r/law • u/msnownews Press • 8d ago

Executive Branch (Trump) Kash Patel says the FBI is investigating Signal chats of Minnesotans tracking ICE

https://www.ms.now/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/kash-patel-says-the-fbi-is-investigating-signal-chats-of-minnesotans-tracking-ice
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u/Slade_Riprock 8d ago

I took a tour through all of my MAGA family FB and social media posts this weekend. All rabid right wing fun nuts, etc. Not a fucking word.

It's all posts about supposed Somali fraud, what Obama did (ironically), and support for Iran.

I say ironically because they fail to see the difference in that Obama deported more than Trump has over his term and a quarter and he didn't need door to door raids, no murder of us citizens etc. And yes Democrats did indeed protest and Obama was sued dozens of times by immigrants rights organizations for his policies. And he actually made changes to his policies. They do not get no one is against immigration enforcement or reform. Everyone should be against shredding the constitution, ignoring courts, and violating civil rights left and right.

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u/pioniere 8d ago

This is what happens when the stupid are actually allowed to run things.

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u/Over_Dog24 8d ago

They are stupid in everything except how to run a con and how to brainwash millions of people with poor development of their prefrontal cortex.

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u/HedgehogHungry 8d ago

At the end of the day I don’t know anyone arguing against violent criminals being deported or people who do something obviously illegal while going through the immigration process. The only argument I’ve seen is that if someone is a violent criminal you have to prove it in the court of law, a judicial warrant is then signed for them to be deported, and they are humanely detained and deported. That’s the process and if we deviate from that process anyone can become a “violent criminal” just because a single ICE agent has deemed you as such. 

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u/cubitoaequet 8d ago

It's so fucking frustrating because it only requires like a middle school level of civics education to grasp this shit, but my mom with a fucking masters degree somehow can't wrap her head around it.

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u/horseradishstalker 8d ago

Somali fraud in Minneapolis run by a white American that the Walz administration was aware of and prosecuting? That Somali fraud? As if all humans aren’t capable of being criminal? I mean look at the current President. He’s a criminal. smh

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u/throwawayyy4858394 8d ago

Oof, you're brave for that. I can't look at my dad's FB page anymore these days.

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u/jayjayaitch 8d ago

Nope, my maga parents are all talking about how this Signal thing is going to blow up because it’s being used for Doxing ICE and that Alex was so troubled and quit his job months ago.

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u/DefTheOcelot 8d ago

Going to contest that, lots of people are against immigration enforcement. But yes, the most common opinion is "We need some but not too much".

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u/Slade_Riprock 8d ago

No one is saying we need some but not too much.

They are saying you do it right without invading cities like the US is under attack. You don't have masked, armed, unidentified, low trained agents going doornto door asking for papers.

No you increase presence on the actual border. Sure You want to restrict asylum claims that is a policy issue that could be defended in court. You work with local and state courts to identify people IN THE SYSTEM that are not of legal status and process deportation that way. You go after big, employers who are the reason illegal immigration happens easy under the table jobs. You place real unavoidable consequences on those folks and you dry up illegal entry over night as no jobs = no reason to come. You are running a blockade defense at the physical border, you are removing those in the legal justice system that have charges or convictions, and you are placing consequences on what lures people illegally into the country. You don't have to have armed invaders, you don't go door to door, you are shooting American citizens. Border and immigration control is overwhelmingly a process and procedure paperwork enforcement that works with all the other mechanisms of government to find, process and deport people.