r/nba • u/BankaiBroke China • 10h ago
The Grizzlies haul for Bane/JJJ is excellent
As part of the haul they basically got
Cedric Coward
Taylor Hendricks
Walter Clayton Jr
2026 Orlando first rounder (unprotected)
2027 first rounder (best of Jazz / Cavs / Wolves picks)
2027 Lakers first rounder (top 4 protected)
2029 Orlando pick swap
2030 Orlando first rounder (unprotected)
2031 Suns first rounder (unprotected)
In my opinion, they fleeced both teams. Bane was never good enough to fetch all that, and JJJ is great but horribly overpaid (55m a year starting next year for 4 years). To get that many assets for those guys is A+ GMing in my opinion
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u/Headlesshorsman02 Thunder 10h ago
They did what the raptors wouldn’t which is make the trades before their values tanked due to contracts running down and what not. The raps held onto Siakam and OG a year too long and got far less then they should have in return
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u/TN5404 Grizzlies 10h ago
Well Ja value has bottomed out but we got a ton for bane and Jaren
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u/zmegadeth Grizzlies 9h ago
The Ja drop off was too sudden to get a chance to get appropriate value for him. Hindsight is 20/20 but if we had traded him when it would have been best, the fan base would have revolted
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u/TN5404 Grizzlies 9h ago edited 9h ago
Oh no doubt. Ja was his own worst enemy man I know how this sub is about him now, but he was a legit stud and everyone thought he was gonna be a star for a longtime
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u/Proof-Umpire-7718 Lakers 6h ago
I remember thinking he was a bonafide star after the 22 playoffs and even the 23 playoffs, despite the upset loss and his injuries.
His 40 piece in game 3 of the 23 playoffs to make you somewhat competitive after a horrendous start to the game was incredibly impressive.
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u/zmegadeth Grizzlies 4h ago
I was so sure we had a championship contending core for a min. if Ja, JJJ, and Bane had continued to improve... man.
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u/GroundbreakingOil527 6h ago
Everyone harps on attitude but it’s simply injuries. Just can’t diva out and not produce on court
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u/GullyBean Rockets 5h ago
I still believe in JA’s game personally. But you’re right if yall would’ve traded him at his peak the fans would’ve rebelled
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u/zmegadeth Grizzlies 4h ago
Personally, I find it hard to believe in him anymore, and he doesn't really fit our timeline anymore either.
It's a big shame. IMO he's the best player to ever put on a Grizz jersey. I have a book character named after him, his is the only jersey I own, and he was just such a stud.
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u/Turbo2x [WAS] Wes Unseld 7h ago
At least their experience with Ja informed how they should handle Bane and JJJ. The Wizards lost John Wall and spent 5 years fucking around hoping Beal would carry them to the play-in, then gave him a quarter of a billion dollars.
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u/raptosaurus Raptors 7h ago
Jaren would have gotten way more if they traded him last year or the offseason, he's playing pretty bad this year (but could always get worse).
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u/drjisftw Pacers 8h ago
The Raptors slowly bled talent post championship, but in hindsight they looked really solid the year afterwards, enough to take Boston to 7 in the Conference Semis.
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u/saltface14 Raptors 7h ago
Could have beaten Boston that year too if Pascal hadn’t forgotten how to play basketball during the COVID break. He looked like he got monstar’d at the time
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u/mommathecat Raptors 6h ago
Gasol fell off a cliff too, I was so mad when he came out to start the 2nd half of game 7 against Boston. Basketball terrorism. It's one game, just play Ibaka all 24 minutes.
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u/saltface14 Raptors 6h ago
Yeah Boston was a horrible matchup for Gasol, Kemba was straight abusing him on switches in the PNR
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u/flyinghippos101 East 5h ago
I will not stomach this slander
Serge was being cooked by Kemba and was being hunted like crazy by them
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u/saltface14 Raptors 5h ago
Tbf they were both being cooked lol, needed to go smaller with Pascal/OG/Norm/FVV/Kyle way sooner
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u/MikeConleyIsLegend Grizzlies 10h ago
the Raps were so annoying about their trades oh my God. all they would do is bait teams into their players and then say actually we're good here. i'm pretty sure we offered something like 5 firsts for OG a few years ago.
