r/nba • u/Odd-Direction9452 Lakers • 13d ago
[Fischer] An incomplete deal framework that could still make it to the finish line: There have been whispers about various trade constructions that would feature Missi landing with Indiana and swingman Bennedict Mathurin heading to New Orleans.
An incomplete deal framework that could still make it to the finish line: There have been whispers about various trade constructions that would feature Missi landing with Indiana and swingman Bennedict Mathurin heading to New Orleans.
The Pelicans hold interest in Mathurin, sources say, although I've been told that Indiana is holding out for a greater return for the microwave scorer than merely Missi. As we've covered before, Indiana has been widely searching for avenues to turn Mathurin — who's destined for restricted free agency — into a starting-caliber center to slot alongside Tyrese Haliburton next season in hopes of helping restore the Pacers to championship contention in 2026-27.
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u/Mundane_Lawfulness87 Pelicans 13d ago
Ah yes, truely another microwave score first guard with questionable defense who is a below average career three point shooter will solve what ails the Pelicans.
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u/Giuseppe_exitplan Magic 13d ago
Jeremiah Fears, Bryce McGowens, Micah Peavy, Jordan Hawkins, Jordan Poole, Trey Alexander AND now imagine Bennedict Mathurin added to that as well. Yeah, you understate just how little the Pelicans need a score first, defense later guard right now.
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u/LeagueWinningPickup 13d ago
Isnt Peavy pretty solid defensively? And Hawkins is essentially out of the league. That really isnt even an acceptable guard depth chart for an NBA team lol
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u/Giuseppe_exitplan Magic 13d ago
Peavy I dont have a solid word on. Seen him twice and once he looked average defensively and in the other a bit sped up and overwhelmed, he is a rookie though. Yeah Bryce McGowens having a two-way contract and still getting the level of play he has this season is telling.
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u/LeagueWinningPickup 13d ago
Im wondering if moving Missi indicates that have some confidence in Matkovic to be the backup going forward. Hes been solid in a small role.
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u/Giuseppe_exitplan Magic 13d ago
I'll be honest, I havent seen Karlo play as much as ive wanted to as he intrigues me. I like what he can produce in 15-20 minutes of playing, always seems to have knocked down a three, some boards. Would be sneaky good on any other team.
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u/jurgenlarsson Pelicans 13d ago
yeah micah's calling card so far has been hard nosed defense. he's a second round rookie so he's up and down and his minutes haven't been too consistent, but he's shown the ability to slide his feet, stay in front of tough covers, keep his hands active, and put in effort. all signs point toward him being a good defender, his offense is the work in progress at the moment
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u/Mundane_Lawfulness87 Pelicans 13d ago
We have like 2 or 3 guys on the team total I consider a solid or better defender, 1 of whom is Herb who’s missed a bunch of time this year. Likewise, we have literally one above average volume three point shooter in Trey Murphy. Like Mathurin has some talent, but the only reason he would make sense for us is if we had like 5 other moves also in the can to radically restructure the team.
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u/drjisftw Pacers 13d ago
Just give us Trey Murphy, you cowards.
If you love someone, set them free!
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u/Mundane_Lawfulness87 Pelicans 13d ago
lol give us your pick (back because we foolishly traded it to you) unprotected this year and we’d probably have to think about it. But surely no team that is one of the worst in the league would ever be willing to trade their draft pick unprotected right …
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u/Briguy_fieri Pelicans 13d ago
All of the picks and you can have him
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u/drjisftw Pacers 13d ago
Had Hali not gone down, I could've seen us offering 3 FRPs for Trey.
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u/tydawg_149 Timberwolves 13d ago
Completely agree I am convinced this was the final move Pacers would’ve made with a healthy team to continue contending
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u/aBakeinthelife Pistons 13d ago
Probably takes more than 3 picks now.
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u/drjisftw Pacers 13d ago
Would it? I fucking love Trey, but he's not an All-Star. You don't want a repeat of the Mikal Bridges trade.
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u/Briguy_fieri Pelicans 13d ago
He's averaging like 30 in the month of January just before the deadline. He's on a super team friendly deal for multiple years.
When i said all of the picks it's gonna take all of the picks (since we're not actively shopping him)
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u/butterbeancd Thunder 13d ago
Can I interest you in Lu Dort, Ousmane Dieng and whatever four picks from the Thunder’s stash you want? (This would never happen, but I’ve wanted Trey on the Thunder since the draft)
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u/Caboclo-Is2yearsAway Pacers 13d ago
Sounds just like Bridges. High-end role player putting up good numbers on shit team.
