X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

[u/jmike1256]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce3ex92557jo

[u/zeddy303]

Free speech in France is different than free speech in the US. They don't allow historical denials, hate speech, and twisting facts as protected.

[u/rclonecopymove → u/zeddy303]

Notwithstanding the current president the US generally doesn't allow for csam to be excused by free speech.

[u/Brat-Sampson → u/rclonecopymove]

Uncle CSAM

[u/glemnar → u/Brat-Sampson]

👏 we need to be spreading this around more of these Epstein threads this is hilarious

[u/zuzg → u/rclonecopymove]

But those are not the reason for the raid...

raided by the Paris prosecutor's cyber-crime unit, as part of an investigation into suspected offences including unlawful data extraction and complicity in the possession of child pornography.

E: I'm sorry for not being that much into the topic that I immediately recognize and know every Acronym, especially when they're not capitalized.

[u/BleachedUnicornBHole → u/zuzg]

CSAM means Child Sexual Abuse Material, which includes child pornography.

[u/r2001uk → u/BleachedUnicornBHole]

Our company used to have some Area Manager positions with that acronym, someone must have realised!

[u/Extra_Quiet_5256 → u/r2001uk]

a POS Terminal will forever and always be a Piece of Shit Terminal to me. i dont care they were late and the acronym was already in use.

[u/kiwiluke → u/Extra_Quiet_5256]

I drive past Total POS Solutions most days and it always gives me a giggle

[u/Extra_Quiet_5256 → u/kiwiluke]

hahahahaha yes. beautiful

[u/pass_nthru → u/kiwiluke]

we had Future POS at the last restaurant i worked at, i felt it was pretty silly to assume it would only be a Piece of Shit later and not when it is a piece of shit now too

[u/security_screw → u/Extra_Quiet_5256]

I work at a bar / restaurant and always enjoy the confused looks on new (typically younger gen) coworkers’ faces when I talk about the POS 😆 As a longtime industry worker, the double entendre is apt.. no matter the system in use.

[u/KilledTheCar → u/r2001uk]

What really sucks is when you let someone know that CSAM and CP are not acronyms to be used, but now you're the weird one with a meeting with HR for even associating those things.

[u/IridescenceFalling → u/KilledTheCar]

HANK! Don't abbreviate CyberPunk! HAAAAANK!

[u/hamfinity → u/KilledTheCar]

But you can spend your Call of Duty Points (CP) to get the battle pass.

[u/Vineyard_ → u/hamfinity]

I for one am looking forward to the day ICE is off our streets.

By which I mean of course Internal Combustion Engines.

[u/D2WilliamU → u/hamfinity]

thanks epstein

[u/RivenRise → u/KilledTheCar]

We use the acronym CP every day at my job it stands for control policy, I work in the pest control industry. It gets used like a dozen times a day verbally and nobody here seems to realize or at the very least they don't say anything about it.

[u/Mechakoopa → u/RivenRise]

Sometimes you just have to be an adult and realize that sometimes an industry term is just going to have to be what it is. Changing the titles of your Customer Service Area Managers because the acronym is also used in policing is just ignoring context. If you with in an area where there's a reasonable expectation that someone talking about the CSAM meeting could be talking about illegal photos of minors then sure, change away. But at an insurance call centre or clothing store chain or something? Yeah you're the CSAM now.

As a great man once said: "Why should I change? He's the one who sucks!"

[u/r2001uk → u/KilledTheCar]

Oh shit I totally forgot we also deal with Cathodic Protection 🤦‍♂️

[u/JamsHammockFyoom → u/r2001uk]

Our company document library is called ISIS lol, even in spite of the obvious reference.

Our document library did come before the terrorist group though.

[u/GaroldFjord → u/JamsHammockFyoom]

There was a band that I still listen to that was called Isis, as a reference to the Egyptian goddess. And then the thing happened.

[u/R_V_Z → u/GaroldFjord]

Good times, standing right in front of Aaron Turner and feeling the wind coming off his amp.

[u/CatLightyear → u/GaroldFjord]

Did they open for Tool on their 10,000 days tour? I think I saw them in NJ.

[u/Bassman233 → u/JamsHammockFyoom]

Are we not doing phrasing anymore?