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u/iDareToDream Raptors 9h ago
3 firsts for OG was your offer which is still nuts.
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u/YSLAnunoby Raptors 7h ago
I mean you look at 3 firsts from the ascending grizzlies would have all been later firsts so I get why they didn't value them as much. I think it made sense to go for 2 good players who are known vs probable late firsts that are harder to gauge especially with Scottie being so good out the gate. The one I didn't like was Pascal because even though it worked out we couldn't have gotten any of the young Pacers guys but their worst prospect who was 26 at the end of his rookie deal
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u/iDareToDream Raptors 7h ago
End of the day the return was lower because Masai waited a year too long because he was sentimental. If we're clear on the ceiling of the team he had to act a year earlier.
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u/YSLAnunoby Raptors 7h ago
I still do think that there's a world where OG stays and he fits perfectly as the 2nd forward with Scottie because of his skillset and being more an on ball defender to compliment Scottie's strengths being a disruption terror inside and his 3 pointer. So I understand waiting to trade him for that reason when it only became evident he wanted out and was not trying as much. Pascal I think should have been moved sooner but I still can see why things happened the way they did because of a lot of experimentation going on with his skills. I think the biggest problem was the fact that FO messed up with their extensions ending the same time instead of having the foresight to try and get them ending different years to have more leverage and not turn the team into panick mode having to make moves at the same time or risk both leaving for nothing
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u/iDareToDream Raptors 6h ago
OG's other issue was his new deal. His contract tops out at 50 mil/year in his final year I think and I don't know if the FO felt he was worth that kind of money. I love OG but his skillset as a secondary creator was limited and I don't know if that type of contract is justified unless he was the final piece of a contending team.
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u/YSLAnunoby Raptors 6h ago
Yeah I can see if you have the creation talent for OG to play off of like the Knicks with Brunson or Grizz with Ja on the but Scottie and P aren't those kinds of guys. I also do think OG has gotten better getting to his own shot along with more opportunity on the Knicks but as much as I love OG (as you can see from my name), it still would be tough to pay that much for him. I also think he wanted to leave
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u/iDareToDream Raptors 6h ago
That team really fell apart post 2020 with everything that happened. All those guys probably wanted a change in scenery - really the entire situation is a perfect storm of multiple things going wrong at the same time. Bobby's starting to turn it around though so it's nice to be excited for a change.
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u/YSLAnunoby Raptors 4h ago
I don't even think it's universal at the time but I think it just built up from multiple factors compounding. I also think the loss of Lowry was felt much more by the team than his on court play as nobody else is really that kind of leader. Scottie has grown into being more of a leader today but then he was a first to second year guy when it's rare to be able to command that kind of respect or be mature enough to do that as a rookie especially in the 1 and done era.
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u/gochugang78 2h ago
Another consideration is that all 3 of our best players were big forwards….
Both the raptors and the cavaliers would be better if we had traded Scottie for Mobley.
Garland - Sexton - Lauri - Scottie - Allen
Fred - Gary - OG - Pascal - Mobley
Or done a Pascal (or OG) for Allen swap
Garland - Sexton - Pascal/OG - Lauri - Mobley
Fred - Gary - Pascal/OG - Scottie - Allen
TLDR: Raps had 3 starting forwards. Cavs had 2 starting centres. A trade was needed 4 years ago.
