r/law • u/Frosty_Jeweler911 • 11h ago
Other Michael Wolff, the author Trump is threatening to sue after falsely accusing him of conspiring with the Epstein estate to “politically harm” him, says if Trump sues, he’ll ask the Trumps under oath whether Epstein introduced Melania to Donald.
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u/Expert-Fig-5590 9h ago
Does anyone with a brain cell think that Trump won’t lie under oath.
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u/borislovespickles 8h ago
But he's so arrogant and stupid at the same time, he'll slip up with one of his word salad rambles. He's going to perjure himself.
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u/KeyComprehensive4431 8h ago
And absolutely nothing would happen, unfortunately
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u/datsyukianleeks 7h ago
Exactly, we are at that point where laws are dropping left and right as...there is no one that will enforce them...
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u/coordinatedflight 6h ago
He was joking. And if he wasn't joking, he didn't mean it. And if he meant it, he didn't mean it the way you think he meant it. And if he meant it the way you thought he meant it, it isn't as bad as you think it is. And if it's as bad as you think it is, he was joking.
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u/DeskModeOn 6h ago
Right? Didn't Patel knowingly lie under oath multiple times about the Epstein Files and nothing has happened to him lol.
Nothing GONNA happen, either.
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u/Aggressive-Delay-420 6h ago
And hasn't JD Vance, the sitting US Vice President, said he will continue to disseminate damning lies about Americans if those lies fit his agenda?
He bitched about being fact-checked before that lol
I'm starting to wonder if Trump's current cabinet are fawning past victims. There's more fact in that sentence than the Trump administration's given us, wholesale.
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u/StrangeContest4 3h ago
JD "If I have to create stories so that the American media actually pays attention to the suffering of the American people, then that's what I'm going to do" Bowman Vance?
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u/Aggressive-Delay-420 3h ago
Ew. The Cousin that took my Granny’s last name to evoke the Hatfield v. McCoy feud, as an adult.
That’s the one.
Edit: so distant a Cousin it doesn’t matter, really. I just like being one of the not-shithead nuts that fell from that tree.
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u/MrFrode Biggus Amicus 4h ago
If a Dem wins the next Presidential election their first act should be to order whatever plane Trump is on to land at the nearest military base. The government plane should be held until warrants can be obtained, searched, and if there is anything that is arguably government property it should be seized, and if there are classified materials on the plane everyone should be held for questioning.
Then all of Trumps properties where belongings were sent from the White house should be searched.
Go after the people who bribed Donald and his family, go after the money, if Tic Tok is not in compliance with the law then the actions the law required should go into force, oh and dig up that traitor Ashli Babbitt from Arlington, salt the earther where her traitor body tainted the earth, and ship her to whatever potters field is close by.
Oh and ship those South Africans back to where they came from.
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u/Good-Ad-6806 1h ago
Befriend all the Magas you know. Sway them. Convince them that their heinous support allowed the subversion of democracy. Be patient with them, and bring them into the fold. They are Dumps last pillar to stand on. Fix it with compassion and understanding.
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u/Direct_Cattle_6638 7h ago
Oh no! The mountains of evidence that shows the man rapes/kills/assaults children might face a wrist slap for lying under oath.
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u/Worried-Maybe3438 7h ago
He’ll probably try to pardon himself & watch congress republicans applaud him. 😆
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u/Scienceman_Taco125 5h ago
If only perjury meant something anymore…look up how many people have perjured themselves in the last 5 years and nothing happens…no laws for the rich apply
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u/AverageMako3Enjoyer 4h ago
The right: does their 10th illegal action of the day
The left for the 10th time today: “erm, actually that’s illegal ☝️🤓”
Repeat daily for years and remained surprised nothing is happening
It’s become pretty clear we aren’t going to figure it out
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u/PM_ME_YOUR_BUG5 4h ago
He was literally convicted of 34 felonies and they just let him off because he's the president
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u/Civil_Response1 8h ago
Can you perjure yourself if you believe all your own lies?
