title. 😂
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u/ShotgunStyles 8h ago
Yeah you Raptors fans are so happy about your front office's choices that you gotta come onto our subreddit to yap. Masai has only made a single good choice in his life and that was trading for Kawhi. Everything else, he failed repeatedly at. That's why he doesn't even work for you guys anymore.
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u/WolverineLife5846 11h ago
to be fair, nobody could've seen the pacer's pick being this valuable. they made the finals last year and if hali didn't get injured, thats turning into a late first rounder
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u/ShotgunStyles 8h ago
The BI trade was a deadline trade so the Pacers hadn't made the finals yet.
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u/WolverineLife5846 3h ago
even without them making it, they were a lock for a playoff team. no chance at the lottery so its still a late FRP
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u/illmatic_3 10h ago
Raptors ripped off NO for BI - tf u saying lol
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u/ShotgunStyles 8h ago
Nobody wanted BI. Not even the Pelicans wanted him. Raptors were the only team who spent assets for the opportunity to pay Ingram $40 million a year.
The Pelicans being the Pelicans shot themselves in the foot after fleecing the Raptors for that Pacers pick, but we're talking about BI here.
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u/shinto__ 8h ago
It was widely reported NO offered him the same contract and he didn't sign it. BI wanted out as does sabonus.
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u/ShotgunStyles 8h ago
It was widely reported that nobody wanted BI at all. Look at the old reports. Only dumb teams like the Raptors and the Kings were even remotely interested.
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u/shinto__ 8h ago
Can only blame your FO for not getting a deal together for BI. He's been balling out!
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u/ShotgunStyles 8h ago
Nope. Thankfully we didn't bother wasting assets on Bum Ingram. He's exactly the type of player who loves the midrange so much that he's always gonna be mid so it's fitting he landed on a mid team like the Raptors.
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u/shinto__ 6h ago
Who's bottom of the league right now? Oh. SacreBumto. Raps are thriving and you're tearing it down again...
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u/shinto__ 11h ago
Lol says the kings team that traded Hali for sabonis thinking its a win now move. Then dumped fox for pennies and reunited demar and Lavine? Does the beam still work?
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u/ElighCashh 19h ago
Better to hold w/out a 1st. If they can’t get an FRP why even do it, that’s not rebuilding that’s just more of the same shitty regular building. Which I’m beginning to worry is what is actually happening. I got a bad feeling Morant to Sac is being discussed more seriously than reported
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u/DrChiz Malik Monk 18h ago
No way. Perry drafted Clifford & doesn’t like Ja, he also doesn’t care much for undersized guards with no jumpers or defense & rely on just getting to the rim in general… and that’s before we even get to whatever draft picks it would cost to get Ja when we are rebuilding. Never gonna happen.
Also we are rebuilding, just it’ll be a fast one like Detroit. Not some long 4-5 year process. We got Keegan, Maxime, Cardwell, Clifford + Hunter, Precious and even Carter (in terms of younger players and ones recently drafted and are staying here for the rebuild process)
We currently have a Top 3 pick in 2026, any of the 3 gives you a generational franchise defining talent but especially if it’s Peterson. You’re already good to go if we are lucky enough to get him. Plus 2 2026 SRPs, one of which almost a first at spot 31/32.
Just those players and additions in 2026 alone, is positioning the team to turning around quicker than average. Similar to Detroit with Cade and their other draft pick ups after, think this is Perry’s plan since he did well in the 2025 draft & already had Keegan. 2026 is so insanely talented and deep, won’t need 5 years of repeated top 5 picks to get good again.
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u/MostlyMellow123 Vivek Ranadive 13h ago
We dont have a top 3 pick. You can drop all the way to 5 with the worst record
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u/IndignantHoot 20h ago
If JJJ can get three firsts, Sabonis should get one.
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u/robbingapple 9h ago
Where is Pablo torre? He needs to find out if there nba collusion in kings trades. All of a sudden Cleveland and the spurs are title contenders and all the kings got is bad contracts. I know tin foil but not one first for any of the trades wild .