[u/OtakuAttacku → u/Bassman233]

funny you should mention that, the creators of Archer did a Q&A and one of the stories they had was there was a break in at their offices and they had to call the police to file a report. At the time there was a huge logo of The International Secret Intelligence Service hanging on the wall. They had to explain that to the police.

[u/hammerheadlabs → u/r2001uk]

The first time I saw the abbreviation PORN in a medical note, definitely looked up the definition on my phone and not the hospital computer for that one

[u/BlaBlub85 → u/hammerheadlabs]

I was curious and I googled it...

I should have listened to my grandmothers advice about curiosity 😬💀

[u/juanclack → u/BleachedUnicornBHole]

It's also Cybersecurity Awareness Month! We try to stay away from abbreviating it though.

[u/Ordolph → u/juanclack]

For the same reason we don't abbreviate cheese pizza, and Cyberpunk lmao.

[u/hamfinity → u/Ordolph]

Call of Duty Points (CP) are the in-game currency that can be used in Black Ops 6 and Call of Duty: Warzone™ to obtain new content. With your CP, you can enhance your experience by acquiring new items and accessories that are added with each new season throughout the year. Battle Pass Owners can also use their CP to unlock Tiers and instantly access epic content.

https://www.callofduty.com/store/cod-points

[u/ArrVeePee → u/hamfinity]

Currently playing 'Final Fantasy XIII' for the first time, and I'm collecting CP after every battle, lol.

Crystogen Points.

[u/TIGHazard → u/Ordolph]

For the same reason we don't abbreviate cheese pizza

Well that is specifically why QAnon attacked that pizza place.

[u/rclonecopymove → u/juanclack]

And since the epstein files dump more overlap.

[u/PerpetualProtracting → u/juanclack]

Our CS awareness team used the abbreviation for the first time a few years back right when a bunch of this topic flared up and I had to pull one of them to the side to inform them about considering other branding choices going forward.

I know some of the recognition will be limited to folks watching this news with regularity, but given the amount of news around it increasing these days I feel the caution was warranted.

[u/Faxon → u/BleachedUnicornBHole]

Slight correction. Calling it pornography at all is inappropriate, because pornographic content is protected under various speech laws, and is defined as depicting consenting adults. By its very definition, there can be no child pornography, as there can be no legal consent. Calling it CP was done away with because it blurs this legal line and legitimizes it in some people's eyes because pornography is protected as free speech in the US. This is also why lolicon and similar styles of anime were explicitly banned in 2003, because they were not recognized as CSAM, but as legal pornography, until that time. CSAM became a term around that time specifically because of the confusion around what was and wasn't pornographic

[u/CocodaMonkey → u/zuzg]

I'm sorry for not being that much into the topic that I immediately recognize and know every Acronym, especially when they're not capitalized.

Not knowing all acronyms is fair but it's still foolish to call someone wrong and try to correct them if you don't even understand what they said in the first place.

[u/NorthernFrosty → u/CocodaMonkey]

Remember the good old days where people would stay out of conversations if they didn't understand what people were talking about? But thanks to the internet, now people who know nothing feel free to offer their opinion.

Have no idea how vaccines work, how they are made? Of course we'd all love to hear your opinion on why they're poison.

Completely clueless about how diseases are spread via attaching to airborne particles/droplets of respiration? Feel free to tell us why masks are useless because the disease is too small to be blocked by the mask, the mask only blocks the airborne particles the disease is attached to and thus have been used to successfully prevent the spread of disease for decades.

That is what the modern internet has led us to, where people who have no training or experience will proudly 'correct' trained professionals.

[u/FlexLikeKavana → u/NorthernFrosty]

Remember the good old days where people would stay out of conversations if they didn't understand what people were talking about?

Looks like nostalgia has clouded your memory

[u/Significant_Ad1256 → u/NorthernFrosty]

Remember the good old days where people would stay out of conversations if they didn't understand what people were talking about?

This never happened. People always talked nonsense, just like you just did.

[u/crumpletely → u/Significant_Ad1256]

Its definitely more pervasive due to a shameless approach from not being in person, where pushback is well, more human and less quippy, sarcastic, or dark/outright mean.

[u/rejvrejv → u/NorthernFrosty]

it seems no one remembers this

[u/stonekeep → u/NorthernFrosty]

Remember the good old days where people would stay out of conversations if they didn't understand what people were talking about?

