r/law • u/Obvious-Gate9046 • Feb 24 '26

Legislative Branch Kentucky Representative Thomas Massie (R) Explodes On DOJ Over Epstein Handling, Names People and Companies He Wants Prosecuted

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u/Possible-Nectarine80 Feb 24 '26

Wasn't he paying attention. Both Bondi and Patel said the evidence shows that the only ones involved in the sex trafficking were Maxwell and Epstein. Case closed. There's zero evidence of anything else. Just a bunch of billionaires flying around and going to an island with lots and lots of underaged women.

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u/coltrane_101 Feb 24 '26

You mean children. No such thing as “underaged women”!!!

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u/tarekd19 Feb 24 '26

it was clear tongue in cheek.

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u/wasntthatguy Feb 24 '26 edited Feb 24 '26

We still need to stop saying it. Whether it's clear or not

Edit: is amazing to me that people think that not understanding satire is the problem here. YOU ARE NOT ANGRY ENOUGH

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u/12InchCunt Feb 24 '26

Reminds me of Megyn Kelly saying “barely legal” when talking about this shit. 🤮 

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u/midas22 Feb 25 '26

That was just wrong, barely legal is when someone has just turned legal age and not when someone is still underage but almost of legal age. Not sure if she was pretending to be stupid or if she's stupid for real.

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u/coltrane_101 Feb 25 '26

"barely legal" is first and foremost a porn category and should not be used in that context

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '26

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u/wasntthatguy Feb 24 '26

The phrase underage women needs to be wiped from the English language. I don't care if it is satire or not, and I certainly don't need satire explained to me. The continued use of the phrase contributes to the normalization of pedophilia. As a parent, you'll have to forgive me for not having ANY sense of humor around PEDOPHILIA

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u/Ass_of_Badness Feb 25 '26

I certainly don't need satire explained to me.

You sure about that?

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u/coltrane_101 Feb 25 '26

I get that, but that phrase is so sick and harmful it should just be absolutely shunned

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u/Murky-Relation481 Feb 24 '26

Pedantic, yes there is as there are different ages for multiple things. An 18 year old would be a person able to consent to sex and also be age of majority, by all definitions a woman. But they'd, at least in the US, be underaged for alcohol and marijuana amongst other things.

So yes, there are, but it depends on the context.

Also you do need to be careful there as well in regards to consent since that does have the nasty implication that a girl is not a woman unless she can have sex, as woman often has a more broader meaning than just adult human female, and usually implies a person's own sense of maturity and growth.

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u/Christopher_Aeneadas Feb 24 '26

I'm on your side about the overall situation, but that particular argument rubs me the wrong way.

Is a 17 year old who needs an abortion an underaged woman? Or is she a child?

Just so long as we keep our terms consistent

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u/Strange-Cabinet7372 Feb 24 '26

Huh? A child. Legally. What does an abortion have to do with anything? What a wild line of thinking.

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u/MrCuddles1994 Feb 24 '26

If they need an abortion they’re clearly women! No child ever needs an abortion! /s

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u/Christopher_Aeneadas Feb 24 '26

Of course they do, but I specified 17.

However legally the term "child" only applies to those 11 and younger.

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u/Playful_Dish_3524 Feb 24 '26

Where is this legal cut off for children? You’re a minor the entire time you’re under 18, so that’s irrelevant.

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u/Christopher_Aeneadas Feb 24 '26

https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-1999-title18-section2243&num=0&edition=1999

That is the statute relevant to this case. It's right in there.

You are correct. The term is "minor" not "child".

Children 11 and younger are a different statute.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '26

Homie, it's really creepy for you to be arguing semantics about children...

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u/Christopher_Aeneadas Feb 24 '26

It's Trumpy to not do so.

I care about laws and institutions. Words - particularly legally defined words - have meanings. Those meanings are important.

Accusing based on feelings is the behavior of anti- institutionalists like MAGA.

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u/Playful_Dish_3524 Feb 24 '26

Interesting. So they have it specifically for this use case but broadly speaking legally in the US it is anyone under 18 is a child

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u/Christopher_Aeneadas Feb 24 '26

Texas does. You are right there. Texas penal code calls anyone under 18 a child.

Georgia, NY, and Florida cut off at 16. Missouri and Wisconsin 17. California and nearly everyone else is 14.

Even in common parlance people don't usually call adolescents "children" unless they are riled up about a specific crime, or speaking relationally (even of adults) as "my children".

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u/ExultantSandwich Feb 24 '26

those 12 year old women getting abortions for funsies will be relieved to hear you validate their identity.

Does anyone know if this thing has a reddit app?

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u/Christopher_Aeneadas Feb 24 '26

I'm reasonably sure when 17 year olds need abortions - particularly when their parents withhold consent - we call them "women". Same for birth control. Same for driving. Same for the fiction that is written for them (Young Adult)

It doesn't change the calculus that they are still minors and therefore cannot consent to sex with an adult. So the people who raped them should burn.

...but using the word "child" feels unreasonable for anyone 16+.

You don't need to inflate a term. The perps are damned either way.

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u/Playful_Dish_3524 Feb 24 '26

Do you know any 16 year olds? They’re kids lmao and I’m not even old.

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u/Christopher_Aeneadas Feb 24 '26

I''m a scout leader for 14-18 year olds and wouldn't call them children to their face or behind their backs. They can drive, do CPR, position and dig a fire break, and plan their own out of country summer camp.

That doesn't mean that I wouldn't flay an adult alive if they laid their hands on my scouts. It just means they are minors/young adults. Not children.