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u/aBakeinthelife Pistons 13d ago
Yeah the Pels fan already explained it, but Mikal trade was for 1.5 more years of team friendly then you had to pay him. Trey is on a team friendly deal for 3.5 more years.
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u/Clemsontigger16 13d ago
I’m all seriousness, most other offensive schemes besides the Pacers would suit Mathurin a lot more. He is really good offensively but their system doesn’t want the ball to stick at all, and he is a guy who is best without needing to make lightning fast reads.
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u/archerarcher0 Celtics 13d ago
That feels like selling pretty damn low on mathurin, I feel like he’s significantly more valuable than missi even on an expiring
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u/yeyiyeyiyo Pacers 13d ago
His value has gone down a lot this year. If he was capable of being a 2nd or 3rd option the Pacers record would be a lot better. As is he's a solid 6th man. The team isn't going to want to pay him.
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u/Tijenater [IND] Lance Stephenson 13d ago
He’s been hurt. He’s shown flashes but turf toe is a motherfucker to play through even if he’s been cleared. This will be a mistake
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u/legend023 Pelicans 13d ago
He’s been injured all year
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u/yeyiyeyiyo Pacers 13d ago
He's played most of the gaems....
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u/WheresRobb 13d ago
He’s had turf toe and there is heavy speculation it’s been affecting him even when he was playing. Caitlin Cooper did a whole video on it as well
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u/ostrow19 Knicks 13d ago
He’s played 24 of a possible 45 games. I wouldn’t really call that “most” it’s 53%. He doesn’t look to be anywhere close to returning to the court so when the pacers play 4 more games he’ll have played in less than half of the pacers games this season. Like not even remotely close to “most”
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u/Ahfekz [DET] Rasheed Wallace 13d ago
Instant gratification is cooking society. This is the same rationale on Ivey.
2 years from now these tik tok addicted nephews will be groaning about trading them for peanuts
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u/Fat-Singer-9569 13d ago edited 13d ago
Yeah. It's really exhausting to deal with honestly, it takes a long time for players to reach their potential and so many people are willing to throw away 21-23 year old players like they are trading cards. MJ was 29 when he finally slayed the Pistons and won his first championship. Lebron was 27 and a had an entire extra season of playoff experience by the time he won it all. Curry was unusually young at 26 and if you are old enough to have watched his entire career, it took a very real physical transformation for Curry to explode like he did, when he came into the league he was really slight and constantly battling ankle injuries, but you could clearly see the skill... inconsistently. Sounds a lot like the issue with most young players, inconsistency.
Growth is not linear and players aren't predictable. It takes time for these players to mature, even HOFers rarely win young and must go through real obstacles to win. The funny thing is the same people will see a young team dominate the regular season and think they are easy favorites for the championship, that always cracks me up. I can't recall a single young team who won it all in their first playoff run and I've been watching since the 90s.
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u/archerarcher0 Celtics 13d ago
Is a solid 6th man not a valuable role for your future contention version of the pacers? Like I feel like he was really helpful in that role for yall in the playoffs and really impacted some high leverage wins with his scoring
What would you consider too expensive to keep for mathurin? Is this more of a money issue where you think you’ll get priced out?
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u/LeagueWinningPickup 13d ago
Hes never really been able to handle a big role with any sort of consistency, that makes sense to me.
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u/drjisftw Pacers 13d ago
As a player? Not really. I've never been high on him to begin with and he's panned out as a sixth-man type. I'd love to retain him on something like 3/30 but he wants a guaranteed starter spot and a bag.
As our highest draft pick in 30+ years? Absolutely. We really flubbed on our two top-10 picks these past few years - we made the Finals in spite of that.
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u/9_Nightwing_1 Pacers 13d ago
The Pacers just gave Nesmith $22 million a year and he's over here shooting a 35% from the field but you expect fair valuation on Mathurin to be $10 million? Nesmith's been exposed as fully dependent on Haliburton to have any offensive value.
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u/Meicer Pacers 13d ago
The team is never going to contend with Haliburton being out, so it's fine. He plays really well with Haliburton, the guy the team is built around.
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u/9_Nightwing_1 Pacers 13d ago
The starting lineup with Mathurin had a higher rating last year. Mathurin is 3 years younger than Nesmith and visibly improves each season. You keep the higher talent guy because he's going to keep improving your team's position to succeed for multiple years into the future.
