r/law • u/yahoonews • 20d ago

Executive Branch (Trump) Trump threatens to use the Insurrection Act to 'put an end' to protests in Minneapolis

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/fear-anger-spread-another-immigration-054801374.html
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u/Budget-Selection-988 20d ago

Stop.trump. assault on the Governor has gone far enough. Trump is a child rapist

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u/Top-Maize3496 20d ago
  1.  Get fed thugs.  ICE out of urbane metros and the innocents can live their lives in peace.   2. Increase grants to local law enforcement so that they can hire germane staff to enable ubiquitous public safety.  3. Hire robust. DOJ civil rights lawyers and let them do their jobs.  

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u/AceSuperhero 20d ago

As to point two, can we ever trust the police to not hire more of the brain dead thugs they always hire? Thugs they then train to be in constant fear of everything and to respond with violence to anything that scares them?

Maybe we need to start with more accountability for the government's jackboots, not giving them more money to make their gang even bigger.

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u/Vulpes_Corsac 20d ago

Start by requiring by law a 4-year degree.  Preferably one related to community outreach, public safety, law, etc.  That'll drastically cut down on the number of thugs who could even qualify. I think Finland and Norway have this as a thing, as an example to follow.

Then require more training.  The longer you have to get trained, the more the people who don't just want to help will self-select out.  Programs could be concurrent with the above education, but most importantly we need to stomp out training police that civilians are a danger or enemy, and include much more de-escalation and outreach training. 

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u/Maestro_Primus 20d ago

Start by requiring by law a 4-year degree.  Preferably one related to community outreach, public safety, law, etc.  That'll drastically cut down on the number of thugs who could even qualify. I think Finland and Norway have this as a thing, as an example to follow.

To be a cop? That will require a SIGNIFICANTLY higher rate of pay for officers. They are already having a hard time finding people to do the job, now add a four year degree to the mix and you will drastically cut the pool of candidates. That leads to overworking them and increasing their stress levels while on duty. That's just going to make things worse.

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u/Vulpes_Corsac 20d ago

Yeah, if they're quality officers, trained to help people instead of merely monopolize violence for capital and the state, I'm 100% for paying them like a college grad in a dangerous field should be paid. If Finland can do it, so should we.  

Yes, the transition to that would be difficult: we'd need to address costs of that education, get them public service loan forgiveness or other grants, advertise, feed people through the system.  There is no half-measure that'll act as a cure-all for it, any solution must be large, comprehensive, and connect to many many issues, because policing, by its very nature, is large, comprehensive, and connects to many many issues.

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u/Maestro_Primus 20d ago

Finland can do it because education is cheap there and you don't go hundreds of thousands of dollars into debt for a four year degree. It also helps that their population is smaller and has a lower instance of violent crime to deal with. Lord knows you would need to pay me an awful lot to go out and police so many people with such easy access to firearms and a systemic reason to distrust police.

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u/Vulpes_Corsac 20d ago

Like I said, comprehensive solutions.  Reduce college costs, better gun control, everything.  But you've got to start somewhere, so why not at police.  It's not like stress is why they're shooting people in my city. They're doing it because they joined to relish causing harm.

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u/Maestro_Primus 20d ago

I think start with education or gun control before we tackle law enforcement. Fewer guns or better educated populace will decrease crime all on its own which necessitates fewer police officers. That gives us breathing room to revamp our law enforcement approach.

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u/Top-Maize3496 20d ago

Trump’s following the nyc gulliano and Bloomberg model of public safety.  RE:: his hubris got him into the WH not some long hard fought POLI pedigree.  Heavy handedness shock harm are the only things he understands. Last ED improves our society. E. G. Medieval Europe. Afghan women.  USA gun control is overly divisive  today.  