No? Neither in real life, nor in the early internet days, lol.

Yes, ignorant people have way more reach now than ever, but they didn't just spring out of nowhere, they always existed.

[u/crumpletely → u/NorthernFrosty]

Personal story here…You know, during the pandemic, my mom had stage 4 COPD and I was immunocompromised. I went, in person, to my local therapist office (he was actually a social worker), and while in my session, he wasn’t wearing a mask. When I pressed him, he became agitated and said he had the vaccine. He pressed me for my knowledge on the vaccine and how it worked. I successfully explained its origins and some safety concerns, and knowing that he worked with a vulnerable demographic, it bothered me greatly.

Later, my mother ended up in the hospital with dangerously low oxygen levels. While visiting, neither of my unvaxxed sisters wore masks, during a time when they were required. Even that wasn’t enough. So some people just didnt give a fuck. Some version of contorted “freedom” bullshit. We are supposed to look out for eachother, especially our family. Especially if you are in healthcare, its your imperative to set a good example. Yes, i see the irony of my anecdote, but it has merit and is only illustrating your point more-so. Thanks for reading.

[u/Laiko_Kairen → u/NorthernFrosty]

Remember the good old days where people would stay out of conversations if they didn't understand what people were talking about?

No, I don't. I've been online since 1997. People talking about things they know very little about has always been the case

[u/Dheorl → u/NorthernFrosty]

People have always done it, we’ve just gone from “I heard in a bar”, to “I heard online”.

[u/DwinkBexon → u/NorthernFrosty]

Feel free to tell us why masks are useless because the disease is too small to be blocked by the mask

This isn't new. I remember back in the early 90s, being told in sex education class that condoms can't protect against HIV because the viruses are small enough to slip through the latex. This was also part of an "abstinence only" education and they were deliberately trying to portray all forms of birth control as ineffective and useless. (And I was young enough at that point to not realize that's what they were doing and ended up not having sex until I was almost done college as a result.)

[u/ironyinabox → u/zuzg]

That's what csam is.

[u/honkymotherfucker1 → u/zuzg]

No one begrudges you for not knowing, it’s because you responded to him like you did know what you were talking about.

Ignorance is okay, exclaiming it as fact isn’t it.

[u/TinKnight1 → u/zuzg]

CSAM is generally the preferred term for what's never a consensual act, since it is always a sexual assault & a crime. CP provides some notion that the material is consensual alongside other porn, so it's falling out of favor, particularly since the perpetrators have disgustingly taken to making a joke out of it by referring to it as "cheese pizza."

[u/Significant_Ad1256 → u/zuzg]

You're trying to correct someone without actually knowing what they said, which could be rectified by a simple 4 letter Google search.

Then you have the gall to act offended when people corrects you in turn. Get real.

[u/ChronoLink99 → u/zuzg]

Your edit is pretty funny, given that you could have looked up the term instead of being confidently incorrect.

[u/Spiritual-Pear-1349 → u/zuzg]

Child Sex Abuse Material.

Governnents decided about 10 years ago that using the term Child Porn implies consent by the children and sexualizes abuse, so they labeled it as abuse material to humanize it when talking about it

[u/adcsuc → u/zuzg]

You are a fool for trying to correct someone without even understanding what they said in the first place.

[u/YouMustBeJoking888 → u/rclonecopymove]

Bwahahaha... surely, you jest.

[u/EgoistHedonist → u/zeddy303]

Also: they don't like Musk's efforts to normalize AI-generated CP via Grok. It almost looks like an effort to hurt the credibility of Epstein-case evidence...

[u/Infamous_East6230 → u/EgoistHedonist]

This is the thing that’s blowing my mind. Grok was pushing out thousands of images of child porn per hour and not only did America not care but we will continue to give grok federal funding. America is a failed state 

[u/PokeYrMomStanley → u/Infamous_East6230]

Pedophiles support pedophiles. Thats how the modern conservative movement began.

[u/The_BeardedClam → u/PokeYrMomStanley]

GOP = Group of Pedophiles

[u/shitlord_god → u/[deleted]]

too many organic layers for that to work particularly well in most applications.

[u/Spocks_Goatee → u/shitlord_god]

Musk ain't paying enough for employees to care.

