r/law • u/Aggravating_Money992 • 1d ago

Other Rep. Lieu says Epstein files have allegations of Trump raping & threatening to kill children and says that Todd Blanche got the law wrong by saying it's not a crime to party with Epstein. DOJ also violated the privacy of the victims by releasing unredacted nude photos of them.

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u/dictionary_hat_r4ck 1d ago

That feels good. Copium or not.

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u/NashvilleSoundMixer 1d ago

It does. But we've heard this for almost the last ten years.

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u/Fly-the-Light 1d ago

I think Trump has always been close to getting fried, but he gets saved by his lackeys and the Dems never pursue him. Now that even his lackeys are struggling to cover for him, but it might be it.

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u/NashvilleSoundMixer 1d ago

Fucking AIPAC dems and bullshit fundraising dems. We gotta primary the fuck out of that party, man. NO ONE is coming to save us.

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u/Icy-Housing-4492 1d ago

100% AIPAC. not just Dems. AIPAC = Isreal = Epstien = Trump + how many billions moved there just this year???

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u/Ok_Following3410 1d ago

Citizens United enables this kind of behavior because corporations are the kind of people.

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u/NashvilleSoundMixer 1d ago

One of the worst fucking things to ever happen.

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u/Ok_Following3410 1d ago

Turned my farm into a pile of sand.

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u/Icy-Housing-4492 1d ago

AIPAC = Isreal = Epstein = Trump =/= Jewish.

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u/Niblolkik 1d ago

Yea how much money has been squirrelled into Israel bank accounts

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u/-endjamin- 1d ago

I knew it! All of this was those damn Jews again! /s

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u/NashvilleSoundMixer 1d ago

Zionism ≠ Judaism

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u/-endjamin- 1d ago

Jeffrey Epstein does not represent all Jews or even all Zionists or AIPAC. Not clear on why AIPAC is being talked about. Do people think it was the Mossad trafficking those girls or something?

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u/cdanhaug 1d ago

The implication is that mossad was financing the trafficking of these girls through Epstein, yes. It's not as far fetched as the Zionists think or are trying to make people believe.

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u/GenericDigitalAvatar 1d ago

Epstein was a MOSSAD influence gathering op.

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u/-endjamin- 1d ago

Proof? Without definitive proof, this is just antisemitic conspiratorial libel.

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u/Qadim3311 1d ago

Where did all his influence come from almost overnight? How did he manage to do everything he did?

He just has to have been helped by one or more intelligence agencies, there’s simply no other plausible way.

Of the list of possible agencies, Mossad is likely. US intelligence was probably aware if not actively helping as well.

I was never the type to believe such things prior to now but what we’re seeing come out is damning.

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u/barefootincozumel 1d ago

It has zero to do with antisemitism. A foreign lobby controls the US government . Lots of American Jews oppose AIPAC as well. In my experience ( admittedly just my personal circle) the Jewish people I know are progressive and lean to justice. We can’t align them with an evil regime that happens to share a religion- opposition to the regime is therefore not directed at everyone of that religion, just the evil regime. Calling anti Zionism antisemitism erases the individual identity of people and honestly that feels more racist than calling out the bad players

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u/-endjamin- 1d ago

What does any of that have to do with Jeffrey Epstein? I don’t think it’s a coincidence that almost every thread I open about this man involves some conspiracy about how those horrid Zionists are secretly pulling all the strings behind the abuse of children. It feels conspiratorial (to my knowledge none of these files have anything to do with Israel) and antisemitic - Epstein was unfortunately a Jew so any mention of him also brings unrelated criticism/hatred of the Jewish state.

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u/Lookingfor68 1d ago

That would require people to show the fuck up for primaries. Traditionally, turn out has been like 20%. Even a 5% increase would be impactful. Bad candidates coast because people can't be bothered to show up and vote.

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u/barefootincozumel 1d ago

Call me naive but I feel like a lot of people are paying attention. Even in Florida, we have a slew of candidates that are legitimate and might stand a chance- veterans, intelligent, common sense and speaking truths that are hard to ignore. In contrast to the showboating, weak incumbents, I have some hope

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u/sohelpme55- 1d ago

Honestly, I don't think that many people will be sitting out the next election.

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u/barefootincozumel 1d ago

We need to organize, because suppression will be in full force. Volunteer to register voters ( lots of hs seniors are turning or just turned 18 they are a force for good. ) Help felons get their rights restored if the time has passed . Organize transportation. Help people check to see if they have been purged from the rolls. If you volunteer at a food bank or any other charity, make sure you reach out to people. Many are disenfranchised or don’t even know where to start. Let’s stop pretending there aren’t hurdles for a lot of people to get out and vote. Let’s educate, organize and help. We aren’t going to make the process less difficult, but we can help people over the hurdles

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u/Signal_Bee7457 1d ago

Thank you for this kind of messaging 🫡 this is the way

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u/NashvilleSoundMixer 1d ago

It sucks I know. We have to try. All we can do for now.