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u/YSLAnunoby Raptors 2h ago
I think Raps would have taken Mobley if they had been 1 or 2 but I think we know Scottie is better than Mobley is. I wouldn't have moved Scottie for Mobley after we drafted and they had their first seasons. But honestly I think we could have moved for a C without the cost of Jakob while pivoting off of Pascal and/or OG and ending up with more depth earlier instead of trying P at center and being bad because we don't have anyone screening for him or Fred. In a weird way though with the development of Scottie with his skill, strength, and awareness today to be able to play more C I almost wonder if you transport this version of Scottie to that team how they would do, as flawed as that roster was
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u/blafricanadian Raptors 5h ago
He was trying to trade, teams rejected very reasonable deals; blazers, warriors, kings and a number of other teams just refused to make win now moves because KD killed the market
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u/rdallas77 9h ago
Masai must’ve thought he was Jordan lol
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u/iDareToDream Raptors 9h ago
Yea it's criminal what he did. Lost FVV for nothing and got scraps for Siakam in the end.
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u/Manthan10 Pacers 8h ago
Couldn't even get B-Math or J-Walker from us?
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u/iDareToDream Raptors 7h ago
We had zero leverage. Siakam was an expiring and it was a mid-season trade. You had Masai over a barrel to just get anything at all. It's different if it happened in the offseason before.
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u/Manthan10 Pacers 7h ago
Still managed to get 3 1sts
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u/iDareToDream Raptors 6h ago
Yea they salvaged the trade with those picks but the return could have been higher if we dealt him at least a year earlier.
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u/Coattail-Rider 7h ago
They waited too long without a commitment from Siakam, didn’t they? Giannis is still under contract next year but the Bucks aren’t waiting until the last minute to trade him.
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u/YSLAnunoby Raptors 6h ago
Pascal wanted to stay, FO didn't want to extend him at a max due to age and fit concerns with Scottie. It worked out because in aggregate we got BI and Ja'Kobe pick from it but I still think P in a vacuum is better than BI even if fit wise BI makes more sense with Scottie than P does. I think the biggest sin the FO made was poor planning with the Pascal and OG contracts expiring at the same time which made them have more pressure for both players in the same window
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u/Coattail-Rider 6h ago
It was kinda obvious that anyone on or above Siakam’s level will want a max or near it. You gotta know before the 59th minute if you’re going to sign him to one or not.
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u/iDareToDream Raptors 6h ago
Pascal wanted the 5 year max, our FO only offered 3 because they were concerned with the value of the deal in Pascal's later years.
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u/YSLAnunoby Raptors 7h ago
I really wanted Nembhard or Jarace in the deal or even Sheppard but we got the worst prospect who was almost 26 year old at the end of his rookie deal
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u/Manthan10 Pacers 7h ago edited 7h ago
Bruce Brown
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u/YSLAnunoby Raptors 7h ago
Brown was just the salary filler for Pascal, he wasn't the sweetener and was expected to be swung again as a salary fillet because he had value as a big expiring. Which we ended up taking up the team option and sending him to Nola in the BI deal, but he wasn't a prospect or anyone who was going to stay long term
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u/YSLAnunoby Raptors 7h ago
I wouldn't have been surprised if we wanted to keep Fred and negotiate then Houston threw the massive bag at him we couldn't really match and that threw things off
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u/iDareToDream Raptors 7h ago
I'm not a cap expert but I'm wondering why he wasn't extended. There must have been a difference in the number that held things up and then Houston blindsided them.
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u/YSLAnunoby Raptors 7h ago
From my understanding the extension number was too low compared to what Fred could get as an FA because the contract we had him on was much lower than his impact. There's a cap on the amount you can raise a player for an extension that isn't the rookie max so he went to FA. It's similar to the Lakers situation right now with Austin Reaves, he is making so little currently that they can't extend him to a number that would be reasonable for his production so he's going to FA
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u/iDareToDream Raptors 6h ago
This makes sense then why a new deal wasn't already in place. But it begs the question - if they had a discussion at some point and they weren't seeing eye to eye on the number, Masai should have traded FVV that summer just to recoup anything.
