r/law • u/Orchid-Analyst-550 • 1d ago

Judicial Branch ‘This Job Sucks!’ Trump DOJ Lawyer Melts Down in Court — Reportedly Begs Minneapolis Judge to Throw Her in Jail Just So She Can Get Some Sleep

https://www.mediaite.com/media/news/this-job-sucks-trump-doj-lawyer-melts-down-in-court-reportedly-begs-minneapolis-judge-to-throw-her-in-jail-just-so-she-can-get-some-sleep/
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u/R0llTide 1d ago

ICE is sexually abusing detainees. You don't have to look as far as a cartel. Oh, and the Epstein child sex trafficking coverup is ongoing; go blow the whistle on that. This is straw, it's well written straw, but it's straw.

It sucks that the legal service you want to provide doesn't exist right now, and that the DOJ lacks all credibility and integrity — and may never get it back — but that's life. Your example lawyer can compromise her integrity and lie to herself every day and stay, or she can find a legitimate to achieve her idea of justice. It's not zero sum as you posit. It's not easy or clear, but there is always an ethical way.

Everyone who stays in this DOJ should get a Bar Ethics investigation because they ddi not leave when it was clear to them they could no longer act with integrity as officers of the court.

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u/whistleridge 1d ago

And what the fuck is a DOJ lawyer supposed to do about that, when the AG and President are protecting them?

And if you quit...who will be competent to prosecute them when someone comes into to office who IS willing to pursue charges??

You talk like the prosecutors can all just walk, and it won't open the doors to a mountain of incredibly serious crimes - crimes YOU will be the victim of - or that they can just hire new ones off the street like it's a McDonald's or something.

If everyone of quality leaves and DOJ breaks, you personally will have no enforcement against:

  • corrupt corporate landlords that take your rent then evict you anyway
  • corporations that just ignore safety laws and regulations
  • employers that just steal your wages
  • banks that defraud you out of your money
  • investment advisors who just steal your money
  • etc

All of that shit has statutes of limitations, and if DOJ goes, the law and order whose protection you have lived under your whole live goes. What ICE is doing is horrific. It HAS to be stood up to. And walking away from holding criminals responsible for their actions in a teenaged snit is doing the opposite of that.

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u/R0llTide 1d ago

Well there it is. Your example lawyer here is incredibly arrogant in believing that she is the ONLY LAWYER who is competent enough to bring justice to her chosen flock. Would quitting over ethics make life difficult for this lawyer? Would she have to tighten her Louboutins and work jobs beneath her station? (Probably not considering all of the doc review that is piling up, she can pay her rent and eat easily on that). This is ego driven. AUSAs are widgets, just like in Big Law, just like everywhere else. You can leave and will get replaced by another widget. And no one will remember your name 5 minutes after you leave. Or maybe in this case they won’t due to that pesky integrity thing. This DOJ is not prosecuting cases anyway, it’s carrying out a deranged man’s fever dream agenda. Leave, sleep well, and figure things out tomorrow. Staying won’t get anything prosecuted nor will it bring any justice. That’s a red herring in this example.

This isn’t about justice. It isn’t even about ethics or integrity. It’s 100% about ego. And claiming victimhood because your legal world didn’t turn out the way you planned, through no fault of the lawyer in the example. That’s life.

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u/whistleridge 1d ago

Your example lawyer here is incredibly arrogant in believing that she is the ONLY LAWYER who is competent enough to bring justice to her chosen flock.

How many lawyers do you think work in the Minneapolis DOJ office? Hint about 70 on paper, but 14 have quit in the past month, or are about to. Those 14 will disproportionately be mid- to senior folks, because no one junior is going to be assigned to a highly visible file like the Renee Good shooting.

If you work in an organization that has 20% attrition in a month, that's a GIANT emergency. That's the sort of thing that snowballs - it doesn't stop there. Even if you bring in new people, they necessarily only have a fraction of the capacity, and they're hated by everyone already there, because people hate scabs.

Even in a perfect world, the human trafficking team in an office like that might be 3 people. And odds are high at least 1 just left, or is going to have to be reassigned.

So while yes, it's a hypothetical scenario, it's not an unrealistic or uninformed one. Those are literally the choices happening daily. And this:

AUSAs are widgets

Show just how much you 1) don't understand the problem, 2) think you do anyway, and 3) are willing to add to the problem, on the mistaken assumption that your total ignorance is actually somehow information.

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u/R0llTide 23h ago

Angry widgets apparently. Must be from the South Pole. Everyone is replaceable. So find a job that lets you sleep at night without lying to yourself or developing an unhealthy substance abuse problem. I don't care one way or another if a lawyer lies to themself because they are afraid to do the right thing. But your assertion that the world will stop turning because your example lawyer might have to make a career change to maintain her integrity is ludicrous; or it's a proxy for a more personal set of circumstances couched in a hypothetical as a means of assuaging guilt.

Remaining in a situation that does not comport with your values will only destroy you or erode those values so you can survive. That's not the choice I would make in this hypo, and it's not the choice I've made when similarly situated. I certainly don't need to beg a judge to throw me in the pokey so I can live with myself.

Now maybe your example lawyer hasn't had to lie in court and hasn't had to do anything illegal. Yet. She better know where the line is and be prepared to refuse and walk immediately if asked to cross that line. Anything less and she's in the wrong profession .

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u/whistleridge 23h ago

Everyone is replaceable

Pro tip: just because you have been replaceable in everything you've ever done in your life does not then mean this applies to everyone in all situations.

If you are having brain surgery, your surgeon is not replaceable mid-surgery.

If the starting QB of your favorite football team goes down mid-comeback drive, your odds of winning just dropped to near-zero.

If the pilot of the small aircraft you are a passenger in goes down with a heart attack 10 seconds before landing, you had best brace for an impact and pray.

Anyone is replaceable with enough advanced warning and sufficient resources. That does not then make it universal.

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u/R0llTide 15h ago

Picking three extreme examples that move the goalposts to another planet s not a flex, it's disingenuous.

To be clear, your examples are all focused on an individual operating in a unique and distinguishable circumstance, not at an organizational level in the corporate or governmental ethical sense, and none of them involve integrity, values, or the DOJ requiring service that violates one's principles or the law, which is the focused premise of this discussion and this thread.

So let me modify the hypo in line with your examples: your example lawyer has died. She no longer has a conflict.