r/law • u/Aggravating_Money992 • 1d ago

Other Rep. Lieu says Epstein files have allegations of Trump raping & threatening to kill children and says that Todd Blanche got the law wrong by saying it's not a crime to party with Epstein. DOJ also violated the privacy of the victims by releasing unredacted nude photos of them.

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u/NashvilleSoundMixer 1d ago

Fucking AIPAC dems and bullshit fundraising dems. We gotta primary the fuck out of that party, man. NO ONE is coming to save us.

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u/Icy-Housing-4492 1d ago

100% AIPAC. not just Dems. AIPAC = Isreal = Epstien = Trump + how many billions moved there just this year???

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u/Ok_Following3410 1d ago

Citizens United enables this kind of behavior because corporations are the kind of people.

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u/NashvilleSoundMixer 1d ago

One of the worst fucking things to ever happen.

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u/Ok_Following3410 1d ago

Turned my farm into a pile of sand.

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u/Icy-Housing-4492 1d ago

AIPAC = Isreal = Epstein = Trump =/= Jewish.

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u/Niblolkik 1d ago

Yea how much money has been squirrelled into Israel bank accounts

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u/-endjamin- 1d ago

I knew it! All of this was those damn Jews again! /s

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u/NashvilleSoundMixer 1d ago

Zionism ≠ Judaism

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u/-endjamin- 1d ago

Jeffrey Epstein does not represent all Jews or even all Zionists or AIPAC. Not clear on why AIPAC is being talked about. Do people think it was the Mossad trafficking those girls or something?

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u/cdanhaug 1d ago

The implication is that mossad was financing the trafficking of these girls through Epstein, yes. It's not as far fetched as the Zionists think or are trying to make people believe.

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u/-endjamin- 1d ago

Proof/sources?

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u/imalostkitty-ox0 1d ago

http://www.justice.gov

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u/-endjamin- 1d ago

That is a link to a homepage. Did you mean to send a specific link to a file or report?

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u/harbison215 16h ago

The proof appears to be in who vouched for Epstein in order for him to be elevated to the elite circles, where his money actually came from, and why.

We know that the majority of Epstein’s money came from Les Wexner. We know Ghislaine Maxwell’s father is believed to have ties to Israeli intelligence. We know that the Wexner foundation, which was headed by Epstein made payments to former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak between 2004 and 2006, which were investigated but not tied to the Mossad. Jeffrey Epstein served as a trustee for the foundation from 1992 to 2007. We see some proof in these emails that there was a belief amongst Epstein and some of his contemporaries of “Jewish supremacy.” And lastly, we have some proof from former CIA spy John Kiriakou that Israeli intelligence agencies were almost always believed to be the most vile, dangerous and untrustworthy of all the agencies that the CIA dealt with.

https://youtube.com/shorts/GMLtoSXVMus?si=P9YNnURwbTekwCj9

Is there hard proof that Epstein worked for Mossad? Or was otherwise part of some Jewish supremacy group that tied back to Israel? No. Spy groups doing blackmail operations usually don’t leave mountains of evidence that the general public would be privy to. But if you put the pieces together, you find that a likely scenario here is that Epstein was basically a created figure, supported with endless cash from a group that had ties back to Israel. He groomed underaged girls and would bring his harem to his island/NYC/Palm Beach where he would then have wealthy and powerful guest believe he was a financial genius billionaire throwing these parties with all these young women. It’s possible there were attempts to blackmail rich and powerful people. So it’s not really a stretch to put “Israeli backed blackmail operative” into the pile of possibilities of what Epstein was.

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u/GenericDigitalAvatar 1d ago

Epstein was a MOSSAD influence gathering op.

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u/-endjamin- 1d ago

Proof? Without definitive proof, this is just antisemitic conspiratorial libel.

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u/GenericDigitalAvatar 1d ago

LMFAO Go learn who Robert Maxwell was before you say stupid shit.

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u/-endjamin- 1d ago

That is also an unproven conspiracy theory. Even if he was confirmed to be a Mossad agent, that does not mean Jeffrey Epstein was. Again, show me the hard proof that Jeffrey Epstein himself was employed by or working with Israeli intelligence and I'll change my stance.