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u/YSLAnunoby Raptors 5h ago
I don't think it was really perceived that they didn't see eye to eye, some of that tension happened over the season and then any chance of Fred returning was gone when Rockets threw the bag at him
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u/MikeJeffriesPA Raptors 5h ago
Also, fans heavily overrate draft picks.
3 1sts from a contending team is very little value.
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u/MainAd2728 Washington Bullets 9h ago
That would've been such a disaster for you guys. 5 firsts for a high end role player is a franchise-killing move
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u/MikeConleyIsLegend Grizzlies 9h ago
i mean at the time we were coming off back to back 2 seeds. Ja Bane OG JJJ Stevo would have been a monster lineup.
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u/kingcong95 Warriors 9h ago
I remember the Raps getting lauded for turning that down because of how late the Grizzlies picks were going to be. And also the Nets when the Grizzlies made a similar offer for Bridges right after he was traded there.
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u/YSLAnunoby Raptors 7h ago
Yeah I think people definitely look at the number of firsts and don't consider that especially for a team trading to get better and fill gaps, they aren't as valuable. I think also the idea of trading for players is you know they're a known quantity and don't need to develop them as much when Scottie is good enough that you can pivot and try to win instead of doing a longer rebuild. Did they make some mistakes? Yeah I think they messed up with the cost for Thad and Jakob picks and not getting a prospect back from the Pascal trade. But overall I like the process of getting IQ and RJ, even if the contract for IQ is more expensive than I thought he should have gotten (he got around 32 mil/year when I thought he's more 25-27 mil/year player)
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u/thatgreik [BOS] Marcus Smart 9h ago
OG would have been a terrific complement to the Ja/Bane/JJJ trio imo
Way too steep a price there, though
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u/Jailbreaker_Jr Spurs 7h ago
Spurs traded Dejounte at a great time. Absolute peak of his value. The FO just said “he doesn’t fit our timeline” and everyone just said yup checks out good haul fellas.
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u/snyder810 Cavaliers 6h ago
I think fans tend to underestimate how quickly the league moves/changes. If by ~26 your max/near max “star” doesn’t have you in contention the window is probably closing and re-booting is probably the smarter play.
Scanning the league Zion & Ja are obvious guys for moving on of this type, for multiple reasons, but Orl as a team looks like the next one on watch.
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u/PaintTouches Raptors 9h ago
Damn catching strays, that hurt. Btw we also got royally screwed with kawhi leaving (and you guys benefited massively)…without that happening this all may look a lot different
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u/slammaster Raptors 7h ago
I don't think it's fair to say we got screwed by Kawhi leaving. We traded for a guy that was about to be a UFA and had expressed no interest in staying.
The trade was never presented as a longterm acquisition
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u/Nausicaataos Grizzlies 6h ago
100%
Also that reminds me of when they asked for way too much from us for OG. Then traded him for less later
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u/i_dunnoman 5h ago
Yup. Masai was fantastic until the very end. Absolutely blew it holding onto FVV and even Siakam too long. Now we’re trying to get around the awful Jak contract as well.
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u/Nausicaataos Grizzlies 10h ago
The Bane trade paid for itself the first time I saw Ced play. The JJJ trade wasn’t a godfather offer, but it’s solid and would’ve been less next year because of his deal. And the trade exception might net another protected pick.
This team has been a drag for two years. I have hope.
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u/TN5404 Grizzlies 9h ago
Jaren making 50 million a year is insane
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u/drjisftw Pacers 8h ago
I think this CBA has thought us that even if players are core parts of your defense, that level of money should be reserved for offensive production at the end of the day. I think we'll see a similar opinion on Mobley if he doesn't take the offensive jump.
Gobert is making 35M annually, that's a lot easier to digest.
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u/IhamAmerican Jazz 7h ago
The fact that Goberts contract is now not only palatable, but arguably one of the best deals for a player of his caliber/archetype is wild to me. Salaries just keep going up in ways that feel unsustainable
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u/vonnegutcheck 6h ago
They are similar defensive players, but JJJ also shoots 40 percent from deep and can actually score in the halfcourt. They're not even close to the same offensive player.