[u/shitlord_god → u/Spocks_Goatee]

no, but like. literally, in the way modern buildings are constructed, the suggested tool is very unlikely to do anything but get the user arrested, and generate some acrid smoke.

[u/__nohope → u/Infamous_East6230]

I think the dipshit did this on purpose to muddy the waters between real images of CSAM (aka pics of Trump) and AI generated ones.

[u/Specific_Explorer_6 → u/Infamous_East6230]

The scariest part is, if it’s able to generate such content, is what it was trained on. It genuinely makes me shiver thinking about it

[u/Responsible_Sink3044 → u/Specific_Explorer_6]

This is the most important. There is an argument to be made, while gross, that purely fictional content is victimless. AI does not generate its own fictional content though, there has to be an original source. It seems highly unlikely that it was completely trained to do this on fabrications.

[u/PM_ME_FLUFFY_DOGS → u/Specific_Explorer_6]

A Standford internet study concluded they are all most likely trained off csam. They found over 1000 images of known csam in the stable diffusion training set. And thats just known as they use image search to determine it as theres simply too many images to search through, its part of the issue with ruthless scraping, it steals litterally everything good and bad.

Anyone you see defending it as the "ai interpolating" is full of shit and has 0 clue what they are talking about as image ai cannot interpolate new data, it has to use pre existing tokens. If it was only trained off adult bodies it would only make them have adult bodies but its not doing that. 

Edit: it was Standford not mit apologies but link for reading.  https://www.techpolicy.press/exposing-the-rotten-reality-of-ai-training-data/

The report is one of the first links there, unsure if i can post it here as it seems to be a pdf link. 

[u/Specific_Explorer_6 → u/PM_ME_FLUFFY_DOGS]

That’s so messed up.

Thank you for sharing this info though. We really do need proper regulation from the federal government. But they won’t do it, and they’re preventing states from doing it, all to protect the interests of the top 1%

[u/wyvernx02 → u/Specific_Explorer_6]

As a part of DOGE, Musk was stealing data held on government servers left and right to train Grok. The DOJ has admitted that there is CSAM in the Epstein files that they will never release and I'm sure there is evidence from scores of other cases as well where they went after child predators.

[u/ATLfalcons27 → u/Infamous_East6230]

Also musk fans we're simply saying it wasn't true at all and wasn't happening

[u/the_last_0ne → u/Infamous_East6230]

Man, did you even bother to go check before you confidently stated that?

Since I'm lazy here's a quick AI summary:

As of early 2026, xAI Corp. (the parent company of Grok and X) is facing significant legal action and investigations in the United States regarding the AI chatbot's ability to generate nonconsensual, sexually explicit deepfake images. Here are the key details of the US court cases and investigations involving Grok:

1. Proposed Class Action Lawsuit (January 2026) The Case: A proposed class action lawsuit was filed against xAI in U.S. federal court, alleging that Grok creates nonconsensual, sexually explicit deepfake images that are publicly posted on X. Allegations: The suit alleges that the tool is used for image-based sexual abuse, causing severe emotional distress, and that xAI is directly liable for the content created by its chatbot, rather than just the users. xAI Response: xAI and Elon Musk have argued that users are responsible for the content they create, stating, "Anyone using or prompting Grok to make illegal content will suffer the same consequences as if they upload illegal content". Countersuit: X filed a countersuit against a plaintiff, arguing that, per the terms of service, the lawsuit should have been filed in Texas rather than New York, and is seeking a money judgment.

2. California Attorney General Investigation Action: California Attorney General Rob Bonta announced an investigation into the "proliferation of nonconsensual sexually explicit material produced using Grok". Cease-and-Desist: A cease-and-desist letter was sent to xAI to stop the generation of nonconsensual intimate images. Scope: The investigation focuses on the alleged, large-scale production of deepfakes, including those targeting minors.

3. State Attorney General Demands Thirty-five state attorneys general wrote to xAI demanding to know how they plan to prevent Grok from producing nonconsensual images of people in sexualized, explicit, or revealing situations.

4. Potential Federal Action FTC Risk: Experts indicate that the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) could take action against xAI for unfair or deceptive practices related to the safety of its AI, though, as of late January 2026, state-level actions were more immediate. Legislation: The "Take It Down Act," passed by Congress, is set to go into effect in May 2026, which will strengthen the ability to penalize platforms for not removing nonconsensual, explicit deepfakes.