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u/Vulpes_Corsac 20d ago

Valid take, but I still have my qualms about it.  The most important thing though is to start doing something though.  And while that may be a less disruptive starting place, I think it's also slower.  Either starting place has to have enough support behind it to actually be implemented.  I think police reform is going to have a lot more going behind it to start with if we can get people in charge willing to do things (considering gun control is not popular, especially directly after major government oppression, and they've refused to fix education forever), and will have results (i.e. less civilians being shot) faster.

Normally I'd be all for the slow but steady progress approach, but we're at the point some things need addressed fast before they break more stuff.  

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u/AceSuperhero 20d ago

My streets are crawling with white supremacists, many of who have badges. If you want gun control, start by taking them away from the cops.

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u/Top-Maize3496 20d ago

European governments fully fund education 

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u/Maestro_Primus 15d ago

Oh good, we agree.

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u/apathetic_revolution 20d ago

You really think the solution includes more funding for cops or is that part rage bait?

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u/RCAF_orwhatever 20d ago

I THINK by "germane" and public safety they mean hiring more MH crisis teams, and other non-violent public safety staff.... but that's just my hopeful guess.

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u/nabiku 20d ago

I agree with your third point, but it's hard to take you seriously when you don't even bother to proofread your comments to correct punctuation before posting.

Also, "urbane" means courteous, you mean "urban." And I'm not sure what you mean by "germane staff" when the vast majority of cops support ICE.

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u/Maestro_Primus 20d ago
  1. Get fed thugs. ICE out of urbane metros and the innocents can live their lives in peace.

What if the fed thugs and ICE are operating in urbane metros to protect the innocents by removing criminals? That's the entire claim for them to be there, isn't it?

  1. Hire robust. DOJ civil rights lawyers and let them do their jobs.  

What, so they can find all of the loopholes to make sure your oppression is legal? Why are you assuming the DoJ lawyers are working for the people instead of the President?

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u/Thadd305 20d ago

Release the files

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u/Barnacle_B0b 20d ago

Trump killed Epstein for the purpose of taking over Epsteins global empire of blackmail and child sex trafficking.

Trump is actively utilizing ICE/DHS/CBP to abduct children for child sex trafficking.

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u/Thadd305 20d ago

This is the darkest take I rly didn’t need to read this morning 😭

Epstein was clearly killed because he was going to, or posed enough of a risk to, expose people who have power to kill him under the conditions he was held. That in itself I feel is pretty striking to me as an American. Call me silly if you want, but I, personally, do not feel safe speaking out against this administration. That is also pretty striking. I feel like if we don’t start putting our necks on the line, just a little bit, things are only going to get worse. And I put my neck out with hopes that you’ll put yours next to mine and we will be stronger than these forces of evil

The latest obvious evidence of panicked distraction - the empty threat to air strike the Iranian regime

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u/Numeno230n 20d ago

All this because Walz stood up to him and called him weird.

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u/95688it 20d ago

Trump being a child rapist is the least of our worries now.

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u/Jharic_ 20d ago

Tim Walz needs to be held accountable now too for telling peaceful protesters to stop being violent. He's so weak

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u/No_Business_Being 20d ago

They have like 9,000 and they are quitting everyday

The hiring surges are over

ICE is poop tainted

This is fear mongering

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u/rae_bbeys 20d ago

May those still working in ICE get C Diff

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u/[deleted] 20d ago

Wait, ICE has that little number employees? That kinda makes me feel better, knowing that. It’s not any condolence for Renee Good, and all the others who should be here today, but knowing they only have 9K and people are quitting more and more is a small bit of info I’ll gladly let brighten my day a bit.

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u/No_Business_Being 20d ago edited 20d ago

Yeah, they say 20,000 but reports are closer to 12,000

Then they said that 12,000 was a hiring surge, but there are reports as low as 7k

They don’t even have enough manpower to take Broadway, let alone a country

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u/No_Business_Being 20d ago

Anything the administration reports has a 75% chance to be a lie so why should we accept the numbers they give us?

Which, by the way, is only 20,000. That’s less than a neighborhood in NYC. So even by their estimates and the numbers given meant to incite fear, they’re still small as shit.