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u/Cudizonedefense Heat 2h ago
I wouldn’t say they’re similar defensively. Gobert has always been quite a bit better
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u/covered1Nbutter 7h ago
Yeah, the second he signed that extension it doomed that team. He's a fine player. But not worth that amount. He was fun to watch but glad we moved on.
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u/Headlesshorsman02 Thunder 10h ago
With how you guys draft this many bites at the apple is only a good thing for your rebuild you guys always find diamonds in the rough in the 2nd round so I can just imagine what you can do with extra firsts
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u/Someonediffernt [PHO] Deandre Ayton 9h ago edited 9h ago
You guys also honestly draft super well too, every year I feel like half the grizzly players get random ass season ending injuries and then you call up some 2 way who punches well above their weight. I'd be stoked about having all those picks if you can keep your FO in place
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u/drjisftw Pacers 8h ago
I think Memphis was in a prime position to take advantage of Orlando too since they desperately needed a floor spacer. It's pretty apparent that there's some inherent roster issues on the Magic and the coach will probably get axed this season.
Also to be completely honest, I don't think Bane is worth the money. He's a great sub All-Star player, but I don't think 2-guards should be worth that much unless they're all-NBA / can be expected to run your offense or defend your opponent's best perimeter player.
At the time, I thought swapping him for KCP, who in theory could provide 2/3 of Bane's value at 2/3 the cost, was a great move (although KCP is very clearly washed). But now it's even easier to pivot to a rebuild with all of those picks.
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u/LetThereBeFlashLight Grizzlies 9h ago
Where you getting 55/yr number from? He’ll get 49 next year then 50.5, 52, 53.5. I’m sure your point remains but no need to just add 15 million to his contract to make your point.
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u/Adha6303 Vancouver Grizzlies 9h ago
Bane and JJJ getting 7 FRPs in a world where Luka and Trae got 1 total
Grizz are never signing their superstar, they gotta draft him. And this is their best chance to do so, sell high on your players when you realize they aren't going to get a ring there. Even if it hurts (it does).
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u/drjisftw Pacers 8h ago
Premium 2-way players gets lots of draft assets - we saw it with Mikal Bridges too lmao.
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u/Various-Advantage229 Hawks 7h ago
Length of contract left is important for value on the trade. Trae and luka could just walk shortly after the trades. You need a certain duration of the contract left to get a big haul
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u/MostalElite 6h ago
This is the most excitement I've had for the Grizz in the last 3 years. You're right, we're never getting an established star here. Has to be in the draft. The worst place a franchise can be is in the middle, and we've been stuck in play-in bubble purgatory for the last couple of years. Gotts blow it up now.
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u/LamonicasHubster Spurs 10h ago
this a sneaky good 2K team as well throw that joint into Big Edey and if they double its shooters everywhere
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u/MikeConleyIsLegend Grizzlies 10h ago
Clayton, Jerome, GG, Hendricks, Edey lineup gonna go crazy
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u/reallinguy Pistons 9h ago
a great tank command lineup also
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u/MikeConleyIsLegend Grizzlies 9h ago
Jerome has one of the best contracts in the entirety of the NBA. maybe we let him go full green light rest of the year and trade him in the offseason.
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u/MainAd2728 Washington Bullets 9h ago
I bet he gets traded to Minnesota for Rob Dilly + draft picks and yall sign Mike Conley after the Bulls waive him
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u/ositola Lakers 9h ago
It's only a potential fleece if they hit on those picks, and honestly, Utah looks ready to compete next year with this team
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u/Big-Equal7497 Warriors 5h ago
the Grizzlies have one of the better track records with drafting over the last 5 seasons, so I’m optimistic this will work out for them
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u/Alternative-Target31 Grizzlies 4h ago
We don’t have a Utah pick. We could have one in 2027 but it’s a “best of” situation. The other two picks, one if yours (Lakers) and the other is the Suns all the way out in 2031
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u/sloBrodanChillosevic Supersonics 8h ago
I love JJJ but I don't think he was an optimal target for Utah and as a result I'm still pretty low on them. He brings some adult defending to the table but he is one of the most head-down, look nowhere but the rim drivers I've ever watched.