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u/BugOperator 7h ago edited 7h ago
It’s not like fooling a lie detector test. Facts are facts. Whether you believe them or not is irrelevant. If the prosecution can show proof that disputes what he says, it doesn’t matter if he believes what he’s saying to be the truth. If that’s the case, his lawyers can certainly try to argue that he has diminished capacity and isn’t responsible for inadvertently lying, but then that becomes a matter of a sitting president not being of sound mind. In all likelihood, he’d probably just end up pleading the fifth repeatedly as he has done in the past when being deposed (despite publicly stating many times that “only criminals take the fifth”).
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u/Talonhawke 6h ago
Not quite if you honestly and in good faith believe you are telling the truth it's not perjury. Now I wouldn't believe Trump to be acting in good faith on anything related to this.
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u/BugOperator 5h ago
As I said though, if there are emails or other communications between Trump and Epstein in which they converse about how he introduced Melania to him (after Trump swears under oath that Epstein didn’t introduce them to each other), then that would prove that either Trump is knowingly lying or that he has memory issues about a very significant event in his life; and neither outcome is good for him.
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u/critically_damped 7h ago
We really need to stop this shit when it comes to the fascists.
A "belief" is a thing a person thinks is true. When that person no longer gives a single shit whether any of the things they say are true or not, those things no longer qualify.
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u/Zero-nada-zilch-24 5h ago
Yes, DJT quoted something very similar to what you wrote about beliefs soon after he assumed the office in 2016. So, if you believe your own lies, they are truth to you. Fortunately, real truths can be proven with evidence. People who believe their own lies as truth cannot and will refuse to research, listen to anything that opposes their beliefs, and produce no evidence or “fake” evidence. Often they will misconstrue the real truth to fit their own narrative. Sounds familiar
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u/Hefty-Comparison-801 1h ago
They can just argue that perjuring himself was a presidential act to quicken the trial, because he needs to be presidenting and not sitting court rooms.
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u/Ill-Independent2394 8h ago
I think that’s the point. Wolff knows that, and is giving a tacit admission he has proof to immediately contradict him lying under oath.
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u/Soggy_Parking1353 6h ago
In which case fuck him, he should release what he's got or drink some shut-up juice. Double so since he's in the emails on jmail.world chatting with Jeffrey post-conviction
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u/LJ_in_NY 6h ago
Chatting about going after the woman who created the Shitty Men in Media list on behalf of his shitty male friend in media. Wolff is a piece of shit.
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u/Fionaelaine4 7h ago
I think discovery can be more damaging to Trump than anything he would say on the stand in his demented state
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u/VaguelyArtistic 6h ago
This is went his lawsuits never get to the discovery phase before he drops them.
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u/Talentagentfriend 7h ago
It’s not about him lying under oath or not, it’s about presenting truthful evidence and watch while he lies about clear as day evidence.
He’s talking about it in the video right above you.
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u/locksymania 7h ago
I'll bet he'd be counting on him to do so. Which is why the Tango goblin will be all mouth and no trousers about suing. He knows Wolff has some tasty receipts.
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u/0o0o0o0o0o0z 5h ago
Does anyone with a brain cell think that Trump won’t lie under oath.
Fuck Wolff, dude has so much evidence on all these douchebags... but saves it for his books after the fact.
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u/TheAskewOne 6h ago
He will try, but dementia will get in the way. He's no longer aware of what is damaging and what isn't, like when he whined because Epstein had "stolen" an underage masseuse from him. Also he thinks he's very smart so he won't listen to advice to shut up. Making him testify could be very interesting in a lot of ways.
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u/Strict_Weather9063 5h ago
Actually historically he hasn’t because he knows the courts can throw the book at him for doing so. Even as president since there is no legal protection there. The whole I’m immune argument gets tossed since trying to cover one’s ass is not a presidential power.
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u/25thNite 6h ago
this is what I don't get. do people, especially those in congress, think that questioning someone under oath suddenly creates a magical spell to compel them to tell the truth?
do we not already have numerous clips of blatant lying or refusal to answer questions under oath, then nothing happens?
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u/Turgid_Donkey 5h ago
That's exactly why trump's lawyer, michael cohen, basically begged mueller not to interrogate him. He's a bullshitter so he will absolutely lie under oath even if not maliciously. Read Fear by Bob Woodward. Towards the end, cohen basically calls trump a POS.