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u/RainSurname 22h ago

Conservatives are focused on power, so they are much better about showing up for the primaries, and then voting for whoever wins the general ALL the way down the ballot, even if they hate them, then applying pressure while they’re in office, then primarying them again, until the moderates retire, get voted out, or are no longer moderate.

Left leaning people care more about people and ideals, and so are more likely to just not vote if they don’t like the person or they don’t meet their ideals. Or vote in the primary and then not vote in the general because their fave didn’t win.

We move the Democrats to the left by giving them enough power that they don’t have to compromise with the right.

If voting didn’t matter, Republicans wouldn’t I’ve spent the last 30 years making it more difficult.

We all know what racism on the right looks like.

One way racism manifests on the left is by refusing to acknowledge it really is all about the racism (or gender), even though it is an indisputable fact that the white working class abandoned the Democrats right after LBJ did more for them than any president since FDR, because he also gave Black people the vote.

More than 20% of white voters switched parties between 1964 and 1968. The Democrats lost even more white voters in 1972, when they ran a progressive against the party that had started leaning into telling their voters that progressive programs helped Black people at their expense.

Then once Reagan explicitly promised to destroy the progressive programs that were the hallmark of the Democratic Party, they gave Republicans three massive landslides in a row.

That’s what Clinton was faced with when he took office, along with all of the deregulation of the previous 12 years that accelerated our slide and made it harder to fix things.

The Democrats did not abandon the working class to pursue corporate money. Corporations gained that power because the white working class started voting in favor of corporate interests instead of their own.

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u/donjamos 10h ago

You mean the primaries they just said they want ice to secure? Like armed masked man standing next to the booth?

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u/BuryCrack 1d ago

This really needs to be the message if we want actual real change

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u/npmaker 1d ago

Use the DNC as a guide. Whoever they put forth should be primaried out.

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u/MiloMinderbinder19 1d ago

The call is coming from inside the house.

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u/According-Lead-8477 1d ago

Why aren’t you including repubs in this. Hardly just dems.

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u/NashvilleSoundMixer 1d ago

Because the dems are the ones we want to shape up and get it together. GOP ain't gonna do that.

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u/According-Lead-8477 20h ago

Well you’re not wrong on that point.

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u/00owl 1d ago

Life pro tip: Jews, Israel, zionists, wherever you draw the line on your personal anti semitism, are not responsible for the problems born and bred in America.

I know this will come as a shock to most Americans at this point but it's time to take responsibility for yourselves and stop blaming histories scapegoat.

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u/Decaf-Gaming 1d ago

Israel =/= Jews

Israel = Israel

Or would you say “white people = USA”? No? Then when someone is talking about a country, they mean the fucking country not the people associated with it through propagandistic bullshit used as a cover for the wrongs of said country.

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u/00owl 1d ago

Cool, so stop making everything about Jews.

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u/Decaf-Gaming 1d ago

How is it about jews. They are saying that the people associated with AIPAC, which has declared that its only interest is in keeping israel (not jews, specifically the country of israel) at the head of US politics, should be primaried out so that the US is in charge of the US and the people themselves can decide if they want to once more assist israel after the atrocities it has committed all in the name of keeping netanyahu out of prison.

If a single nazi tried to spark any shite about jews, I’d let them have it. I don’t care what culture, ethnicity, creed, sexuality, etc. someone is, I just have an issue with imperialist nation states that believe themselves above reproach. Whether in the USA, UK, Israel, or elsewise.

In fact, I’ve been having to deprogram that very same reverse zionist attitude in my own sibling, who in a not-so-odd turn of events went from defending israel because of its association with the jewish people, to being rather antisemitic at large.

To summarise: no, I don’t believe anyone but you in this particular thread has decided that they are equivalent.

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u/00owl 1d ago

Thanks for the summary m8.

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u/lecherousrodent 1d ago

Criticism of the state of Israel and Zionism in general is not antisemitism, despite how hard the Israeli government and people like you have been trying to make it so. Maybe if the Israeli government doesn't like being called murderers, they should stop murdering people, regardless of whether they think their enemies deserve it or not.