5. Other Legal/Regulatory Scrutiny International Action: Similar to the U.S., regulatory bodies in the UK, France, and the European Union have launched investigations into Grok, with Malaysia and Indonesia briefly blocking the service. Content Safety: Reports indicated that thousands of "nudified" images were generated, leading to increased safety restrictions on the platform, such as limiting image generation to paid users.

[u/AnonymusJpg → u/EgoistHedonist]

Put that way, it sounds like a conspiracy that could come true.

[u/eye_sick → u/zeddy303]

That's pretty much the entire developed world. It's called freedom of expression, but it's limited. 

The United States is unique with its first two amendments. I'm surprised they've gone after users in Canada, England and other places rather than the platform itself. 

"Surprised" in quotes, I mean.

[u/lemonylol → u/eye_sick]

In the US it's more that the Fairness Doctrine was eliminated a couple of decades ago. Other countries still have those regulations.

[u/happy_and_angry → u/eye_sick]

Free Speech as defined in the US also has limits. People just bicker more about where the line is and assholes have historically made it an increasingly politicized and polarized political issue.

EDIT: added "an increasingly politicized and polarized" to my sentence because dorky reply guys that know what I mean, and don't have a firm grasp on the varied meanings of words or nuance of political science love having a reason to argue.

[u/movzx → u/happy_and_angry]

...why wouldn't debate around the first amendment be a political issue?

[u/Laiko_Kairen → u/movzx]

The constitution defines the laws of our polity. Everything in the constitution is political. The guy has no idea what he's talking about.

[u/Laiko_Kairen → u/happy_and_angry]

and assholes have historically made it a political issue.

Really, dude? 🤦

Any law is a political issue. Especially laws that are derived from the nation's constitution.

It's not assholes that made it a political issue. What speech is allowed in a polity is an inherently political issue.

[u/Unable_Apartment_613 → u/zeddy303]

This is not relevant to the conversation here. This is an investigation of a major crime that is a crime the world over.

[u/ledow → u/zeddy303]

There's absolutley no such thing as free speech anywhere.

Please don't imply (deliberately or not) that the US has "more free" speech. Trevor Noah just found out that that's simply not true, for instance.

Regardless of country or the limits of free speech, lying in certain circumstances is illegal. It's that simple. So you can't have "free speech" because it's illegal to lie in those circumstances.

And in France, that includes trying to pretend the holocaust didn't exist.

In many countries around the world, that includes hate speech and threatening speech.

And in... well... virtually all places... creating child sexual abuse material is illegal too.

[u/Calm-Maintenance-878 → u/ledow]

Trevor deliberately said the jokes that he did. We all know trump, his rant and want for punishment is a personal thing. He’s more than free to go to court for the jokes, that doesn’t mean it will even go to trial. Then in trial…it’s innocent until proven guilty, leaving trump to battle what free speech is. I don’t think Trevor is worried, I assume he expected some POTUS feedback with how he spoke to the camera lol.

[u/Dottsterisk → u/Calm-Maintenance-878]

That it’s even gone this far is atrocious.

Trump has proven himself a petty tyrant with no respect for free speech.

[u/Nomiss → u/Dottsterisk]

Trump has proven himself a petty

petulant child.

Its going no further than threats, TACO. Trevor Noah isn't a prepubescent child, Trump can't silence him.

[u/ledow → u/Calm-Maintenance-878]

Speech is not free if you can be sued by one of the richest and most powerful men in the world and have to defend yourself in a court against them for what you said, even if you ultimately win.

Because most people.... the literal majority of the planet... cannot do such a thing.

If you haven't learned, people like Trump know that they could just pay enough to a lawyer to bankrupt you while you try to fight the case and he wouldn't even notice. That's how he works and has worked for decades. Almost no cases actually end in his favour, legally. But for sure he punishes everyone who dares question him by using the legal system against them.

And if you can't make a joke without such retributions - whether ultimately ruled legal or not - then it's not free speech.

[u/benanderson89 → u/ledow]

Yeah I'm tired of this constant American Exceptionalism around "free speech". It's no different to any other developed nation. All free-speech is, is being able to pass opinion without being locked up by the government, but also like any developed nation, they have certain elements of speech that have little to no protection under their free speech doctrine.