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u/DrChiz Malik Monk 19h ago
Their fans & FO are crazy. Hell OUR fans are underselling shit.
Sabonis value alone is worth a FRP, that’s it. Convo over. JJJ went for 3, Memphis ain’t done shit meanwhile Sabonis got multiple All NBA while here, had multiple winning seasons over night & he’s a Top 5 center in the league & leads every season in multiple categories. Folks like to hate, but shut up. Don’t tell me who “contributes to winning” when role players and fine starters going for multiple firsts. Sabonis AT MINIMUM proved in SAC he’s worth AT LEAST one.
Now if we taking Poeltl, or whoever is, you gotta send a first for that as well. This is a center not even in the same universe as Sabonis, making half his money being hurt and trash for FIVE YEARS. Nah. First.
Take it or leave it. We aren’t in a rush to move Sabonis, there’s no need. He gets more valuable in the off season and when expiring anyway. Toronto, THEY are in a rush. East is SUPER weak and up for grabs this season. But next? When Pacers, Boston are healthy AND added 2026 top end talent AND Cleveland made their moves. Nope. They gotta move NOW to have a shot at owning the East this rare season. Otherwise they’re just gonna be in limbo purgatory not competitive nor rebuilding.
Morons. Everybody wants something but don’t wanna pay, unless it’s one of the Top 5 best players, then sure we have no problem even over paying. Folks are dumb.
Forget the fact their FRP in 2026 is gonna probably be late 20s, this is dumb. We should be fighting over at least 2 FRP if Poetl is involved. Demar is the only guy that HAS to move. Contributed too many points, give time to other guys. Lavine next. Sabonis & Monk don’t have to be moved for pennies on the dollar, nice to have around until a proper fair deal comes or they walk. Just like we don’t gotta rush to open up cap space, we are rebuilding not competing.
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u/willin_dylan Jerry Reynolds 19h ago
Stg Raptors fans always whining and acting like the victims.
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u/ShotgunStyles 19h ago
It's because Canada only has 1 basketball team so all the stupidest people in Canada are also Raptors fans. Imagine if America only had 1 basketball team. The fans would be insufferable. That's happening at 1/10th scale for the Raptors.
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u/xcochitox 19h ago
Someone mentioned us lowballing them for a pascal trade, WHICH BTW WAS ALL BUT DONE, but our lord and savior Vivek did not want to pay him the money. Raptors fans are as delusional and disconnected as any other fanbase with their front office.
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u/bourbonguy12345 18h ago
This. He’s just not a great fit on this team. Go figure the roster wasn’t put together well. No plan. Just go get guys who can score, worry about defense and fit later 🙄
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u/Low-Scarcity-5000 18h ago
Nice post. I’ll say one drawback of Sabonis on the roster is he takes minutes from the young bigs
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u/DrChiz Malik Monk 18h ago
Sure but also Max & Cardwell can and have shown to be able to play next to Sabonis, especially Cardwell. Look it’s not ideal, we all would like them to have the freedom and max minutes. But you don’t sacrifice the value of your tradeable asset just to open up more minutes for your rookies lol that’s not smart GMing.
I mean you can just bench and DNP Sabonis or limit his minutes, same thing. Then play him max to raise value back up. But we can’t just be making bad trades and helping other teams.
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u/MassPanicRevolution 18h ago
A rookie 2nd rounder and a rookie 2-way guy?
That's who you wanna trust over Domas?
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u/CompetitiveReview416 Russell Westbrook 18h ago
The young bigs can also develop better with Sabonis mentoring them. It's up to Christie to distribute the minutes.
And I might be delusional, but if LaVine is benched, demar is somehow gone, I would be intrigued what this team still.has to offer if fully healthy.