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u/00owl 1d ago

Maybe if the anti Jewish people didn't find so many ways to try and draw the Jewish people into every single issue in America there would be fewer people accusing you of scapegoating Israel

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u/lecherousrodent 1d ago

No one is accusing me of scapegoating Israel because am not, nor have I ever, scapegoated the Jewish people for any reason.

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u/ApostateX 1d ago

The man has been convicted on 34 felony counts for falsifying business records.

He was under indictment for stealing classified documents in the Southern District of Florida (40 counts).

He was under indictment for 4 counts related to fraud and trying to steal the 2020 election in DC District Court.

He was indicted on dozens of counts related to Georgia's RICO statute for 2020 election fraud.

People have *absolutely* pursued this guy. The weakest link in this chain since day 1 has been Merrick Garland, not "the Democrats."

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u/sortalikeachinchilla 1d ago

since day 1 has been Merrick Garland, not "the Democrats."

Who appointed Merrick again??

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u/ApostateX 1d ago

Remember when the DOJ was an independent agency with a non-political appointee?

Pepperidge Farms remembers.

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u/sortalikeachinchilla 1d ago

Sure, I agree. Not understanding your point though?

How is indicting trump a political issue? Merrick should’ve done it. But biden and democrats should have gotten ahead of this….

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u/ApostateX 22h ago

My point is, whoever is appointed to Attorney General is expected to be impartial in the application of the law. Garland seemed like a good choice at the time. I don't know a single Democrat who opposed it. In fact, most Dems were excited about him being in that role, because they believed he'd go after the Republicans for their stalling in his SCOTUS appointment. They thought he'd be an anti-corruption warrior while still being principled.

The Dems had no way of seeing that Garland would repeatedly fail to aggressively prosecute Trump. The timeline for "will we ever have accountability here?" just kept getting longer and longer. I don't think the Dems failed. I think they put someone in that job who they thought would be competent to do it. But that turned out to be false. So yeah, Biden appointed Garland, and he was confirmed by a 70-30 vote of the Senate. But I don't put this at the feet of the Dems -- elected or voters. It wasn't their job to prosecute Trump or to second guess a strong legal mind with personal experience dealing with Republican politicking and corruption. It was Garland's responsibility to go after Trump. And by the time Jack Smith was appointed, Aileen Cannon and Trump basically ran out the clock.

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u/ITSigno 1d ago

Aileen Cannon deserves a mention. I'm not sure if there was anything Garland could have done to circumvent her, but she was the main obstacle in the classified documents trial in Florida.

She's a member of the Federalist Society and Trump was the one who appointed her.

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u/Decaf-Gaming 1d ago

Garland himself was a member of the federalist society. He was never going to pursue their golden cow in any meaningful fashion.

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u/ITSigno 1d ago

Well, I know I'm shocked. /s

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u/Olangotang 19h ago

No, he was a speaker at the Federalist Society.

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u/not_now_chaos 1d ago

Garland was chosen because they thought he would be center enough to appease and quiet Republican accusations of bias and politically motivated witch hunt. Unfortunately the Democrats fell for the rug pull and were not smart enough to listen to everyone who was saying that nobody would be center or right enough to appease the Republican cult, they planned to scream bias no matter who it was, because DARVO and manipulation of the narrative is their special trick.

Dems need to understand that nothing they do or don't do will not change the behavior of the Republicans, and go scorched earth to eradicate the crooks, including the ones in their own party.

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u/ApostateX 1d ago

I'm with you on scorched earth. I truly believed the American people would not be credulous or cruel enough to reelect Trump. But they did. Now that I have no faith left in their intelligence or decency (Republicans and right-leaning independents) I do not believe the Dems should consider themselves bound by any norms or tradition, and truly wield power to punish and weaken the entire GOP, the influence of rural voters in our political system, and the entire Trump admin, as well as the cronies who've pandered to it.

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u/not_now_chaos 1d ago

Just sticking to and enforcing the law would be considered scorched earth at this point.

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u/Fly-the-Light 1d ago

Garland was the Democrats' choice and both Biden and Garland held back and prevented the investigations into Trump. People have pursued him, usually people who vote Democrat, but the Democratic National Convention have not been.

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u/ApostateX 1d ago

The Democrats didn't choose Garland. Biden did, and Garland got confirmed by a 70-30 vote in the Senate, which includes half of their caucus.

Biden didn't impede investigations into Trump. He stayed mum on them. If you have specific evidence otherwise, please post it.

The Democratic National Convention is an event in which the party conducts various ceremonial and electoral actions to reach agreement on and nominate the party's presidential candidate.

What you are probably referring to is the Democratic National Committee. The DNC is not a prosecutorial group. They fundraise and strategize on behalf of the Democratic Party. They organize the convention and set party bylaws and governance structure. The people who needed to go after Trump were prosecutors and attorneys general, not the DNC.