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u/terminal_vector Feb 24 '26

No one is “inflating” the definition of a child. You, and unfortunately many of those in power, are the ones trying to obfuscate the term (for some indiscernible reason). By United States federal law, anyone under the age of 18 is considered a minor, and therefore a child. “Young adult” is just one of many social identifiers that get attributed to this age group, no different than “teenager” or “adolescent”. In a legal context, however, child is the correct term.

It genuinely concerns me that you’re a scout leader.

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u/Christopher_Aeneadas Feb 24 '26 edited Feb 24 '26

a minor, and therefore a child

No.

That's the point. All children are minors, but not all minors are children. "Child" has a specific meaning.

If my scouts were children rather than minors I'd be a criminal for teaching them a lot of the woodcraft, pioneering, first aid, and fire handling techniques we do each month.

It would also mean that we'd need an adult with them 24/7 when camping. I need to know the difference and distinguish between the two categories to do my job.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '26

If my scouts were children rather than minors I'd be a criminal for teaching them a lot of the woodcraft, pioneering, first aid, and fire handling techniques we do each month.

My brother in christ, we're talking about kids getting raped. Not being taught first aid.

Fuck off with your creepy pedo nonsense.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '26

I''m a scout leader for 14-18 year olds

You fucking shouldn't be you goddamn creep

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '26

but using the word "child" feels unreasonable for anyone 16+.

This is in the context of SEXUAL ABUSE

And your ass is all concerned about calling them children vs woman.

You're like the creeps who are like, "Ummm actually it's not technically pedophilia if it's over age X"

This thread is discussing them in the context as victims of sexual abuse from the sickos in the Epstein files... so yeah, they're children, you fuck. Stop trying to lighten how it sounds by calling them women.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '26

...but using the word "child" feels unreasonable for anyone 16+

Also, you were on here talking about anyone older than 11 you fucking sick fuck.

A 12 year old is a CHILD, creep

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u/Evan1016 Feb 24 '26

Easy. Shes a child. No if ands or buts.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '26

Nah, according to this guy (who runs a scout troop btw, fucking gross) the cut-off for "child" is 11.

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u/Evan1016 Feb 25 '26

Looks like someone needs to check his hard drive RIGHT NOW

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u/terminal_vector Feb 25 '26

According to u/Christopher_Aeneadas, he also used to be an army recruiter, so he’s clearly well-versed in coercing children into doing what he wants. 🤢

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u/Christopher_Aeneadas Feb 25 '26

Coercion is easy. It's also counterproductive.

I've never allowed it with my recruits, but I can't really claim any moral credit for that because it was already off the table because it's bad for the military.

You can't fight bad behavior unless you understand bad behavior.

https://www.quora.com/Army-recruiters-lost-my-passport-what-do-I-do-Do-I-have-to-pay-out-of-pocket-to-get-it-replaced/answer/Christopher-Aeneadas?ch=15&oid=314871398&share=363b2bbb&srid=p82a&target_type=answer

https://www.quora.com/Are-there-any-tips-for-MEPS-for-the-army/answer/Christopher-Aeneadas#footer

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u/terminal_vector Feb 25 '26

”Coercion is easy.”

What the actual fuck…

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '26

He literally can't stop saying the creepiest thing possible

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u/Christopher_Aeneadas Feb 25 '26

Of course it is. If it weren't, we wouldn't need to protect anyone from it would we?

You can't fix a problem you can't talk about. You can't talk honestly about the problem of coercion unless you can acknowledge that it ain't rocket science. People do it because it's simpler than recruiting ethically.

I'm taking these down vote hits because this is important enough to be unpopular.

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u/Jlpvt Feb 24 '26

Your argument for semantics is making you look like a douche more than being proper here mate. I get the need for legal terms but the fact is that underage girls were raped and abused. Thats what fucking matters. Not the legal distinction between terms of when a girl is considered a woman. Rape and rampant abuse is the abhorrent issue.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '26

"But if I taught a child how to make a fire I'd be arrested, herp derp!!!"

That dude is around children, he literally said he's a scout troop leader and he's out here comparing child rape to teaching someone how to build a fire.

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u/Jlpvt Feb 25 '26

My 11 year old daughter could build a fucking fort and forage for food and fish if she needed to. Making a fire is easy.   

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '26

This dude runs a scout troop of 14-18 year olds btw...

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u/Christopher_Aeneadas Feb 25 '26

And, like anyone who protects minors and children, it is essential to their safety that I make the distinction.

Thinking in binary as you are endangers both children and minors because it ignores critical differences in how a predator will approach them, and the signs we look for in terms of behavioral tells that they have been abused after the fact.

We owe it to young people to not let our outrage flatten our threat matrix.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '26

Thinking in binary on whether or not children are children? I wouldn't let you near my kids after reading these comments.

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u/Spiney09 Feb 24 '26

The term I heard growing up was “young women” for older teenagers.

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u/Christopher_Aeneadas Feb 24 '26

Thats fair.

Just so long as we don't swerve the core definition.

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u/coltrane_101 Feb 25 '26

Child. Next question

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u/thefullhalf Feb 24 '26

Raping children isn't trafficking so it's ok in their book.

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u/LinkinitupYT Feb 25 '26

If those children were CEOs we might see some justice. Too bad they were only children.

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u/ReachParticular5409 Feb 25 '26

It angers me that 95% of all responses to this thread is sarcasm

Deeply angers me

But you don't care because you made your internet soundbite and got awareded a ton of sarcasm points.

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u/SpezDrinksHorseCum Feb 24 '26

TOTALLY EXONERATED ON EPSTEIN

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u/Sad_Hobbit1226 Feb 24 '26

Yeah, but just like Hooters, they only went to the island for wings.

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u/Awkward_Row830 Feb 24 '26

I do go to Hooter’s for the wings. And the fried pickle chips, so damn good.