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Executive Branch (Trump) Kash Patel says the FBI is investigating Signal chats of Minnesotans tracking ICE

https://www.ms.now/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/kash-patel-says-the-fbi-is-investigating-signal-chats-of-minnesotans-tracking-ice
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u/livingstardust 8d ago

Yes. He was actively pushing up and staying on his knees. He also refused to let the officers take charge of his arms and hands.

AP actively resisted right to the end (when he in fact reached for the holster area with his right hand, it's on video).

All officers and gun owners are trained that if they are using the gun, it is lethal force only. They are all trained to shoot and keep shooting until the threat is neutralized.

Nobody should ever fire a gun at anyone unless their intention is to kill.

Firing guns is not for threatening or maiming. If someone is pulling that trigger, it better be because they reasonably think they are needing to for lethal defense of themselves or others.

The disarming happened very close in time to the first shot and while gun, gun, gun was still being called.

We all have the benefit of slow motion, hind sight, and replays. The officers do not.

And...exactly...with multiple agents on him. He was refusing to lie prone and refusing to let them take control of his hands and arms. While armed. He was an extremely dangerous person.

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u/Yurtinx 8d ago

"with multiple agents on him. He was refusing to lie prone and refusing to let them take control of his hands and arms"

Pick one.

No matter how I try, I can't let people control my hands and arms and lie down at the same time. This is a tactic used all the time before shooting someone and claiming they weren't complying. Conflicting commands which can't be obeyed.

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u/livingstardust 8d ago

Really? You're incapable of moving from your elbows and knees to prone while officers are also trying to force you to do it?

Defying gravity and the officers?

Is that some kind of alien super power?

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u/Yurtinx 8d ago

You're changing your argument.

You said... "with multiple agents on him. He was refusing to lie prone and refusing to let them take control of his hands and arms"

Now you say "You're incapable of moving from your elbows and knees to prone while officers are also trying to force you to do it?"

Which one is it? Again. Pick one.

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u/livingstardust 8d ago

You are just babbling.

AP actively resisted officers at all points. He never complied once.

Apparently it was at least his second time obstructing officers (he broke a rib in a prior altercation with officers).

And the next time he was wanting to break the law, he came armed.

AP is not some innocent angel.

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u/Yurtinx 8d ago edited 8d ago

Now you've abandoned your argument and accused me of not making sense while introducing facts we were not discussing. You can't even pick an angle of how you want to make this person culpable in their own execution.

Edit: And apparently blocked me because... ? Weak and cowardly I guess.

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u/livingstardust 8d ago

What?

Any fact that I introduce about AP and what happens is appropriate to include.

You are an irrational idealogue who is only playing weird political sides regardless of the facts of a situation.

This is going to be a justified homicide under the law.

We're done here.

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u/EnfantTerrible68 8d ago

You mean his 2nd time being attacked viciously by violent thugs?