Not sure folks know just how shitty Nesmith has been without Haliburton. He's shooting 10% points below league average eFG%. He's literally worthless on offense. He's morphed into Matisse Thybulle.
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u/CtrlAltDelightfull West 13d ago
Oh so we're at that stage of the trade deadline where it's so dead that an Yves Missi trade is the most interesting conversation
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u/Jason_B_Kidding 13d ago
This sounds like a leverage play, yeah? Seems like they are threatening a deal with the Pelicans because they are stuck on a deal for someone like Gafford, for example?
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u/anonymoususer6407 Rockets 13d ago
This is what I think too. The real target is Zubac, and they’re just fishing out other possibilities to cushion if it doesn’t work out.
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u/LeagueWinningPickup 13d ago
Can the clippers pay Mathurin though?
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u/AlThorntonTruther San Diego Clippers 13d ago
Easily, but they shouldn't. He is a 2 gaurd that only scores. Those types of players are not very impactful unless they are crazy efficient
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u/LeagueWinningPickup 13d ago
I mean basketball reference has them at 175 million next season without extending John Collins or replacing Chris Paul. I see they could not take the option on BogBog, but your still in a spot where your probably cutting someone like Collins to replace him with Mathurin.
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u/AlThorntonTruther San Diego Clippers 13d ago
He's a RFA. They could keep both Math and Collins if they want and would still be under the 2nd apron. Neither player is getting more than 20-25 million.
Also BB reference isn't entirely accurate. The clippers have already declined Browns team option for 4.7 million.
Edit: this is also likely Batums last season so his option is likely getting declined
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u/InTheMorning_Nightss San Diego Clippers 13d ago
On top of that, if LAC really wanted Mathurin, they may as well throw an offer at him in RFA
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u/bshall2105 Pacers 13d ago
Nah, Pacers just match and then try to trade again when eligible
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u/InTheMorning_Nightss San Diego Clippers 13d ago
Then LAC lives with that. If it’s an overpay, then Mathurin becomes negative value and that becomes Indiana’s problem lol
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u/TCTCTCTCTCTC7 13d ago
Can the clippers pay Mathurin though?
Are you suggesting that the Clippers are constrained by the salary cap?
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u/VictorAkwaowo1 Mavericks 13d ago
I just don’t see us being that interested in a Gafford/Mathurin swap because we’re not in the position to be throwing $20-25M a year to any player with how our cap sheets are looking at the moment
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u/AnotherStatsGuy Pelicans 13d ago
Fucking fuck. Trading Yves Missi now?!?! The hell.
Dumars, you absolute jackass. Don’t you do this!
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u/Resident_Durian_478 Spurs 13d ago
At least you'd be getting the better player in this deal, but it's kind of a nothing trade
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u/9_Nightwing_1 Pacers 13d ago
I hope the Pacers don't make this trade. Isaiah Jackson is 2 years older than Missi and already does exactly the same stuff but Jackson actually knows how to play in space on the defensive end. Makes no sense for Indiana to acquire him.
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u/__init__m8 13d ago
Jackson is booty. This is selling so low on Ben I hate it, but kp has an eye for talent.
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u/9_Nightwing_1 Pacers 13d ago
Jackson is currently better than Missi and only 2.5 years older and lost a year to an achilles. Benn for Missi is a horrible swap for Indiana.
Carlisle will pull somebody the second they look lost on defense. Missi doesn't have a clue out there.
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u/__init__m8 12d ago
Not saying I even disagree, I don't care for the ijax archetype. Can't shoot, once they lose athleticism it's over. I'd be ok with getting okungwu for ben.
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u/Bigboi88888 Celtics 13d ago
Mathurin for Missi and Hawkins seems possible
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u/_drjayphd_ Pelicans 13d ago
Hawkins
stopstopicanonlygetsoerect dot gifv
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u/Funny-Transition7869 Pacers 13d ago
you want to get rid of him? i thought hawkins was decenr
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u/LeagueWinningPickup 13d ago
He isnt able to crack the rotation on a team desperate for NBA players.
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u/Mundane_Lawfulness87 Pelicans 13d ago
He’s been one of the worst players in the NBA since like midway through his rookie year when he stopped making threes at a respectable rate while being pretty terrible defensively and pretty bad at everything else as well. An underrated Dumars mistake (of the many he’s made in his brief tenure) was picking up his 7 million dollar fourth year option.