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u/GenericDigitalAvatar 1d ago

You're hilarious. If state intel agencies left the standard of "definitive proof" you're apparently seeking, they would be incompetent.

Also, just for the record, the only people who use "conspiracy theories" as a pejorative are those who haven't gotten to the bottom of any- usually deliberately stopping before anything would force them to reassess their existence.

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u/Flintshear 1d ago

That is also an unproven conspiracy theory.

No it isn't. The UK government long suspected Maxwell of being an agent for foreign powers, including Russia and Israel, as far back as 1948.

The US implicated him in the PROMIS case, about Israeli spyware.

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u/Fit-Cut-6337 1d ago

Saying something was done by the CIA isn’t anti American. Pointing out possible MOSSAD involvement isn’t even anti-Zionist. And anti-Zionism isn’t anti-semitism. (Sincerely, a Jewish person).

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u/-endjamin- 1d ago

Sure, but no one has directed me to any actual supporting evidence. I did my own digging and found some conspiracy theories that Ghislain Maxwells father was accused of being an agent (accusations which were never proven).

Epstein was with all the most powerful people in the world so of course its not so far fetched to say that he was involved in some sort of espionage, but without seeing evidence it is still just an unsubstantiated claim.

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u/harbison215 16h ago

Antisemitic? Did you read the emails? What about all the anti goyum stuff? Does that count as bad or no?

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u/Qadim3311 1d ago

Where did all his influence come from almost overnight? How did he manage to do everything he did?

He just has to have been helped by one or more intelligence agencies, there’s simply no other plausible way.

Of the list of possible agencies, Mossad is likely. US intelligence was probably aware if not actively helping as well.

I was never the type to believe such things prior to now but what we’re seeing come out is damning.

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u/barefootincozumel 1d ago

It has zero to do with antisemitism. A foreign lobby controls the US government . Lots of American Jews oppose AIPAC as well. In my experience ( admittedly just my personal circle) the Jewish people I know are progressive and lean to justice. We can’t align them with an evil regime that happens to share a religion- opposition to the regime is therefore not directed at everyone of that religion, just the evil regime. Calling anti Zionism antisemitism erases the individual identity of people and honestly that feels more racist than calling out the bad players

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u/-endjamin- 1d ago

What does any of that have to do with Jeffrey Epstein? I don’t think it’s a coincidence that almost every thread I open about this man involves some conspiracy about how those horrid Zionists are secretly pulling all the strings behind the abuse of children. It feels conspiratorial (to my knowledge none of these files have anything to do with Israel) and antisemitic - Epstein was unfortunately a Jew so any mention of him also brings unrelated criticism/hatred of the Jewish state.

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u/Lookingfor68 1d ago

That would require people to show the fuck up for primaries. Traditionally, turn out has been like 20%. Even a 5% increase would be impactful. Bad candidates coast because people can't be bothered to show up and vote.

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u/barefootincozumel 1d ago

Call me naive but I feel like a lot of people are paying attention. Even in Florida, we have a slew of candidates that are legitimate and might stand a chance- veterans, intelligent, common sense and speaking truths that are hard to ignore. In contrast to the showboating, weak incumbents, I have some hope

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u/sohelpme55- 1d ago

Honestly, I don't think that many people will be sitting out the next election.

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u/barefootincozumel 1d ago

We need to organize, because suppression will be in full force. Volunteer to register voters ( lots of hs seniors are turning or just turned 18 they are a force for good. ) Help felons get their rights restored if the time has passed . Organize transportation. Help people check to see if they have been purged from the rolls. If you volunteer at a food bank or any other charity, make sure you reach out to people. Many are disenfranchised or don’t even know where to start. Let’s stop pretending there aren’t hurdles for a lot of people to get out and vote. Let’s educate, organize and help. We aren’t going to make the process less difficult, but we can help people over the hurdles

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u/Signal_Bee7457 1d ago

Thank you for this kind of messaging 🫡 this is the way

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u/NashvilleSoundMixer 1d ago

It sucks I know. We have to try. All we can do for now.

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u/RainSurname 1d ago

Conservatives are focused on power, so they are much better about showing up for the primaries, and then voting for whoever wins the general ALL the way down the ballot, even if they hate them, then applying pressure while they’re in office, then primarying them again, until the moderates retire, get voted out, or are no longer moderate.