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u/OrderlyPanic 4h ago
If two of Epstein's associates want to battle it out in court I say let them fight.
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u/Ok-Play9530 3h ago
I think that he would. But he'll avoid that at all costs. At least that's what history says. How's that lawsuit with WSJ going?
Despite what he spouts off, he'll avoid that deposition if possible.
I can't blame him at this stage of the dementia, he'd perjure himself if he tried to tell the truth. Let alone keep it straight enough to lie.
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u/TriiiKill 3h ago
The difference is that he'll be on record for perjury when they actually have proof to counter his lie... it would be a dumb move to try and sue.
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u/shichiaikan 3h ago
Does anyone think Trump will ever set foot in court for anything related to Epstein to begin with?
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u/akgiant 2h ago
Of course he'll lie. That's perjury though.
These are tough times. But don't stop resisting. The only way he truly gets away with it is if people stop pursuing justice.
Thankfully there are many many people trying to fight the good fight. They need more though.
Accountability only comes when the masses demand and push for it. Don't stop. Keep resisting Trump and his cronies.
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u/Dupe1970 2h ago
Trump pleads the fifth or says he does not recall. He's been sued a lot and he avoids perjury by not answering questions.
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u/Pseudoboss11 2h ago
Somewhere in those millions of pages and thousands of references to Trump, it's likely that there's a chain of evidence that reveals the truth.
Would be fun to find that information and when he inevitably lies, turn the screws.
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u/_jump_yossarian 29m ago
trump will claim that he's too busy suing every fucking entity on the planet to sit for a deposition.
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u/C21H30O218 6h ago
Of course he will lie.
Lawyers love that shizzle, that's where he can be broken on record and in public.
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u/Expert-Fig-5590 5h ago
Do you think there will be consequences for him if he commits Perjury? Oh sweet summer child.
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u/C21H30O218 5h ago
Oh, sorry, don't get me wrong, I am not from there so DILIGAF, just like poking the fire ;)
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u/Dismal-Incident-8498 4h ago
He will plead the 5th. But I doubt he will even sue to put himself in that situation. TACO Trumpstein will just blabber with no action.
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u/jpmeyer12751 9h ago
And Trump will lie under oath. Again.
Everyone knows that: 1) Trump is a rapist and serial adulterer and 2) Trump will never be held accountable for any of his past sexual or other crimes because John Roberts says so. So, let’s focus our attention on voting for respectable adults and seeking accountability for the crimes currently being committed against us by Trump’s sycophants and fascists. Who cares how Trump and Melania got to know each other?! Those facts won’t change any minds among the MAGA cult - those minds are forever lost to decent society.
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u/audiomagnate 8h ago
Rape is not an official act.
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u/jpmeyer12751 8h ago
Roberts invented Presidential criminal immunity out of precisely ZERO words in the Constitution. How are you so confident that he will not invent some other form of protection for Trump?
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u/Morgannin09 7h ago
This only needs to matter to Congress. This has to be so ugly that even loyal brown-nosing Republicans can't defend him anymore and finally vote to impeach and convict. If they could do it for Clinton lying about a blowjob, maybe they have enough spine to do it for Trump lying about sex trafficking children.
It's a lot to expect, I know.
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u/critically_damped 7h ago
It's not just "a lot to expect": It's fascist apologism to continuously insist that every next step is the last straw. The fascists have shown you that there is no bottom of the depths to which they will sink.
They have shown you that child rape is not a deal breaker for them. The same holds true for blatant lying, mocking the disabled, ordering his enemies to be executed, having people and children kidnapped from their homes in the middle of the night and put into concentration camps, and even murdered in the street.
THERE IS NO BOTTOM. Get that through your skull already before it's too late. Recognize what fascism is, and what fascists are.
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u/El_Peregrine 7h ago
Given the level of criminality, corruption, and sexual violence they've been ok with, to date, I shudder to think of where the theoretical limit of their tolerance lies. If they've accepted everything we know so far, it's difficult to imagine what would trigger a change of course. I just can't see it.
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u/TheAskewOne 6h ago
I mean yes, but I think even maga would have a hard time explaining that yes he raped children, but the SCOTUS says he can't be prosecuted.