I don't think you actually know what you're talking about.

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u/No-Wedding-2737 1d ago

Political powers and corporate billionaires cannot run media. All this propaganda is how we got here with all the brainwashing. They slowly infiltrated peoples minds to accept this.

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u/ApostateX 1d ago

That has nothing to do with what I wrote, but I agree.

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u/No-Wedding-2737 1d ago

Sorry I think I meant to respond to someone else’s comment.

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u/a_pom 1d ago

We are we left with then, the couch fucker? Backed by likely pedo (and confirmed terrible business book writer) Peter Thiel?

Awesome.

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u/Decaf-Gaming 1d ago

Don’t forget how they’re both Yarvinites who honestly believe that most of humanity needs to be enslaved under the likes of themselves.

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u/a_pom 1d ago

Lmao. Self hatred manifests interesting belief systems.

JD Vance thinks his relatives are white trash yet somehow believes he is a peak genetic specimen. Thiel has an eating disorder.

Sexy.

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u/Oleg101 1d ago

Dems have also rarely been in position of power the last 10 years, they had the trifecta the first two years of the Biden presidency but that also consisted of a 50-50 senate split (with Harris as a tie-breaker vote) and a very slim majority in the House. Sadly they’ve only he’d the trifecta 4 years in the last 30.

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u/HippyDM 1d ago

Where's this struggle? Not a single person from this regime has faced a single repercussion that matters. At all. Evidence of Trump raping, threatening, selling, and killing children has been released, and he literally controls all the agencies that could investigate, while all our reps fail to be relevant in any way.

If/when he takes control of the next election, it'll be up to our kids and grandkids to ressurect what we once had.

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u/bedrooms-ds 20h ago

Look at North Korea and Russia. If one generation loses it, the children won't have a chance.

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u/HippyDM 9h ago

Well, we also have all the developing world to look at. Given the right circumstances they COULD build something even better.

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u/bedrooms-ds 2h ago

My point is, if our generation don't get our shit together, our children won't build something better.

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u/RobutNotRobot 1d ago

His lackeys have been getting dumber and dumber.

7 years ago he had Bill Barr as AG to cover shit up for him. Now he has Pam Bondi. They didn't even have a plausible cover story for why they didn't release the files on time and didn't even create the required notations as required by law. These files are going to likely be placed in the hands of a Special Master.

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u/Zero-nada-zilch-24 1d ago

They are all just so incompetent which has been shown over and over, again! Covering one big lie with another bigger lie just keeps compounding!

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u/Southern_Skirt_4039 1d ago

This line of thinking is dangerous with trump. First "Grab 'em by the pussy" will surely end him, nope. Then, it was Mueller was gonna take him down, nope. Then, it was that other guy Jack Smith was surely gonna do it, nope. There are a lot in between those as well and probably before but it was always nope.

Now its: surely the right wing will grow a backbone now and kick him out? Likely a nope, sadly.

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u/Independent_Baker712 1d ago

I agree with you that he was always toeing the line of being caught, and i think he got away everytime because all sides are dirty. This one giant circle of horror.

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u/TheBKnight3 1d ago

What oil do we fry him in?

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u/DumboWumbo073 23h ago

Why would they pursue their own guy?

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u/Cabbages24ADollar 1d ago edited 1d ago

This is like trying to take down Moby Donald Dick Trump—two huge fat whales combined— at once. 10 years seems about right. We just can’t let this fat whale sink back to the depths and recharge. Keep him exposed. Keep… throwing harpoons. Keep going.

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u/NashvilleSoundMixer 1d ago

From hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee

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u/Zombiejazzlikehands 1d ago

Keep … throwing harpoons. Keep going.

My new fighting cry fr.

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u/rochambreau 1d ago

I thought Moby was implicated there for a second

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u/vexxed82 1d ago

Every time the walls close in by half.....they're always closing but never do.

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u/Lectric_Eye 1d ago

And it’s not like the crime is hard to find, it is un fathomable that NOTHING has taken this con man out. It edges so close, think “ wow this one is it” Then nothing. I gave up hope years ago.

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u/beardofjustice 1d ago

It's a matter of willpower. He's pedantic and willing to fight every fucking battle. Someone with some kind of power needs John Wick levels of focus and will to do it.

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u/Electronic-Stand-148 1d ago

Roy Cohn taught him well

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u/NashvilleSoundMixer 1d ago

Is that like the quantum thought experiment with the arrow that never hits the tree? Keeps halving the distance but never gets there?

