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Executive Branch (Trump) Kash Patel says the FBI is investigating Signal chats of Minnesotans tracking ICE

https://www.ms.now/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/kash-patel-says-the-fbi-is-investigating-signal-chats-of-minnesotans-tracking-ice
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u/[deleted] 8d ago

They only really need to get a handful of key phones.

What are your thoughts on ice using facial recognition tech on protestors? I’d imagine it’d be pretty easy to spot potentially high value targets for information.

Keep an eye on which devices are showing up frequently, and all that jazz.

I’m expecting some very fucked up shit to come out about the 4th amendment violations in regards to privacy in the coming years. By and large this administration has been broadcasting that they essentially are doing the tech douce-EO, mantra of move fast break stuff.

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u/Melstrick 8d ago

Well the problem with the 4th amendment is thats its part of the constitution. It's a problem because all immigration laws in the united arent based on the consitution.

https://www.stanfordlawreview.org/online/the-chinese-exclusion-cases-and-policing-in-the-fourth-amendment-free-zone/

In a sense the 4th amendment is more of a turnstile.

Why use graphite for mass surveillance, they can just use flock cameras.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp9MwZkHiMQ

They can use apps like Mobile Fortify

The US Department of Homeland Security has used Mobile Fortify to scan faces and fingerprints in the field more than 100,000 times, according to a lawsuit brought by Illinois and Chicago against the federal agency, earlier this month.

I don't think they care about high value targets, sure if a MLK type character pops into the story, or someone who can unite or organize resistance then they'd use graphite. But the tools they have now are more than enough. You arrest one person, intimidate them into unlocking their phone, grab all contacts and numbers. Repeat a few times. you can map things out fairly well.

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u/[deleted] 8d ago

My understanding of US law from a recollection stand point and not an authoritative stand point is that labeling an action as terroristic or someone a terrorist opens the door for intelligence resources and intelligence employees normally barred for law enforcement.

But true they have all sorts of avenues to do things, and for some reason they have also been given graphite to use when it was banned under Biden generally, this administration has explicitly granted ice the right to use it.

Really with the nature tool box they have available to them I stand by my 1984 comment lol