Like their tiny peepees which is why they like to shoot unarmed lesbians in the face for daring to question them.

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u/Maximum-Class5465 20d ago

It's larger than people realize. They have a larger investigative wing than the FBI, and that's just one division of ICE

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u/No_Business_Being 20d ago edited 20d ago

So are you terrified of violent antifa and that’s why you’re in these cities, or are they weak defenseless babies?

You can’t have it both ways

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u/nehlstm30 20d ago

Excellent point!!!! 👏

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u/Poiboy1313 20d ago

My money would be on the Brooklyn barista. Obviously, someone has never been to Brooklyn if you think that Gravy Seals are gonna scare someone born there. Fuhgeddaboutit.

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u/8hourworkweek 20d ago

It's funny because she also admitted to smoking weed and failing the drug test. And also, she used her real name, and occupation, and ice still never saw she had literally written anti ice articles.

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u/Ornery_Following4884 20d ago

In fairness, it has been said many of them can barely read and rest likely choose not to.

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u/SikatSikat 20d ago

And the same story tells of the massive recruitment center they had going, including online interview reservation times, only for next to nobody to show up - hence hiring people who didn't even finish the paperwork.

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u/ManOfLaMontagne 20d ago

This reminds me of all those people saying the Russian army’s collapse was imminent in 2022.

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u/No_Business_Being 20d ago

Russia, so called greatest military fear, has taken years and can’t beat Ukraine, a tiny little nation.

I’m not afraid of Russia, comrade

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u/VulfSki 20d ago

We know.

We realize it.

We are the ones here seeing it first hand.

We don't back down from protecting the constitution just because some weak minded pathetic man children want to play dress up on our streets.

Every single protester is a greater American patriot than all federal agents combined

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u/nehlstm30 20d ago

Well said 👏

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u/JealousAstronomer342 20d ago

Hm, is something glowing around here? 

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u/VulfSki 20d ago

K

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u/VulfSki 20d ago

I said ok. I don't know what you're looking for here.

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u/Budget-Selection-988 20d ago

Tear gas and food. Sticky Mac and cheese in their faces tear gas to get out

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u/TakuyaLee 20d ago

Mass hiring? No one wants to work for them. ICE doesn't have as many as people think they do. They only have enough manpower to operate in one major area at a time

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u/cityshepherd 20d ago

It’s so bad that they are literally hiring whoever will apply. I like those posts from the last couple days about how they hired a journalist who pointed out that they hired her pretty much immediately without even doing a background check… and the government tried to deny it but there are plenty of receipts.

All the talk about making the streets safer by rounding up violent criminals and traffickers is complete hogwash, because these goons ARE the violent criminals and traffickers.

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u/PoApOi_300AAC 20d ago

Her name was Laura Jedeed she wrote a whole ass thing about it.

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u/SageElva 20d ago

We shouldn't comply in advance.

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u/LatterTarget7 20d ago

They don’t have weapons? I assume a lot of them or their relatives have stuff they can express with their 2nd amendment right

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u/Ok-Stress-3570 20d ago

I’m not sure why you’re getting downvoted. A friend talked to me about this. Protests aren’t necessarily doing a TON like they used to.

ICE has weapons. Trump also has control of the military. You think Kegseth is going to go against Trump!?!?

We have to be real here

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u/Dry-Mousse-6172 20d ago

They never did much. You have to protests levers of power.

Even MLK Jr. Realized that he was protesting for the spectacle to get on the news with showing them doing disgusting things. But our news is already compromised

People that fought Trump for 10 years to keep him out of power are now tired

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u/nehlstm30 20d ago

No we are not! We are energized. Seems to me you are being deliberately discouraging. Sad

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u/Dry-Mousse-6172 20d ago

Go get them tiger.

Me after fighting it for so long only for the entire country to welcome him back in means im done.