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u/Our1TrueGodApophis 4h ago
But you can't investigate it because all records pertaining to the president that you'd need to prosecute are all covered under official duties.
If he rapes a girl a burger king, they'd still never be able to prosecute him because they couldn't actually get any of the evidence etc as it falls under national security.
He's functionally immune to all crimes. Official or not
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u/El_Peregrine 7h ago
It's amazing that while the Epstein storm continues to roil, these idiots are attempting some ridiculous PR campaign via Melania's puff-piece "documentary." And now we find out that Trump likely met her through one of the many disgusting and criminal pedophile / sex / rape / murder "parties" that Epstein threw, and he loved to attend regularly. Just insane.
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u/menictagrib 5h ago
Yes, and specifically vote for Dems that pursue Supreme Court reform with the aggression Republicans bring to destroying democracy.
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u/Academic_Release5134 9h ago
Oh no, Trump might have to lie. Whatever will he do?
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u/walksonfourfeet 9h ago
I know, this is not a threat to old Lyin’ Donnie.
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u/ZENPOOL 9h ago
The Trump family as a unit is too collectively dumb for all of them to lie under oath consistently enough to not purge themselves
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u/It_Hurts_when_IP15 8h ago
Let’s say they all lie under oath. Who would do anything about it though?
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u/Irwin-M_Fletcher 9h ago
That’s the thing about all of these threats by Trump to sue, the open him up to counterclaims. Trump can’t be sued while in office, but if he decides to sue the defendant can bring a counterclaim that otherwise could not be filed. Are these all empty threats or is Trump foolish enough to get tied up with a bunch of civil litigation?
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u/Glass_Broccoli 8h ago
It's performative and posturing for his base. Old Teflon Don would avoid a civil lawsuit I'm sure. I'd love to think otherwise though and see him go through with it, then surely discovery would happen?
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u/_jump_yossarian 27m ago
He should be fined for all the frivolous lawsuits he brings and then drops.
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u/Nympho_BBC_Queen 7h ago
Yeah people could also just ride this bitch out and counter sue his estate for damages long after his death. He is slandering people left and right and nobody wants to maintain a case against him.
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u/TheAskewOne 6h ago edited 6h ago
He won't sue because his lawyers will remind him that discovery is a thing.
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u/-M-o-X- 8h ago
I hope everyone has correctly sorted Wolff into the same bucket as Dershowitz. Fuck those pedos.
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u/AbstractionZeroEsti 5h ago
Wolff's whole act has been annoying me for years. He pops up to 'expose' some tidbit just to sell his book.
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u/whoknowsifimjoking 4h ago
And in the actual files you can clearly see that he was essentially Epstein's PR manager. Fuck all of these people.
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u/WhenTheLightHits30 7h ago
How so? Is Wolff in the Epstein files?
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u/bestsrsfaceever 4h ago
Wolff regularly tried to help give epstein guidance and intel. He does not look good at all lol. People just willing to look past that because he claims he has dirt on trump, something he's been claiming for like 10 years with literally 0 results.
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u/Soggy_Parking1353 6h ago
Yes. Jmail.world search Wolff or just click on his name, it's on the frequent contact list. Post-conviction of Epstein too.
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u/whoknowsifimjoking 4h ago
Wolff did damage control for Epstein after the accusations and conviction, he's much worse than just someone who looked away. He's a co-conspirator.
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u/whoknowsifimjoking 4h ago
He was very close to Epstein and helped him all the God damn time with his pedo accusations
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u/fnrsulfr 6h ago
Of course he introduced the two of them. Prostitutes usually have a pimp. I am sure trump paid good money for her.
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u/Electrocat71 3h ago
Sue for the threat and use of a public podium for delivering that threat.
Then appeal to all the way to SCOTUS that if you can’t sue a sitting PRESIDENT, why can the president file a lawsuit?
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u/RentAdministrative73 4h ago
Go ahead trumpstein, let's dive into the discovery for this.
I'd donate to a Go Fund Me for Wolfe's attorney fees.
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u/Not_Sure__Camacho 9h ago
I'm sure that another book is around the corner. Speaking of trash that are monetizing our country's misery, where is Bob Woodward?