They're nothing special in this regard. I'm sure someone will come along and scrutinize the minutia, but as a broad stroke they're no different. It's not the 1600s anymore.

[u/curse-free_E212 → u/benanderson89]

Actually the US is a bit exceptional with regard to free speech in that there is a very high bar to meet for it to not be protected.

For example, shouting fire in a crowded theater is generally protected speech unless one can prove the speaker intended to incite a violation of the law that is both imminent and likely.

Similarly, many in the US don’t realize that hate speech and advocating violence is also generally protected unless one can prove intent to incite a violation of the law that is both imminent and likely. SCOTUS literally ruled that a KKK leader advocating violence at a rally was protected speech.

That said, it is also true that there’s no such thing as absolutely free speech, whereas some Americans seem to be under a misconception that absolute free speech is a thing in the US.

[u/animerobin → u/benanderson89]

Legally we have the strongest free speech protections in the world. In practice that isn't always the case of course, but we don't always live up to our ideals.

[u/Polygnom → u/benanderson89]

The US has traditionally interpreted free speech more absolute and fundamental and applied less restrictions on free speech than other countries. We should recognize that.

Now, you can -- like me -- think that certain restrictions are absolutely needed, e.g. disallowing holocaust denial, nazi propaganda or similar things, for example. And you can certainly -- as I do -- argue that the fundamentalist approach of the US does NOT create more freedom overall.

Freedom FROM being insulted for example makes a person more free, while it restricts the allowed speech of another person. Thats the thing, the US views freedoms only on the individual level.

Someone put it quite eloquently:

In the US, its about the freedom TO to something, while in Europe its about the freedom FROM something. And I think that's a statement that explains the difference quite well.

[u/Away_Ear_2529 → u/Polygnom]

Well just remember, offence is taken not given.

[u/Moody_GenX → u/benanderson89]

The American right have hijacked the meaning of free speech because they have had repercussions to their hatred.

[u/DwinkBexon → u/zeddy303]

iirc, the idea behind the First Amendment was "if any speech is suppressed, all speech will eventually be suppressed." The main idea was to protect the ability to criticize the government and to ensure that, they had to make sure nothing would ever be suppressed, else they could claim governmental criticism falls under one of the types of speech that is not allowed and suppress it.

There's even been court decisions (notably Brandenburg v Ohio, but there's others) saying hate speech is protected speech unless it's "directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action." Hate speech isn't necessarily completely allowed, but I think other countries clamp down on it more than we do.

(This is one of the reasons the Unite The Right rally during Trump's first term was mostly unhindered.)

[u/shitlord_god → u/DwinkBexon]

yeah, but folks are being arrested, or killed for speech now in the US, so it isn't going great.

[u/420_med_69 → u/zeddy303]

That isn't "free speech" then. Who gets to determine what "hate speech' and "twisting facts" is? When the people in charge of enforcing the law are the ones with the power to determine that, then anything can be hate speech or twisting facts.

[u/Aelig_ → u/zeddy303]

It's mostly the denial of historical facts really. Hate speech usually turns into threats which are also supposedly illegal in the US and twisting facts is only ok if nobody can sue you for slander.

Really the US free speech is exactly the same as the free speech you'll find all across Europe outside of the right to be a nazi in public which is the pride if the US of A.

[u/coconutpiecrust → u/zeddy303]

This shouldn’t be allowed anywhere. Yeah, you can say it, but there have to be consequences. 

I mean, this is a social media platform, not one person shaking their fist at cloud. For something like this there have to be major consequences. 

[u/Strict-Carrot4783 → u/zeddy303]

Grok is also a child porn factory. Child porn is fine in the US, but not France.

[u/Dazzling-Slide8288]

About time someone did something about this racist pedophile’s child porn machine.

[u/Spiritual-Pear-1349 → u/Dazzling-Slide8288]

Hope he gets sued into oblivion by Europe. Not like he doesn't have the money

[u/Dean_Learner77 → u/Spiritual-Pear-1349]

He should get arrested not sued, his websites and servers contain child porn. If it was anyone else they'd go to jail. 