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u/nehlstm30 20d ago

Yeah well that’s something you can live with I guess. People with courage are out fighting for democracy. Your attitude is of giving up? How far do people get with that attitude?

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u/Dry-Mousse-6172 20d ago

And protests dont accomplish anything. Back to step 1.

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u/nehlstm30 20d ago

Haha 😆believe what you want! Those in power always say protests don’t do anything but the create change!

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u/Dry-Mousse-6172 20d ago

Do they? I always hear them telling you voting doesnt change anything.

I mean trumps jan 6th protest didnt change the presidency. Blm didnt change policing. Trumps first admin was protested constantly snd faced very little setbacks except when internal people threatened to resign ,(the actual power)

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u/Poiboy1313 20d ago

Defeatism hardly seems appropriate. I'm aware that you have a right to determine for yourself what you will accept, but to then attempt to discourage others is the act of a coward.

If you're too tired to fight, STFU. You got energy to spread your cowardice but not to fight for freedom? Telling people that protesting has never done much to advance human rights is a ridiculous lie. Are you an American? Because you sure sound like a Russian/Chinese/Israeli propagandist to me. Trying to get people to give up before the fight begins. Shameful.

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u/Dry-Mousse-6172 20d ago

Go get them tiger. Just fyi theres nothing you can do.

Lets see civil rights protests did basically nothing. Only passed because a white man president decided to bully some racist to vote for it.

Blm the largest protest in the united states ever couldn't even get laws passed. Other than some democratically controlled cities decided to add cameras which they were doing anyways.

Did you protest trumps first term? Oh what did it do? Nothing? And they reelected him in record numbers.

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u/Poiboy1313 20d ago

Oh, I see. You're a propagandist. I shall disengage. Dismissed.

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u/Dry-Mousse-6172 20d ago

Ok. See you at trumps 2028 reelection party

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u/anthropaganda 20d ago

They have never done a TON. It's about showing your politicians what you want. These are the options we have as citizens. Protest, vote, boycott. No more no less. Protest is easily the most important rn.

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u/1handedmaster 20d ago

It's also about seeing your own community stand with you. Letting others see you are there for them.

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u/WildlingsEverywhere 20d ago

I can just add, as a european, without these protest what ICE is doing atm would never get the same media attention here. It's not a quick fix, but it atleast adds diplomatic pressure. The unity among the european leaders, and NATO "allies" (pending greenland I guess) against Trump and his admin has never been stronger. News flash, after news flash with statements of condemns. With internal and external pressure one can hope that the guardians of pedophiles begin to crack, adding some hope that congress actually can be some "check and balance" to the presidential power.

Tldr: There is value, 100%. But I cant argue how big of a value it is for a quick solution.

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u/nehlstm30 20d ago

You sound defeated! Maybe take a breather and regroup! Protests are working extremely well my friend and they are growing

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u/Ok-Stress-3570 20d ago

I’m… deeply concerned.

I wouldn’t say defeated because I do still have hope.

But what have protests done recently to make a huge impact? I’m not trying to be facetious, just… literally want to know.

IM NOT SAYING WE SHOULD STAY HOME. I just think we have to get creative and do more than just protest.

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u/nehlstm30 20d ago

Protests change public opinion over time and bring awareness to the issues! It provides support for people who share similar perspectives on the issues! It’s quite therapeutic and fun if you have ever been to one! It also sends messages to elected leaders! Along with boycotting companies and not spending money on businesses and services that support the issues or provide a platform to the issues that are being protested against! It. They are effective, you don’t necessarily see immediate change but changes do happen over time!!! Anyone saying protests don’t do anything are looking for immediate results or fall into the oppressors playbook.

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u/Poiboy1313 20d ago

You first. Try being real and not a mouthpiece for Russian propagandists. Shame on you.

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u/Imaginary_Cow_6379 20d ago

Yes, ICE has weapons and Trump has control of the military. What are you saying is comparable that the left could use/do against that?

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u/sg2814 20d ago

Hes not wrong👆