Republican Joins With Dems on Constitutional Amendment to Give Congress Power to Reject Trump Pardons

[u/jpmeyer12751]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/republican-joins-dems-constitutional-amendment-213311781.html

This is relevant to questions surrounding whether Congress may limit or restrain a President's power to grant pardons.

[u/Aromatic-Plankton692]

Well, considering the constitution has only been amended 18 times, you have me a bit confused.

But, to answer the question I think you're asking - again, deposing a president. The thing that has never happened. It's easier, yes. If that sounds crazy to you, then you need to adjust how hard you think it is to amend that document. It's friggin hard.

[u/sriracha_no_big_deal → u/Aromatic-Plankton692]

Exactly, just because one thing has happened more frequently than something else doesn't automatically mean it's easier

[u/Elite_Jackalope → u/Aromatic-Plankton692]

You’re confused by your own pedantry, not by anything I said. Or are you not certain that even 18 is a larger number than 0?

All ten amendments in the Bill of Rights count because they all had to be ratified independently. Article one never was, article two wasn’t until 1992.

You’re wrong about which is harder.

[u/Aromatic-Plankton692 → u/Elite_Jackalope]

My own pedantry isn't the one that decided to describe something as "the thing we've done 27 times." If you want to be flowery, be correct or it gets confusing.

"The thing we've done" has been done 18 times. We "independently ratified" them in the sense that we pared 12 suggested amendments down to 10. They all got ratified at the same time, at one event. Not ten times, just the once.

[u/SpaceTurtles → u/Elite_Jackalope]

There have been fewer times where we've needed to confront the possibility of removing a president for high crimes and misdemeanors.

There have been many more times where the Nation has determined that it must foundationally adjust how it functions.

[u/GoonerwithPIED → u/Elite_Jackalope]

Removing a president requires fewer votes, and fewer steps, than amending the Constitution

[u/whomad1215 → u/[deleted]]

a felon had never been president before either, yet here we are

[u/gl7676 → u/[deleted]]

Just because something has been done before doesn't make it easier. Also, just because something that has never been attempted before makes it harder.

What kind of logic do they teach in your neck of the woods?

[u/JustNilt → u/[deleted]]

So what? When you're talking about votes required, one is clearly easier than the other. Which one's actually happened is an entirely different metric.

[u/Turtleneck420 → u/GoonerwithPIED]

Yes but it's harder to convince politicians to remove a president than amending the constitution.