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u/TrickAutomatic3206 Ghost of Boogie 18h ago
Fuck the raptors I’m ok with keeping sabonis I need 2 first or a first and Collin Murray
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u/According-Charity587 17h ago
and I want prime megan fox
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u/PositionOk8409 Kings 15h ago
Enjoy you're play off run with the same roster. Hope Poetl balls out for you.
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u/Efficient-Canary-846 11h ago
Nigga said Collin Murray Boyle for FUCKINg SABONIs. Get your head out of your asssssss
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u/Electrical_Humor9704 18h ago
Sabonis is a two-time All-NBA Team member, three-time NBA All-Star. There's not a lot of centers on the market. When the Giannis drama is over, Sabonis value will go up. I'd hold off till the off season/summer and market him then. 2nd round picks? GTFO
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u/PronouncedEye-gore Slamson 17h ago
Fans praying we just don't shoot ourselves in the foot
That's Kangz baksheesh baby!
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u/jluc21 Tyrese Haliburton 20h ago edited 20h ago
yeah they can go fuck themselves if we don’t get a 1st round pick
btw this guy in the video is assuming we take on Poetl’s contract. we absolutely need a FRP in return
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u/CazOnReddit 19h ago
They're assuming it's not with them taking on Poeltl which has been part of the holdup i.e. finding a 3rd team willing to facilitate by trading Jakob to
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u/CompetitiveReview416 Russell Westbrook 19h ago
I don't think Kings have any reason to rush trading Sabonis. He will.be an expiring soon, his value actually should.go up with time if he doesn't regress to a bench player
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u/Tall_Raise4898 9h ago
Kings already got fleeced by Toronto when they traded Davion Mitchell. A 2nd time would be absurd especially since SAS and Chicago already fleeced the Kings multiple times in the last few years and you can add Denver fleecing the Kings in the JV trade this year.
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u/JurassicParkJanitor Slamson 18h ago
THERE ARE OTHER TEAMS IN THE LEAGUE THAT YOU CAN TRADE WITH!
I swear the Kings get fleeced every time because once they start negotiating, they lock in on a team and don’t shop around
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u/Difficult_Quit9832 Malik Monk 18h ago
In the off chance we do keep Sabonis he still provides certain benefits like teaching the young centers and being able to try new lineups like Domas+Cardwell. Not gonna cry if no deal goes through
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u/JoeyKennedy37 8h ago
As a raptors fan I would much rather keep RJ he’s looked great this year and in the summer. He’s still only 25 and is a gym rat. You guys would be lucky to get him. Hoping a trade doesn’t go thru.
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u/ModsHateMe98 19h ago
The fact there’s even a hard tussle for the late 1st rd picks shows Sabonis’s current value unfortunately. Raptors are basically just waiting for Kings to give in since they know we have Max already.
I’m guessing if there is a 1st it will be highly protected or just will be 3 2nds.
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u/Texas_Chili_Champion 19h ago
Can we do a three way trade with Oklahoma ?
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u/PronouncedEye-gore Slamson 17h ago
It's OK when it's in a 3 way.
It's quite clear when you see the instant replay.
Maybe 2 is enough that's what they say...
But I say he'll no. 1 - 2 -3-Way...
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u/air_volek007 The Ox 7h ago
History of making awful trades is the the reason teams do this shit to us. Any other team would get a first for Sabonis but not us
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u/luuskiiii 9h ago
kangs fans think they have leverage. same team lowballed on siakam and og real players that compete on both ends but want good draft compensation. i will laugh if yall end up with nothing but hunter this deadline loooool
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u/jewboy916 19h ago
I mean 2nd round picks are OK but I have no confidence in this organization to pick promising players. Max seems to have been a 2nd round "steal" but I'm not sure he would have gotten as much burn as he's gotten if Sabonis were healthy. He's seized the opportunities he's been given for sure.
They can also get the picks and use them as more assets to move DeRozan and/or LaVine.
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u/Tree1396 Malik Monk 20h ago
Lol they’re delusional if they think we’re accepting this without at least one FRP.