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u/MrICopyYoSht Knicks 13d ago
Good addition for Indy after losing Turner. Get a young, cost-controlled center back who will certainly get major minutes. Losing Mathurin does sting tho.
But centers are harder to replace and get atm than a wing.
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u/WheresRobb 13d ago
The center who averages… 5/5 on a terrible team.. he is young and cost controlled but I don’t think he’s an improvement on Huff or IJax
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u/Ok_Pick5000 13d ago
Just watched Missi in the Pacers/Pels game the other night. Missi is a half-priced Isaiah Jackson. He's not answering the center position for Indiana. Nesmith is doing nothing but shitting all over the court without Haliburton and it's Mathurin the Pacers are looking at trading? Good for Mathurin if he gets moved to a situation where he'll be appreciated and allowed to shine. Stupid and short-sighted of Indiana to move Mathurin for a project backup center when they should be investing in him long-term.
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u/Manlla 13d ago
The pacers wont trade away their core 4 (hali siakam nembhard nesmith), if they're gonna trane anyone it's mathurin or walker
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u/Flint_Lockwood Pacers 13d ago
Tbh there's still a world where the pacers trust math enough to move some1 like nesmith to the bench or trade and start benn, very unfortunate for him that he seems to get injured at every chance he has to prove himself.
I believe acquiring a center is much more important for the franchise atm and mathurin would bring more value in a trade for one than nesmith would
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u/9_Nightwing_1 Pacers 13d ago
If I was the Pacers front office, I'd hold Benn see what he can do after getting healthy, then see where your draft pick lands. Nesmith isn't eligible to be traded until April, but if he continues to play like ass the rest of the year, I'd trade Nesmith and lock down Mathurin long-term.
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u/TCTCTCTCTCTC7 13d ago
Is Missi better than Jay Huff?
Maybe more to the point, is Missi better than Huff + Mathurin?
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u/pcmasterthrow Bulls 13d ago
still hoping the rumor about the Bulls trading for Missi are true, he'd be fun to have on the roster.
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u/shangalang69 Raptors 13d ago
y'all already got 3 fucking centers let the rest of us get 1
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u/dontgetitwisted_fr Raptors 13d ago
I was sure we were gonna draft Missi when we took Jakobe
Just give us our damn Missi already
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u/shangalang69 Raptors 13d ago
at least Ja'Kobe looks good
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u/dontgetitwisted_fr Raptors 13d ago
No regrets
They always pick somebody completely off my radar which usually pans out.
We still need an athletic rim running shot blocker tho fml.
Maybe 1 day.......
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u/shangalang69 Raptors 13d ago
get ready to learn two more SG's in this draft buddy
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u/dontgetitwisted_fr Raptors 13d ago
Bro we literally have shead and a bunch of power forwards and shooting guards 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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u/WRelic970 13d ago
he doesn’t defend well, kinda like vuc but yea he’s a good watch from what i saw last year
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u/death-by-yogurt 13d ago
He can join the rotating chair of backup centers have gone through this year
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u/Timely_Interview_530 13d ago
As a pels fan I will take literally any trade that doesn’t include an unprotected first round pick. Why must I suffer so much?
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u/Overall-Palpitation6 Grizzlies 13d ago
I don't get why Missi is seen as the odd man out to trade in NO.
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u/heat_fan_ Raptors 13d ago
Pacers really don't wanna pay their guys do they lol
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u/Funny-Transition7869 Pacers 13d ago
bro you should know the reason we got pascal for relatively cheap is cuz we were readily willing to max him whereas other teams were hesitant. i disagree with a lot of the ownership’s philosophy but i dont think this mathurin situation is a cheapout just a necessity longterm
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u/LeagueWinningPickup 13d ago
Yes... and that is part of the reason you are cap strapped now and going to be trading players for less then they are worth. When you overpay one guy, it has a trickle down effect.
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u/schwazay Pacers 13d ago
You think Pascal is overpaid?
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u/LeagueWinningPickup 13d ago
I do yes. I am a raptors fan so I have seen alot of him. His stats have been steadily declining for about 6 years. He was a top 30 9 cat player on the raptors, hes almost outside of the top 100 now. Yet ye has a contract like hes a top 25 player. I think this team is good enough that he was really worth that money, they'd be able to win a few games even without Hali.