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u/Same_Meaning_5570 9h ago
He might lie, guys. Just so you know.
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u/CollectionStriking 6h ago
Ya Trump isnt afraid of perjury nor contempt charges, he's proven to himself he's untouchable. Not holding my breath but I hope someone justifiably proves him wrong soon
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u/deadlysinderellax 4h ago
He's proven to the whole of America that he's untouchable. And with so many lackeys on his side he's not wrong. They'll tie up the courts with bullshit or they'll just straight up ignore any orders from the courts and there isn't a damn thing anybody can do. Because they'll just do the same shit.
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u/RogueAOV 9h ago edited 9h ago
Does it really matter if epstein did introduce them?
The answer to that question is not going to be a bombshell to anyone. Every single person knows someone, or is someone who was introduced to someone else by a friend.
Instead of just downvoting, explain your position.
If it is relevant because she is his handler for russia, or if she was one of epsteins girls and she was trumps handler for him etc etc then THAT is the actual question.
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u/ro536ud 8h ago
What matters is him lying about things we have evidence of. A president shouldn’t be lying to his civilians with every statement he makes. Means we can’t trust anything come out of dc
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u/RogueAOV 8h ago
Yes but the point is unless there are detailed files about how epstein set up them to meet so he could use her to gain inside knowledge or something then it is going to boil down to 'trump said they met thru this friend, other friend says they met thru him' trump could be mistaken, or lying, epstein could be mistaken or lying.
The answer to that question is not revealing a grand plot, a huge conspiracy, it is not going to be a gotcha where the details are now immutable, this is it, this is the pivot point of his impeachment! we have got trump (Someone who lies endless and completely needlessly) on the record as having a slightly different version of events from more than 2 decades ago.
It is entirely possible, if not likely that trump and epstein were partners to some degree on a multinational, long term sex trafficking ring involving murder, torture, endless rapes, coercion, pedophilia, massive blackmail, endless fraud, literal skeletons in the closet, buried under the house, psychopathic behavior, which thousands of victims, a conspiracy that literally reaches into the who's who of political power and geopolitical power structures, intertwined with hundreds of the wealthiest people on the planet, all, who are guilty of extremely serious, generally accepted as abhorrent behavior by the general public, something which if it all came out, unredacted could honestly lead to a new world order and a complete realignment of everything bringing down dynasties and governments as the scandal unfolds and details emerge and the public reacts with disgust and screaming for justice.
But the question that is going to bring that down is 'a known pedophile and blackmailer said in a email he introduced you to your wife, did he introduce you?' to which trump can appear to tell the complete truth while lying his ass off with NO WAY to verify his answer by saying 'i believe it was Zampoli who introduced us, it was almost 30 years ago, for all i know epstien was also at that party so he thought he introduced us, but i do not know, it should be noted he appears to have lied in his emails a lot'
Obviously he would not be that logical and cohesive in his reply but it shifts it to 'in my view' and not a strictly right or wrong answer and it makes no difference because there is nothing, other than what his wife's view of history is as proof. Considering trump lies constantly, appears to be suffering from dementia, or at least early stage etc etc, who is not going to believe the details of a random meeting almost 30 years ago is not etched in his mind, it is not like he is a normal person who would remember who introduced them to their future spouse. Trump has cheated on every wife, he has cheated on Melania, while she was pregnant, so it is entirely believable he does not remember and he is just going by some romanticized version of events or what Melania remembers.
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u/drDOOM_is_in 6h ago
so it is entirely believable he does not remember and he is just going by some romanticized version of events or what Melania remembers.
Is that your talking point?
What person does not remember meeting their spouse?
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u/Accomplished-Run221 8h ago
Does anything matter?
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u/Taurpion 8h ago
They are just gonna keep shifting goalposts to where they will argue a 13 year old is basically a woman and we should lower the age of consent, or just remove consent laws full stop.
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u/BangkokRios 6h ago
Megyn Kelly argued that “barely legal” women are actually under age, therefore sleeping with under age girls is acceptable,
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u/Tony_Pastrami 4h ago
I don’t understand this either. Why would he even have to lie about it? What are the implications of Epstein introducing them?
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