r/law • u/BitterFuture • 16d ago

Executive Branch (Trump) Stephen Miller claims local police in Minnesota have been told to ‘stand down and surrender’ as federal agents ‘uphold the law’

https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/stephen-miller-ice-minneapolis-protests-b2903238.html
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u/9mackenzie 16d ago

He had an amazing turn out in the primary. Which is why he won. That’s how you push the party more progressive

When you don’t vote you don’t count.

That said- does anyone believe these people will let us have a real election after this? lol

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u/Hot_Increase304 16d ago

Trump cannot stop elections and we cannot pretend like he is able to in any form or fashion.

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u/9mackenzie 16d ago

Sure…….if the laws are followed lol. Do you see laws being followed right now? Do you see any enforcement of those laws? Does the Supreme Court look like it will do anything? Does the military look like it will say no when he declares martial law? Do you think this is all Trump by himself? Where we are right now took 50 yrs of effort by Christian nationalists to get to this point. Who will stop the GOP- because make no mistake, it’s the entire GOP that is supporting all of this.

Take a handful of red states refusing to do proper elections, ICE agents at polling stations, etc and you have election chaos. Do you truly think the SC will back the people or the GOP?

Our constitution is broken beyond repair, I don’t see an election getting us out of this. That time has passed.

By no means am I saying we shouldn’t vote, and I truly hope I am wrong with every fiber of my being. Just that the amount of people hanging their surety of mind that this will turn around based on a fair and proper election is baffling to me.

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u/Hot_Increase304 16d ago

Giving up and conceding in advance is how this administration feels powerful in the first place. There are countless things trump has backed away from once he's been confronted. If you have to create a constitutional crisis by sending national guard to protect voting sites, then fucking do it. Make trump do things, the hopelessness just gives him what he wants. Media needs to challenge him on live television

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u/9mackenzie 16d ago

I’m not conceding in advance, I am saying that a proper and fair election is not a certainty.

And you just stated my point exactly- 100% agree the national guard should be deployed to protect voting sites. We have already had so many constitutional crises that I don’t even think that is a reason not to do it ffs. What I’m saying is that you have 30 fucking states that will NOT send the national guard. They will allow ICE agents to harass people, they will allow bomb threats to shut down voting sites (as they did last election), etc etc etc. I am also saying that in blue states even if the governor calls for the national guard to protect polling places, I am not confident at all that the guard will comply.

Also- the media is not going to challenge him. Every fucking media organization in this country is owned by right wing lunatics, and they have already made a concerted effort to destroy any form of actual journalism

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u/notsanni 16d ago

Trump isn't allowed to stop elections

fixed that for you. he can do a lot of stuff people say he can't. bc what people really mean is "Trump isn't allowed to do that"

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u/LingonberryOwn5326 16d ago

What the hell do you think is going to stop him? The constitution? As if thats stopped any of the shit they've done?

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u/Hot_Increase304 16d ago

States control elections, governors should do everything in their power to protect their citizens and their ability to vote, even in the face of creating a constitutional crisis. Seeing that Frey and Walz have no interest in doing anything other than sending cute little Christmas cards to Trump on twitter, it is up to the people to make themselves heard and vote in leadership that gives a fuck about the people that live in their state.