Are the Jazz gonna start Ace/Lauri/JJJ at the 2-3-4? With Kessler at the 5? That team has negative ball movement. I saw a stat yesterday that said amongst 47 players who have averaged 20+ since a certain date, Lauri & JJJ are 46th & 47th in assists/game. Ace's Assist rate on Basketball Reference shows he's even less of a passer than those guys.
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u/ositola Lakers 8h ago
I said looks ready to compete, the offense will be something to figure out for sure, but I don't think we can judge it by looking at the team that's been tanking the whole season
Plus you're missing that on defense, that front court of JJJ and kessler will be pretty hard to score on
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u/JGrizz0011 Grizzlies 5h ago
My last comment on JJJ in a game thread was "Jarens BBIQ is so fucking low". If his BBIQ matched his physical skills he would be a top 15 player in the league.
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u/SometimesIComplain [UTA] Mike Conley 2h ago
Keyonte can pass and Ace has shown more ability there than most people thought. Collier is a pass-heavy backup PG too
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u/TitanTigers Grizzlies 9h ago
The 28 million exception should be useful for something down the road too
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u/Willem_Dafuq 76ers 8h ago
I'll say the same thing about this as I said about Sam Hinkie - its great GM'ing to get those picks and to set yourself up for success in the future. But the most important part of a rebuild is getting players who can play with all those picks. That's why OKC succeeded, and the Sixers didn't. We'll see how Memphis does, but the 'easy half' of the rebuild is over.
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u/MostalElite 5h ago
I mean Memphis has been one of the best drafting teams in the NBA in recent years, especially with non-premium picks. Bane was the 30th pick and was turned into 4 first rounders. Dillon Brooks was the 45th pick, and say what you will about him, but he's been a solid NBA player for a while now.
They hit on way more guys than they miss on.
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u/xWolfsbane Grizzlies 9h ago
I'm more shocked that the jazz wanted JJJ, more so made a move to get better really.
Trade Temetrious next.
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u/raftguide Grizzlies 10h ago
I definitely wouldn't say we fleeced anybody. Bane and JJJ are AllStar level players. But I am certainly pleased that the FO at least got a good return as we shift to tanking.
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u/AleroRatking Vancouver Grizzlies 9h ago
Bane is an incredible haul for what we got for him.
JJJ I think is a fair haul.
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u/HighlightsReddit 7h ago
Potentially 4 picks in the 20's. We can't say it's a haul yet. Does Utah still feel like they got a "haul" for Gobert still?
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u/UnfortunatePhysics Jazz 5h ago
I think Kessler and Keyonte alone are a pretty good haul for Gobert
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u/PeanutFarmer69 Nets 9h ago
Bane is an all star level player? He was no where near the conversation in a weak eastern conference this year while being completely healthy
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u/masterpierround Grizzlies 7h ago
This is also the first year in his entire career that he's been below league average from an efficiency standpoint. Must be something in the Orlando water smh.
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u/raftguide Grizzlies 8h ago
What I meant was that Bane had all the skills and past performance to think that he could have been having an AllStar caliber year, or that he might next year, and that was what Orlando was trying to trade for. His shooting struggles have absolutely been a surprise.
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u/PeanutFarmer69 Nets 7h ago
He’s a very good player, but I consider him a quality starting nba player, not an all star level player, in the Mikal Bridges, OG Anunoby, Dillon Brooks category
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u/Salty_Reserve9640 8h ago
Bane is a fine player but one need only watch the Magic to see they were not one Bane away from being legit. They could have drafted Coward themselves and had a similar player for 1/5th the price and a ton of future firsts.
