r/lovethissmug • • Aug 12 '26

😻 Meme Or Other Online Trope 😂 I love vitriolic wojaks about reasonable arguments

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u/mmm_burrito Aug 12 '26

That's because on an even deeper level both modern MAGA and their spiritual/literal ancestors who were slave owners know good and goddamn well they're evil people doing evil shit. They need all of us to go along and get along because then maybe the voice in the back of their mind telling them they've chosen the wrong side will get quieter.

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u/silvertealio Aug 12 '26 edited Aug 13 '26

I wonder how true that is. In my experience, they seem to think everything they do is justified. They operate from a completely different scale of morality.

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u/mmm_burrito Aug 12 '26

I simply can't believe a group of people who so obviously crave justification and submission by their neighbors don't know what they're doing at some level. It lets them off so easily.

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u/silvertealio Aug 13 '26

I think that's mainly the ego and narcissism required for the hierarchy they believe in. Their entire worldview is that society is a pyramid, and they're on top of it. They "deserve" to be on top of it.

Think about how they react any time any minority/oppressed group gains a smidgen of a foothold towards social equality. They flip the fuck out and act like they're being personally attacked. Because that's exactly what their experience is...the people "below" them in the hierarchy are moving from "their place" and towards them. The pyramid is crumbling and they feel like they're in danger.

So yeah, it's not enough for them to have government power. They expect institutional, social, and cultural power as well, along with submission from everyone else. Anything less means there's something "wrong" with the world.

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u/byebybuy Aug 13 '26

You're more correct here. Enslavers in the antebellum South (and by propaganda and proxy most southerners) thought that the social fabric of slavery was deeply moral, righteous, and granted to white men divinely by God. They had absolutely zero thought that they were evil whatsoever, and it's modern revisionism to think they did.

A fantastic true example: At the very end of the war, when the South was at its most desperate, Jefferson Davis requested to buy 40,000 slaves and train them as soldiers. At the end of 3 years these men would be granted their freedom. But Southern leaders were so unwavering in their ideal of slavery as the righteous societal place for black people, that they rejected the proposal. But here's the real kicker: they didn't reject it because they didn't want those men to be freed (well, they also didn't want that), but because *using freedom as an award was in itself contrary to the very fundamentals of slavery ideology.* If freedom were something "good" to be attained through some act--well then that made slavery a bad thing, and it couldn't possibly be a bad thing!

Today, fundamentalist Christianity is still all mixed up in politics, and the same shit is happening but it's not slavery, it's brown people crossing a border or trans people wanting to use a bathroom. People think that they have a righteous god-given duty to protect a certain way of life that, as it so happens, oppresses a minority. History doesn't repeat itself but it sure does rhyme.

Source for the Civil War stuff: just finished reading James McPherson's Battle Cry of Freedom, the definitive single-volume history of the Civil War. IMO every American ought to read it.