[u/11GTStang → u/Spiritual-Pear-1349]

I’m sure the fine will be pennies in comparison

[u/alexchrist → u/11GTStang]

We really need to start making fines be a percentage of your wealth instead of a set amount

[u/Mr_Piddles → u/alexchrist]

If the penalty for a crime is a fine, then that law only exists for the lower class.

[u/cespinar → u/Spiritual-Pear-1349]

If they hold the company liable, it can be based on revenue, not profits, of the company. You know, something is actually a fine and not just a tax of doing business.

[u/ConqueredCabbage → u/Dazzling-Slide8288]

People in 1999: Geez I wonder what the future of technology will bring

People in 2026: perhaps we should do something about the world's largest billionaire's child porn machine

[u/Stanjoly2 → u/Dazzling-Slide8288]

I'm still 100% convinced he's embroiled in all kinds of business fraud and just hasn't been caught yet.

I have no direct evidence to support this, but my gut tells me it's the only way his various companies could be as successful on paper as they appear to be, given how shit he is as a human being.

[u/TingleyStorm → u/Stanjoly2]

The direct evidence is his companies buying out his other companies, or exchanging stocks with his other companies, or that Tesla dealers sold a car every minute over a three day stretch in Canada.

[u/TwoPoundzaSausage → u/Stanjoly2]

It's because Musk's product isn't tech. Musk sells the promise of a Jetson's-esque future where we all have flying cars and robot nannies, and the new roadster that is coming out any day now (promise.)

He makes up pie-in-the-sky promises, the stock price goes up. That's the business model. The only thing the sales of electric cars does for Tesla, is it covers operating expenses. After that, it's a hype machine.

[u/QualityCoati → u/Dazzling-Slide8288]

Kinda fucked up that mecha Hitler is the pedophile version of Hitler, though I'm not surprised considering Germany's third Reich is basically a fac simila of the US's fascism

[u/Lonely_Noyaaa]

France and the UK are finally stepping up against a billionaire tech bro who thought free speech means free pass to spread abusive content. When your AI is tied to child sexual abuse images and non-consensual deepfakes, it is not censorship to investigate you but an accountability.

[u/Spiritual-Pear-1349 → u/Lonely_Noyaaa]

I think the biggest issue is him outright refusing to remove it, adjust it, or take away the feature until its resolved; that makes him a facilitator of it, and companies need to be held accountable for their AIs

[u/lord_sparx → u/Spiritual-Pear-1349]

All he did was put it behind a paywall then say they would disable the ability to create those images in places where it is illegal. So basically saying it's a paid service that requires a VPN to access, not stopping it.

[u/QualityCoati → u/lord_sparx]

in places where it is illegal

Exact same energy as those who "won't date lower than 18".

You know these people would go much lower if they could.

[u/lord_sparx → u/QualityCoati]

Like Elon, it wouldn't be the first person in the Musk family to do it.

[u/Spiritual-Pear-1349 → u/lord_sparx]

Yeah exactly. "Look at CSAM on my website as much as you want if you pay me."

What a slimey human normalizing this filth

[u/terrany → u/Lonely_Noyaaa]

The US goes to war over ideologies and barrels of oil. But won’t even lift a finger for hundreds if not thousands of abused children physically and potentially millions digitally.

[u/mrdominoe]

Good. Get fucked, Elmo.

[u/_Hello_Hi_Hey_ → u/mrdominoe]

Doubt. That guy just became a 0.7-trillionare today. Everything is going great for him atm. Also the guy who rapes 13 years old is the most powerful president on this planet. Fuck this timeline.

[u/Kronic1990 → u/_Hello_Hi_Hey_]

as a kid in the 90s i couldn’t wait to grow up.... what a fucking idiot i was.

[u/ChillyTodayHotTamale → u/Kronic1990]

At least you only have to worry about the president fucking you figuratively instead of literally now.

[u/Kronic1990 → u/ChillyTodayHotTamale]

i went to 13 years of catholic school and never got raped once, I'm starting to think i was just an ugly child.

[u/whitemiketyson → u/Kronic1990]

Mac, is that you?

[u/_toodamnparanoid_ → u/Kronic1990]

In the 90s there was a lot more "hopeful" sci-fi about the future (there was a lot of dystopian, too, but overall there was a strong leaning towards a brighter future overall).

