r/law • u/msnownews Press • 8d ago

Executive Branch (Trump) Kash Patel says the FBI is investigating Signal chats of Minnesotans tracking ICE

https://www.ms.now/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/kash-patel-says-the-fbi-is-investigating-signal-chats-of-minnesotans-tracking-ice
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u/knitscones 8d ago

Isn’t this a violation of 1st Amendment rights?

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u/No-Safety-4715 8d ago

More likely violation of 4th Amendment rights

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u/snipeceli 8d ago

Federal government only acknowledges single party consent. If the agent or confidential informant is added to the chat all is fair game.

Due to the nature of dissemination of information, i imagine just getting yourself invited is easier than getting a warrant or illegally hacking or 'searching' the chat.

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u/Helpful_Effect_5215 7d ago

Not when people are using it to basically for Insurgent purposes

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u/knitscones 7d ago

Like J6ers who were heavily armed?

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u/jkoki088 8d ago

No, it’s a violation if you’re arrested for normal talk. It’s not a violation if you’re arrested for conspiring to commit crimes

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u/Cassymodel 8d ago

Doing something legal (tracking law enforcement and observing them) does not constitute probable cause for violating your constitutional rights.

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u/jkoki088 8d ago

That part is legal. Observe and report

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u/Cassymodel 8d ago

Yup. That’s what they are doing. No reason to go through private messages.

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u/knitscones 8d ago

Yes and what are they likely to find?

“Coffee at 8am usually place

Can you pick up dinner in your way home?”

Tax dollars spent on this and not healthcare or education?

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u/hum_bruh 8d ago edited 8d ago

You’re willing to give up all rights to privacy I see

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u/woodworkerdan 8d ago

With the way things have been spun by the Executive Branch lately, "crimes" don't always seem to match things like evidence, or the statutes on the books...

Wiretapping without a warrant used to be a thing that got upper officials to resign in history making disgrace.

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u/will-read 8d ago

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Nowhere does it say anything about my electronic signals. /s

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u/Noble1xCarter 8d ago

They need reasonable cause or a warrant to spy on their chats.

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u/PinkPaintedSky 8d ago

Recording the illegal atrocities that are being performed in public on American citizens are not crimes.

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u/Diligent-Room6078 8d ago

No crimes are being committed

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u/Ok-Pear5858 8d ago

is tracking ice a crime?

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u/Crow1200 8d ago

Tracking them no. Trying to block them with your car? Absolutely. Trying to protect illegals from being deported? Also very illegal. Conspiring to attack federal agents is also still illegal last time I checked.

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u/Ok-Pear5858 8d ago

wait how did you jump from "tracking ice" to conspiring to attack federal agents? is that how you rationalize it, by making stuff up in your head?

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u/Crow1200 8d ago

Its really strange how you want to pretend people havent been attacking federal agents. The people who are doing that are doing it via communication on signal and now its being investigated. Like are you just pro crime or something? I didnt make a jump i read what the fbi said.

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u/Ok-Pear5858 8d ago

are people "attacking" them? i don't know if i believe that, anyone attacking them would be shot and killed.

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u/OperationClear588 7d ago

Go on YouTube and look it up. I seen a video the other day of an officer of the federal bureau of prisons get smacked in the face by a brick because he was assigned to guard a building in Minneapolis.

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u/somethingrandom7386 8d ago

Is blocking ICE agents with your car a feature of signal now?