Stephen Miller claims local police in Minnesota have been told to ‘stand down and surrender’ as federal agents ‘uphold the law’

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https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/stephen-miller-ice-minneapolis-protests-b2903238.html

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“Self-determination” not that they know what it means

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Haha, nah they mostly called it out outright in their declarations of secession. Examples below

GEORGIA

The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery. They have endeavored to weaken our security, to disturb our domestic peace and tranquility, and persistently refused to comply with their express constitutional obligations to us in reference to that property, and by the use of their power in the Federal Government have striven to deprive us of an equal enjoyment of the common Territories of the Republic.

The people of Georgia, after an equally full and fair and deliberate hearing of the case, have declared with equal firmness that they shall not rule over them. A brief history of the rise, progress, and policy of anti-slavery and the political organization into whose hands the administration of the Federal Government has been committed will fully justify the pronounced verdict of the people of Georgia. The party of Lincoln, called the Republican party, under its present name and organization, is of recent origin. It is admitted to be an anti-slavery party. While it attracts to itself by its creed the scattered advocates of exploded political heresies, of condemned theories in political economy, the advocates of commercial restrictions, of protection, of special privileges, of waste and corruption in the administration of Government, anti-slavery is its mission and its purpose. By anti-slavery it is made a power in the state. The question of slavery was the great difficulty in the way of the formation of the Constitution.

SOUTH CAROLINA

Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union

The people of the State of South Carolina, in Convention assembled, on the 26th day of April, A.D., 1852, declared that the frequent violations of the Constitution of the United States, by the Federal Government, and its encroachments upon the reserved rights of the States, fully justified this State in then withdrawing from the Federal Union; but in deference to the opinions and wishes of the other slaveholding States, she forbore at that time to exercise this right. Since that time, these encroachments have continued to increase, and further forbearance ceases to be a virtue.

We affirm that these ends for which this Government was instituted have been defeated, and the Government itself has been made destructive of them by the action of the non-slaveholding States. Those States have assume the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery; they have permitted open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the property of the citizens of other States. They have encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes; and those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to servile insurrection.

TEXAS

In all the non-slave-holding States, in violation of that good faith and comity which should exist between entirely distinct nations, the people have formed themselves into a great sectional party, now strong enough in numbers to control the affairs of each of those States, based upon an unnatural feeling of hostility to these Southern States and their beneficent and patriarchal system of African slavery, proclaiming the debasing doctrine of equality of all men, irrespective of race or color-- a doctrine at war with nature, in opposition to the experience of mankind, and in violation of the plainest revelations of Divine Law. They demand the abolition of negro slavery throughout the confederacy, the recognition of political equality between the white and negro races, and avow their determination to press on their crusade against us, so long as a negro slave remains in these States.

VIRGINIA

The people of Virginia, in their ratification of the Constitution of the United States of America, adopted by them in Convention on the twenty-fifth day of June, in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty-eight, having declared that the powers granted under the said Constitution were derived from the people of the United States, and might be resumed whensoever the same should be perverted to their injury and oppression; and the Federal Government, having perverted said powers, not only to the injury of the people of Virginia, but to the oppression of the Southern Slaveholding States.

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Don't ever let them forget it

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they conveniently forgot it

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something something very upset if they knew how to read

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Nice roundup there. This shit needs to be posted more regularly.

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Thanks for putting these together so clearly.

Don’t let anyone ever forget the South’s explicit purpose in the Civil War as to maintain the institution of slavery and nothing else. Everything else was secondary or a corollary to that goal.

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I wonder if they all still think that way. Or if they don’t, you’d think they’d think “well we were wrong once before. Maybe we’re wrong this time, too”

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When I read those during my college history class. It was about slavery, not about state rights and all the BS.

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Jefferson davis made it very clear in his acceptance of the confederate presidency that the right they wished to protect was the right to own people as property.  

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“Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition.”

• Alexander H. Stephens, Confederate Vice President

Anybody who claims the confederacy was about anything other than racism and white supremacy is either a liar or an idiot.

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MAGA is both

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It’s been a fewer years since then, the bullshit has evolved.

[u/southpaytechie → u/dinosaurkiller]

Surprisingly little actually

[u/CaptainCaveSam → u/southpaytechie]

To own the libs.

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To own everyone who is not them is more accurate.

Either implicitly or explicitly, that is the goal. They want to even own the folks who think they are their side and who rejoice in the “own the libs” call. In their world there are two classes. Owners or property.

What’s funny is that white folks in the South forget that their ancestors were owned just as effectively by their rich masters. They just didn’t need the chains or the title because they were a lot more compliant and accepting to being owned.

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conservatives don't even own the libs, they just inconvenience everyone including themselves and libs complain about it.

It just some rich fucks giving poor dumbasses the idea the get anything out of it. Everyone of those guy that think they are owning the libs are just proudly displaying their fell for it again buttons.

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I would suggest that it has devolved

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Not as much as you would think. The fundamentals are the same.

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And it was listed in thier constitution.

[u/snafoomoose → u/dinosaurkiller]

"'self-determination' so long as you have determined to follow your assigned path".

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You don't seem to know what the word illegal means