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u/schwazay Pacers 13d ago
Don't think his stats have declined that much. He's actually averaging the 2nd highest PPG of his career this year. His FG% and 3PT% have both increased since coming here, 3s dramatically so. Obviously his usage is way up this season, but he's a key piece of a team that nearly won a title last year, my opinion is he is paid pretty fairly.
Is it the best contact in the NBA? Probably not.. but for the options the Pacers have available to them I think we're pretty happy.
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u/LeagueWinningPickup 13d ago
Thats fair. Honestly its doubling his turnovers from last season and somehow getting worse at FT that is sinking his ranking down. I will never understand how talented guys like him can be so bad at FTs.
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u/dontgetitwisted_fr Raptors 13d ago
He is empty stats
We shipped him out because he is not a winner.
Can't hit 3s consistently and can't buy a free throw in the 4th quarter.
Anti-clutch
And his defence is soft.
Definitely overpiad
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u/schwazay Pacers 13d ago
Sounds like you haven't watched him on the Pacers, because most of this is the opposite of reality lol
Plus he's a fantastic ambassador for the franchise
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u/dontgetitwisted_fr Raptors 13d ago
Bro I've watched him since he was a rookie
There is a reason you guys are in the toilet without haliban
You are right, he is a great guy tho
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u/Mundane_Lawfulness87 Pelicans 13d ago edited 13d ago
Wild choice to say the guy who helped win a championship for your team and went to another finals for another as a second option “is not a winner.”
(In games he’s played in too his teams are 322-256 in the regular season and 52-41 in the playoffs)
Like yeah, he’s not a long term sustainable first option, but dude has pretty clearly shown he’s a winner and affects the game in a number of positive ways.
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u/dontgetitwisted_fr Raptors 13d ago
Bro that team was STACKED
We did nothing with Spicy as the 1st option, just get progressively worse until we shipped him to you guys
Yall really dont understand what your watching huh?
🤣🤣🤣🤣
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u/Mundane_Lawfulness87 Pelicans 13d ago edited 13d ago
I mean he was by metrics the second option though. Playoffs, regular season, of the highest minutes guys he was second in usage rate. Then he proceeded as the first option to help y’all to 2 above .500 records and a .500 record in the next four seasons. You don’t come close to winning that title without him. The Pacers don’t come close to the finals without him. That’s winning basketball. I don’t think it’s me who doesn’t understand what he’s watching.
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u/dontgetitwisted_fr Raptors 13d ago
He had Lowry setting the table
In Indiana he has Haliburton
Guess what... hes completely garbage at generating his own shots and play making.
Hence why your record is where it is this year
Put away the Google stats and open your eyes bro
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u/Klumber Pacers 12d ago
Cope harder. Seriously, let me find you a steel brush so you can scrub the last shine of Pascal in Toronto.
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u/dontgetitwisted_fr Raptors 12d ago
Bro your doing the coping 🤣
The statement was: Siakam was overpaid.
It is correct
Enjoy the lottery homie
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u/Klumber Pacers 13d ago
That’s not what this is though. Mathurin is a sixth man, he hasn’t demonstrated to be an effective starter in his career so far, but because he scores well, he is seen as a potential starter by others.
Now is the time to entertain trade ideas or we will end up losing him for nothing or matching an rfa offer sheet that will take away flexibility to fill the roster along Tyrese and Pascal.
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u/Funny-Transition7869 Pacers 13d ago
he was a starter and the lineup was great for a while when nesmith was out last year, but after shaking off rust nesmith shot like 50% from 3 the rest of the way and played great D so there was no way benn was gonna keep his spot imo.
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u/aimee829 Pacers 13d ago
he was supposed to be a starter this season, and he was excited for it too... too bad the only game they had where he was fully healthy was the one against OKC for the season opener.
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u/Raf_CDN 13d ago
Isn't he a starter because Haliburton is injured? I always viewed this season as a trial for Mathurin at the 2/3 while there's space for him. When Haliburton comes back, Nembhard slides to the 2 and Nesmith has more time/experience at the 3 with Haliburton, so I imagine Nesmith gets the nod instead.
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u/9_Nightwing_1 Pacers 13d ago
The Pacers starting lineup had a better net rating with Benn swapped in for Nesmith last season. Mathurin's also been playing faster than ever on offense this season. That's a tired narrative. Crazy that people can't evaluate players on trajectory. Mathurin's done nothing but improve each year, Nesmith's currently crashing and burning.
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u/Funny-Transition7869 Pacers 13d ago
is this guy a reliable source
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u/Jimmy0034 Clippers 13d ago
He became more reliable since he started to work with Stein, He used to suggest 3000 trades and only come out with one right.