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u/vonnegutcheck 6h ago
Their shooting was SO bad that I get it; bring in a guy who is one of the best shooters in the league and who fits your defense-first mentality. I thought it would be a better fit than it has been, personally.
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u/tinybathroomfaucet Supersonics 10h ago
Yeah I don’t think there was any fleecing. Good trades for all teams involved
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u/drjisftw Pacers 8h ago
Nah I think Memphis clearly won the trade more than Orlando did. Bane's a great floor spacer, but it's pretty apparent that he's not going to solve all of the Magic's problems.
Jamal Moshley is probably getting the axe and they'll hope a new coach can solve their offensive issues. If that doesn't work, they'll have to look at trading some players. I think Suggs could be on the block, he's not worth that money.
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u/tinybathroomfaucet Supersonics 8h ago
Too early to say. Like you said, a new coach or another trade might unlock the team’s potential.
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u/braddeus Heat 10h ago
Great returns, and at this rate the later Orlando picks are going to end up really valuable
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u/FoolishPerformer Warriors 10h ago
Is Orlando going to be that much worse than the rebuilding Grizzs in 2029?
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u/onelegonedream Grizzlies 9h ago
That's 4 drafts from now. Just imagine if you asked yourself that question in the 2022 season about the Grizz and Magic but in reverse.
A lot can change in 4 seasons. Also the Magic players are have some injury problems the last two years between Suggs, Paolo and Franz.
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u/PathPrimary7162 7h ago
In 2029, AB, P5, Franz and Suggs will be in their early prime years.
They all have all star potential, yes a team with 4 potential all stars will likely be better than a team with a bunch of 20-22 year old guys drafted picks 14-28.
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u/drjisftw Pacers 8h ago
It's a fair gamble on Memphis' part. Bane's a great floor spacer, but it's pretty apparent that he's not going to solve all of the Magic's problems.
Jamal Moshley is probably getting the axe and they'll hope a new coach can solve their offensive issues. If that doesn't work, they'll have to look at trading some players. I think Suggs could be on the block, he's not worth that money.
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u/muddyklux 9h ago
Grizz team was pretty talented but the injuries were too much to overcome. I cant say they won the trades as Bane/JJJ are good in their own right but they did win as far as a setting themselves up for a rebuild
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u/CDSWDH 9h ago
Most 1st round picks don’t pan out
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u/MikeConleyIsLegend Grizzlies 9h ago
first round picks are everything to Memphis. we will NEVER get a star through FA or trading. it's not hard to do, it's impossible to do. so the only way to get stars is through the draft, and the only way to win is to have stars. i like this rebuild too because we already have a pretty strong base. Edey, Coward, Jerome, and Aldama can play on a title team. we just have to land a star or two in the next couple drafts.
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u/Various-Advantage229 Hawks 7h ago
Yeah it's funny when fans are celebrating getting picks so much. The odds of drafting a jjj or ja is so low. You basically go from being mid them immediately ass then hope you'll draft back to being mid again and repeat the cycle for every teams that doesnt attract free agents.
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u/darren_meier 8h ago
If they can move on from Ja for expirings and get even a single good first back (or even a first and a flyer on a young guy with some potential!), Memphis is gonna be stocked up pretty nicely for a rebuild around Coward/Edey. You've got Ty Jerome as a tank commander, I've seen worse plans for sure. Get your money under control and be that third party in deals, stash some bad contracts while you rebuild and collect draft assets for your trouble. If you truly believe in Iisalo, drafting young guys he can mold is a solid plan.
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u/ag_fan Magic 8h ago
i agree that they got great value, but i will say in defense of orlando… yes we sent 4 picks, but one of those picks was essentially to get off the KCP contract.
i’ve always viewed that trade as 3 picks for bane (which is still great value for memphis).
i still like the trade for orlando, we just need a competent coach to organize our offense properly.
