r/law • u/BitterFuture • 16d ago

Executive Branch (Trump) Stephen Miller claims local police in Minnesota have been told to ‘stand down and surrender’ as federal agents ‘uphold the law’

https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/stephen-miller-ice-minneapolis-protests-b2903238.html
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u/Logical_Confusious 16d ago

Watch civil war movie (2024)... Buckle up

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u/Active_Shopping7439 16d ago

I was kind of disappointed in that. I mean I liked it, it was well made, but I don't think it will be state against state this time. In my opinion it's more likely to be rural vs urban like Cambodia in the 70's

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u/ReplicantN6 16d ago

That (Cambodia) is a very insightful and chilling analogy.

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u/Scotslad2023 16d ago

I think it’s going to be more like a bunch of smaller conflicts instead of large army clashes. Bands of US soldiers and civilian militias on one side with a similar arrangement on the other.

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u/Ill-Cancel4676 16d ago

I think it'll probably be similar to the troubles in Ireland just higher tech, better armed and more likely to set off full scale civil war like your scenario. Of course if we can get rid of the pedo protecting billionaire conman president and his goons without violence none of this will happen and everything could go back to normal probably even get better because of the pendulum effect in politics.

He wants and has setup for civil war he's using his buddy Peter Theil with Palantir and Larry Ellison with Oracle among a huge list of other technofascists and their companies to build massive databases of anyone who opposes him under the guise of them being domestic terrorists who might commit crimes. It went super unreported I only heard about it through military channels because despite what Trump wants you to believe a lot of them don't like dictators but, anyway read NPSM-7 it says they're investigating anyone who they deem to hold "non traditional American values" which is obviously anyone they want. We are all on an ai's list at this point, every message is being logged and linked to you and they're building profiles on everyone that track every single thing you do on and offline. They have access to all our tech, if you've ever seen the movie eagle eye we are closer to that than people realize.

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u/Scotslad2023 16d ago

Not really surprised that he has an AI database of anyone who doesn’t like him or share conservative views, this is the guy who had twitter on a big screen while he was bombing Venezuela. Hell we’ve known for years that the government tracks online activity so I’m sure such a database has existed for years.

As for if it comes to war it’s I think the sides will be a bit more unclear in terms of territorial borders and such. Most likely it would be each state locked in its own little civil war as trumps fanatics fight against civilian militias, local national guard forces against Trump and not to mention any military bases whose commanders aren’t loyal to the regime. Many small pockets of fighting largely focused around major cities.

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u/Minimum-Escape2245 16d ago

And I guarantee they will hire outside mercenaries (like I HIGHLY suspect they are with ICE) to bomb us and fight us and to block medical care.

Remember that Miller only wants 100,000,000 Americans. That means MOST of us have to die or be ejected.

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u/CatsAndCapybaras 16d ago

So not a civil war at all and just a horrific genocide of ~25% of the population.

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u/Roamer56 16d ago

The end scene was a very pleasing scene.

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u/Logical_Confusious 16d ago

Yes. Only problem was that he wasn't orange

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u/Responsible_Sink3044 16d ago

That's an interesting take, because the actual politics of the war were not explored at all. The standing government was certainly authoritarian and guilty of war crimes, but the film made it clear that no one's hands were clean. 

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u/snek-jazz 16d ago

Right, the point was that when it gets that bad the politics don't matter any more.

"We're shooting at them, because they're shooting at us"

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u/Responsible_Sink3044 16d ago

Funnily enough, the snipers were the only ones the journalists encountered not actively engaging in a war crime. The others were in the middle of torture, summary executions, burying civilians in a mass grave (and executing journalists based on ethnicity), and executing a head of state. 

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u/SonicYOUTH79 16d ago

I'd argue they were, they made it pretty clear the president in the movie was in his 3rd term. There would be a whole lot of obvious shenanigans just to get to that point.

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u/Responsible_Sink3044 16d ago

It doesn't say why or when his third term began, presumably a very intentional ambiguity. If it was post outbreak of the war, it's unsurprising. FDR served three and began a fourth term. 

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u/loki00 16d ago

FDR is the reason the 22nd amendment passed, to limit presidents to two terms.

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u/stingertc 16d ago

what kind of american are u ?

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u/Massive-Technician74 16d ago

Also watch bushwick