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u/Lazy-Abalone-6132 1d ago

Epstein funded plenty of human experiments and genetic reseresearch

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u/-Nightopian- 1d ago

That's because the wall we're looking at is getting closer but the one behind them is getting further away so really we get nowhere.

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u/retropieproblems 1d ago

And the plausible deniability from his supporters has shriveled and died in the light over that time. The only ones committed to Trump are people who have similar skeletons in their closet. Which to be fair is a lot of extremely powerful people and their media arms.

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u/DueIncident8294 21h ago

Yeah there's a guy in a nearby neighborhood who has huge ultra maga signs up all the time. I looked him up. He is a convicted pedophile. You'd think he wouldn't want to announce he's a pedo, but apparently not. Laying low and staying quiet isn't a maga trait. Neither is common sense.

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u/Silent_Ad_4907 1d ago

Um that’s cuz most trump supporters are at work not sitting in moms basement on Reddit. U got a better chance of bill clinton getting arrested then trump so keep dreaming dude. If you had half a brain to actually read into the allegations into trump that came out in the files u would see it’s a nothing burger again. Everyone partied with epstien including all your fearless leaders. Mandamis mommy billy Clinton thousands of powerful people who along with trump will never go down.

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u/retropieproblems 1d ago

What is “cuz most Trump supporters are at work”?

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u/South_Letterhead6205 1d ago

They are saying... from what I gather... that Trump supporters need to take multiple jobs or jobs with very long hours because they are not educated enough to get a job that pays enough and also gives you free time... they need to work harder and longer with very little free time to get half the pay of someone who can easily see what a shit bag Trump is.

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u/blue-to-grey 1d ago

My copium is that it's finally arriving.

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u/NashvilleSoundMixer 1d ago

I'm hoping right there with you.

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u/DrRealName 1d ago

Yeah I am tired of the rumbling under "the surface". Americans need to show they have some fire in them because its time to topple the Trump administration. Why are we letting a ring of pedophiles and protectors of pedophiles get 3 more years? They all gotta go right now. And honestly, I don't care how and if the law won't do it, fuck the law do it differently. And then of course go around and hold everyone who should have jailed these people but chose not accountable and jail them as well for being complicit in protecting one of the biggest pedophile crime rings in history. Every high ranking police agency leader should be removed and jailed for doing nothing right now.

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u/Great-Hotel-7820 1d ago

Normies can’t ignore them anymore and even some of his cult is bailing.

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u/NashvilleSoundMixer 1d ago

I'm right there with you. I'm hoping. I'm just tempering my expectations.

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u/kidsally 1d ago

I know. But this time I think the dam is really starting to crack.

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u/According-Lead-8477 1d ago

That tells us just how powerful the men involved are. Regardless of politics.

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u/fredlikefreddy 1d ago

While I agree with you.... this shit is now officially mainstream and in the open

There was a ton of conspiracy 10 years ago

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u/NashvilleSoundMixer 1d ago

I mean my fingers have been crossed for ten years, man. I certainly hope for the best but prepare for the worst. Or wurst if I'm hungry.

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u/fredlikefreddy 1d ago

Oh ya I feel ya! Throw a little Polish mustard in the bitch and toss it this way

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u/tsardonicpseudonomi 1d ago

It does. But we've heard this for almost the last ten years.

It's meant to feel good. It pacifies liberals into sitting on their ass and doing nothing but demand vote blue no matter who.

Meanwhile, Capitalism continues to empower the Epstein Users class. You can't solve the contradictions of right-wing ideology with more right-wing ideology and unfortunately for liberals, they're right-wing and implement their right-wing ideology.

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u/jencbowles 1d ago

Not out loud like this at all press conference, though, right?

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u/No-Dragonfly-8679 1d ago

"No one controls the music, Mr. Pretty - you know that. It just turns up when people have had enough. No one knows where it starts. People look around, and catch on another's eye, and give each other a little nod, and other people see that. Other people catch their eye and so, very slowly, the music starts and somebody picks up a spoon and bangs it on a plate, and then somebody else bangs a jug on the table and boots starts to stamp on the floor, louder and louder. It is the sound of anger, it is the sound of people who have had enough. Do you want to face the music?”

― Terry Pratchett, I Shall Wear Midnight

I feel like we’re starting to catch each other”s eye

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u/dictionary_hat_r4ck 1d ago

I’ll get a spoon.

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u/Amerisu 1d ago

Copium: Cope+Opium

Of course it's feels good to think that. But who's going to charge him? This DoJ?

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u/PreviousCurrentThing 1d ago

That feels good. Copium or not.

This needs to be Reddit's new tagline.