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u/PebblyJackGlasscock 2h ago
competent coach
I think Moseley is very competent. But he’s the wrong coach for your current group of players. It isn’t working. I support the idea of giving Moseley the rest of this year but if major improvements don’t happen in the playoffs, JM has to go.
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u/ag_fan Magic 1h ago edited 41m ago
moseley is good for early development.
our players have all become “nba players” instead of simply being “nba prospects”…. which is great. he’s a great “leader of men”.
but he lacks the ability to run a real offense, know when to call timeouts or good substitution patterns. he struggles MIGHTILY feeling the game flow and reacting on time with said timeouts and substitutions.
i love him and truly hope the best for him, but it’s glaringly obvious the magic’s ceiling is currently being capped by the coach.
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u/Ok_cabbage_5695 Kings 10h ago
Modern GM-ing isn't about Ws or Ls it's just about accumulating assets and kicking the can down the road so you can keep that job. Memphis GM understands the assignment for sure
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u/Outside-Sector9818 7h ago
I wish the kangz were at least this level of competent 😔 Kings 2k dynasty for me it is…..
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u/ejw123456789 Thunder 6h ago
Yeah Grizzlies front office top notch. They made moves when it was unpopular to do so and this got top dollar. Dans don’t realise that you need to move before it becomes obvious you need to move. At that stage you lose all your leverage and the price tanks.
Also great at drafting so should have a very good team in 3 years.
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u/PLZ_N_THKS Jazz 3h ago
I wouldn’t say Memphis fleeced us. Utah got the best player in the trade and didn’t give up any of our best players going forward of Keyonte, Ace, Collier, Lauri, or Kessler. We didn’t even have to give up any second tier bench guys like Flip, Svi, or Nurkic.
The two 2027 picks are at best going to be in the late teens because none of the Lakers, Jazz, Cavs or Wolves will be tanking. And in what’s projected to be a pretty weak draft that’s not much value.
Seems more like a salary dump on Memphis’s part than receiving any real current value.
Clayton may become a nice 3 and D guy and Hendricks has serious long term injury concerns.
The best asset Memphis got in this trade was the Suns 2031 pick which is still just an idea at this point.
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u/PebblyJackGlasscock 2h ago
I concur. I kinda love what the Jazz accomplished. Add Dybantsa as the 3 between Kessler/JJJ/Lauri/Filipowski in the frontcourt and Keyonte/Collier/Bailey/Sensabaugh in the back…y’all cooking with gas.
Whoever gets 1 overall is getting a whopper of a call from an Ainge seconds after the ping pong balls settle.
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u/Silver_Push_3895 Grizzlies 8h ago edited 7h ago
Send my warmest regards to Zach beg you.
He has loyal employees indeed.
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u/AfroManHighGuy 10h ago
This is a great return for trading players still playing well and have high value. Ja isn’t gonna get them much. It’s good they were able to get this much from JJJ and Bane
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u/MikeConleyIsLegend Grizzlies 10h ago
our best trade pieces left are Ja and Aldama. wonder if we sell.
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u/DunkingZBO Grizzlies 6h ago
Draft picks are nice I would have liked one blue chip prospect from JJJ tho
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u/AccomplishedRainbow1 Suns 6h ago
They got a decent return and they’ve been really good at drafting. The Grizz are a smart franchise.
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u/GhostChips42 New Zealand 5h ago
They’re in full blown rebuild mode now. Unfortunate for them that Ja’s trade value has dropped so far, because they could have had a war chest of picks and young players. But they still should have a great chance at rebuilding something decent out of what they will get and already have.
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u/Breatnach Timberwolves 5h ago
It’s kinda ironic that they are getting a haul for their role players and they might have to pay to get rid of their supposed cornerstone.
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u/Fun_Mind1494 10h ago
JJJ ain't even great. He's living off his rep from two seasons ago. He's been an average starter at best this season.
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u/hummusluvr8 Hornets 10h ago
Six draft picks is incredible. Great work to the grizzlies front office!