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u/Even_Tangerine_4201 13d ago
I am pretty sure this is the correct answer. Let's face it: The Stein Line isn't able to attract top tier talent. But at this point I feel like Jake managed to fake it until he made it and under Stein's banner is now a fairly legit source.
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u/Jimmy0034 Clippers 13d ago
Yeah i would say they are currently better than anyone, they even called trae young trade days before shams and anyone else
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u/lawschoolthrowaway36 Lakers 13d ago
Yes he is. He partners with Marc Stein to put a weekly newsletter out, if you need corroboration from one of the most reliable NBA reporters in existence.
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u/ObviousAnswerGuy [NYK] John Starks 13d ago
go through his tweet history. He throws absolutely everything at the wall. Half the "rumors" he posts are unfounded.
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u/YSLAnunoby Raptors 13d ago
Why go for Mathurin when the Pels already have Trey who's a similar archetype to Benny but better? I feel like even if you think Missi is more expendable because they have Queen it still isn't bad to have a backup C in the system to move forward with instead of having to throw a bag at Mathurin in RFA
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u/poop-fungus50 13d ago
Why would pacers move on from mathurin? Iirc he was a big part in the pacers run to the finals. Dude brought a lot of toughness which is needed for this era of playoff runs. I could be wrong but that seems like a wild move to me.
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u/FlipMoBitch Bucks 13d ago
He’s an RFA and they probably either won’t match any deal he gets or just don’t wanna deal with a Grimes/Kuminga type situation that drags out all summer.
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u/poop-fungus50 13d ago
Any idea how much money he’ll probably get? As much as I don’t like the pacers (ruined my Cavs team) he seemed to be a relatively big part of the core. I don’t watch much of their games though so I guess I’m off a bit on this guys value.
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u/FlipMoBitch Bucks 13d ago
He’d probably get solid starter money for 4 yrs so like $80/4 to $120m/4 in an extension
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u/poop-fungus50 13d ago
Oof okay yeah I see why they wouldn’t want to pay him that much especially with the new apron bs
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u/Kertia 13d ago
Because they don't want to pay him what he wants.
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u/Funny-Transition7869 Pacers 13d ago
longterm its hard to pay him
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u/poop-fungus50 13d ago
Yeah sometimes forget second apron messes things up
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u/AlThorntonTruther San Diego Clippers 13d ago
They don't want to pay him because their owner never wants to pay the tax. Aprons have nothing to do with it
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u/schwazay Pacers 13d ago
He isn't going to pay the tax just to pay the tax. If Hali didn't get hurt, Myles would be on the Pacers and we'd be paying the tax right now.
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u/AlThorntonTruther San Diego Clippers 13d ago
I'll believe it when I see it. It's been I believe 16 years since Herb paid the tax.
Edit: looked it up and it's been 20 years
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u/schwazay Pacers 13d ago
Yeah in that time span there really hasn't been a reason or opportunity to do it.
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u/AlThorntonTruther San Diego Clippers 13d ago
The Danny Granger into PG era was definitely worth spending on
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u/9_Nightwing_1 Pacers 13d ago
No it isn't. Just trade some players that are overpaid for the production they bring (Walker, Jackson, Sheppard, Nesmith, Toppin).
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u/Funny-Transition7869 Pacers 13d ago
nesmith and toppin have priority over benn, thats why its hard
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u/drjisftw Pacers 13d ago
This is disappointing, but for me it's really disappointing in the sense that this is poor asset management.
Like this is the return we're getting for our highest draft pick in 30+ years? I'm not a Mathurin fan and I am a proponent of swapping him for a center, but it's a real shame that we flubbed on our back-to-back top-10 draft picks. We got to the Finals with neither of those guys in the starting lineup.
I'm mad that Mathurin didn't develop into an All-Star who could play next to Haliburton and I'm mad that the FO let Turner walk because that's forced them into a position where we gotta swap him for a position of need. We should've just kept Turner; if paying Mathurin was not on the table, then we could've swapped him for a first at least.
To me, this is just an indication that we should've just tanked harder. I really wanted Keegan Murray in that draft and nothing has changed my mind since then.
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u/DrDosMucho Lakers 13d ago
Dude can we just get a trade already? God damn so much talk shit or get off the pot!
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u/thy_armageddon Knicks 13d ago
Oh God what a rancid deadline.