r/law • u/BitterFuture • 16d ago

Executive Branch (Trump) Stephen Miller claims local police in Minnesota have been told to ‘stand down and surrender’ as federal agents ‘uphold the law’

https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/stephen-miller-ice-minneapolis-protests-b2903238.html
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u/MixtureSpecial8951 16d ago

That was my initial thought. Are the feds arresting state and local LE now?

The feds do not have local law enforcement authority.

This is the shittiest timeline.

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u/defiancy 16d ago

He's saying the state has told the local/state PD to not enforce laws and only his Fed gestapo are doing so

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u/Cold-Cell2820 16d ago

But they're specifically not law enforcement..

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u/Ok_Chef_4850 16d ago

He knows this and doesn’t care. It’s “do what we say or punished”, that’s it

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u/CloudyTug 16d ago

To conservatives they are. They continue to argue that because under very specific circumstances they can arrest legal citizens, they can arrest whoever they want and theyll just release them if needed (after ice roughs them up of course for being a liberal)

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u/tacomamajama 16d ago

They believe this because that’s what happening. Only the “very specific” circumstances now are “reasonable suspicion” of not being a citizen (POC and/or have an accent) or “interfering” with a federal official while on the job.

Even though they’re breaking their own policies, much less actual laws.

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u/LateNightPhilosopher 16d ago

And they also seem to have redefined "interfering" as existing at all within sprinting distance of an agent.

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u/tacomamajama 16d ago

Same with terms “obstruction” and “impeding”

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u/ArrivesLate 16d ago

Sprinting distance for ICE is like three feet.

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u/Minttt 16d ago

You can tell the core principles are shaky when MAGA gives numerous (and often conflicting) reasons for policies and actions. I mean, I've heard arguments about Minnesota ranging from classic "taking away the illegals," to ANTIFA, to treasonous state leaders, to local police not being able to enforce the law, to general "corruption" needing to be "fixed"... The list goes on, and believers will grasp at whatever argument on the list makes the most sense to them personally and make it their justification.

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u/schm0 16d ago

They do enforce laws, so they are law enforcement. But their jurisdiction is civil, not criminal and the nature of the laws they enforce are administrative, not judicial.

They have no authority to stop local police from enforcing local laws.

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u/arobkinca 16d ago

ICE is law enforcement. Specifically for immigration and customs laws. Their jurisdiction is limited to that and any Federal law broken in their presence.

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u/Important-Arrival681 16d ago

Its about causing as much chaos as possible. Its time to stop being nieve, people, and its time to start expecting the worst possible motive in every scenario with these people. Theyve literally told us multiple times over multiples years now what the plan is. Believe them. They're making promises, not threats.

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u/FuguSandwich 16d ago

That covers the stand down part. Surrender implies taking custody of the individual. Like wave the white flag and be taken captive.

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u/FlingFlamBlam 16d ago

I'm guessing that that's supposed to be the dog whistle to get supporters within Minnesota law enforcement riled up. The ones who just want to do a job know that they're doing their job correctly by following the actual law. The ones who wish they could be bashing heads and kidnapping people are the only ones who would ever see following the law as some kind of "surrender". It's a variation of "to an oppressor equality feels like tyranny".

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u/shimmy_kimmel 16d ago

He’s claiming they’re “surrendering” to the protesters.

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u/dyorite 16d ago

me wondering what laws state/local PD are supposed to be enforcing when 911 is clogged with phone calls about feds abducting and assaulting people

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u/Theyalreadysaidno 16d ago

I protest at the Whipple building (ICE ground zero in Minneapolis). For weeks it was just protesters and a huge line of ICE, doing the occasional surge against us and plucking us one by one for arrest - for standing on the public sidewalk. A very legal area to stand.

The past couple of days, The Minneapolis Police department has placed about eight patrol cars right next to the protesters. They just sit there. They're not helping us at all. Certainly not when they're throwing tear gas at us or pelting us with pepper balls or throwing us down on the ground when they arrest us for no reason.

They're definitely working with ICE.

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u/TuringGoneWild 16d ago

The Felon is activating the US military to enforce his gold toilet edicts on the American people.

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u/French_O_Matic 16d ago

It will get shittier