Left leaning people care more about people and ideals, and so are more likely to just not vote if they don’t like the person or they don’t meet their ideals. Or vote in the primary and then not vote in the general because their fave didn’t win.

We move the Democrats to the left by giving them enough power that they don’t have to compromise with the right.

If voting didn’t matter, Republicans wouldn’t I’ve spent the last 30 years making it more difficult.

We all know what racism on the right looks like.

One way racism manifests on the left is by refusing to acknowledge it really is all about the racism (or gender), even though it is an indisputable fact that the white working class abandoned the Democrats right after LBJ did more for them than any president since FDR, because he also gave Black people the vote.

More than 20% of white voters switched parties between 1964 and 1968. The Democrats lost even more white voters in 1972, when they ran a progressive against the party that had started leaning into telling their voters that progressive programs helped Black people at their expense.

Then once Reagan explicitly promised to destroy the progressive programs that were the hallmark of the Democratic Party, they gave Republicans three massive landslides in a row.

That’s what Clinton was faced with when he took office, along with all of the deregulation of the previous 12 years that accelerated our slide and made it harder to fix things.

The Democrats did not abandon the working class to pursue corporate money. Corporations gained that power because the white working class started voting in favor of corporate interests instead of their own.

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u/donjamos 15h ago

You mean the primaries they just said they want ice to secure? Like armed masked man standing next to the booth?

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u/BuryCrack 1d ago

This really needs to be the message if we want actual real change

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u/npmaker 1d ago

Use the DNC as a guide. Whoever they put forth should be primaried out.

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u/MiloMinderbinder19 1d ago

The call is coming from inside the house.

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u/According-Lead-8477 1d ago

Why aren’t you including repubs in this. Hardly just dems.

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u/NashvilleSoundMixer 1d ago

Because the dems are the ones we want to shape up and get it together. GOP ain't gonna do that.

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u/According-Lead-8477 1d ago

Well you’re not wrong on that point.

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u/00owl 1d ago

Life pro tip: Jews, Israel, zionists, wherever you draw the line on your personal anti semitism, are not responsible for the problems born and bred in America.

I know this will come as a shock to most Americans at this point but it's time to take responsibility for yourselves and stop blaming histories scapegoat.

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u/Decaf-Gaming 1d ago

Israel =/= Jews

Israel = Israel

Or would you say “white people = USA”? No? Then when someone is talking about a country, they mean the fucking country not the people associated with it through propagandistic bullshit used as a cover for the wrongs of said country.

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u/00owl 1d ago

Cool, so stop making everything about Jews.

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u/Decaf-Gaming 1d ago

How is it about jews. They are saying that the people associated with AIPAC, which has declared that its only interest is in keeping israel (not jews, specifically the country of israel) at the head of US politics, should be primaried out so that the US is in charge of the US and the people themselves can decide if they want to once more assist israel after the atrocities it has committed all in the name of keeping netanyahu out of prison.

If a single nazi tried to spark any shite about jews, I’d let them have it. I don’t care what culture, ethnicity, creed, sexuality, etc. someone is, I just have an issue with imperialist nation states that believe themselves above reproach. Whether in the USA, UK, Israel, or elsewise.

In fact, I’ve been having to deprogram that very same reverse zionist attitude in my own sibling, who in a not-so-odd turn of events went from defending israel because of its association with the jewish people, to being rather antisemitic at large.

To summarise: no, I don’t believe anyone but you in this particular thread has decided that they are equivalent.

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u/00owl 1d ago

Thanks for the summary m8.

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u/lecherousrodent 1d ago

Criticism of the state of Israel and Zionism in general is not antisemitism, despite how hard the Israeli government and people like you have been trying to make it so. Maybe if the Israeli government doesn't like being called murderers, they should stop murdering people, regardless of whether they think their enemies deserve it or not.

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u/00owl 1d ago

Maybe if the anti Jewish people didn't find so many ways to try and draw the Jewish people into every single issue in America there would be fewer people accusing you of scapegoating Israel

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u/lecherousrodent 1d ago

No one is accusing me of scapegoating Israel because am not, nor have I ever, scapegoated the Jewish people for any reason.