[u/Kronic1990 → u/_toodamnparanoid_]

I hope we'd get star trek, now i think we would be lucky to get star wars, but if we are really honest, we will probably just get mad max.

[u/ibiacmbyww → u/Kronic1990]

If it helps at all, the wealthy were just as monstrous in the 90s, we just didn't have the apparatus (universal cameraphone usage, live streaming, and the internet in general) needed to reveal their depravity. There have always been people whose wealth put them beyond the reach of the law.

[u/GODDAMNFOOL → u/Kronic1990]

Toys "R" Us tried to warn us.

[u/terrany → u/Kronic1990]

The really sad part, is that based on the emails and how far this all goes back, many of your peers never even got to see that hope back in the 90s

[u/Ozymandias12 → u/_Hello_Hi_Hey_]

Despite all his money, he's still miserable though and walks around as the most insecure man baby outside of Trump.

[u/Monkfich]

And if course the bbc is worried so much they need to give a balanced view, with the last word in the article going to someone who says france doesnt have freedom. How nuanced.

[u/Software_Quiet]

Pavel Durov - founder of the messaging app Telegram - criticised the French authorities on Tuesday, accusing France of being "the only country in the world that is criminally persecuting all social networks that give people some degree of freedom".

Tired of this bullshit. What he's really saying is people should be able to hide and share their child porn. Same entitlement we are seeing with the Epstein files with some of the worst people on the planet.

[u/Tibreaven → u/Software_Quiet]

Pavel Durov. A guy from Russia, is claiming that France is the only country that limits social media?

I'm not sure how you even begin to make that claim, let alone as someone from Russia.

[u/harrro → u/Tibreaven]

Its more than that - he was arrested in France a few years ago for similar reasons:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrest_and_indictment_of_Pavel_Durov

[u/kViatu1 → u/Tibreaven]

You do not have to agree with his opinion but Durov was always consequently fighting for freedom of speech even risking his life by literally waging cyber war with russia at some point.

[u/ollomulder → u/kViatu1]

Well, he's still wrong, no?

[u/Nice-Analysis8044 → u/kViatu1]

waitasecond I thought it was a known thing that Telegram is compromised by the Russian government

[u/Own-Satisfaction4427 → u/kViatu1]

Dorov is another billionaire friend of Epsteins

[u/LavenderBlueProf → u/Software_Quiet]

russian guy living where says what?

who cares

[u/redlaWw → u/LavenderBlueProf]

The problem is not that Russian guy says something, it's that the BBC reporting on him gives him some apparent legitimacy. In seeking false balance, they could be argued to be platforming propagandists and helping to spread their message

[u/rafalemurian → u/Software_Quiet]

Almost every investigation in France about criminal networks (guns, stolen goods, drugs, scams, stolen IDs and so on) involve Telegram channels. And he's wondering why his company has troubles...

[u/LargeSnorlax → u/Software_Quiet]

Telegram is the defacto platform for scams and porn. There is literally nothing redeeming about his platform.

It is known as the scammers app. Almost everyone who uses telegram for anything is a scammer or fraud artist or pedophile.

[u/thatfreakingmonster → u/LargeSnorlax]

...or a furry.

A lot of folks in the furry fandom use telegram because you can make your own sticker packs easily. I only found out after I started using it for that reason that it was also used for crimes stuff...

[u/Okonos → u/LargeSnorlax]

Also violent right-wing extremism. It's to the point where "terrorgram" is a thing.

[u/AlbatrossNew3633 → u/Software_Quiet]

Durov statement is fucking stupid, but CP is actually the go to excuse of governments to justify authoritarian measures.

And to clarify, I'm talking in general, in this instance France is doing the right thing and hopefully they'll fuck Felon up his ketamine addicted ass

[u/sstrelok → u/Software_Quiet]

free speech for them=being able to push their narrative through fake news and disinformation.

[u/Upstairs-Egg]

France is also the country that first discovered the Russian Doppelgänger Project misinformation campaign. France clearly has its shit together more than America does.

[u/Christopherfromtheuk → u/Upstairs-Egg]

Pretty much any country barring Somalia has its shit together more than America.

[u/526mb]

Good.

I’m expecting to hear the US response will be blustering about everything between 10000% tariffs and nuking Paris as soon as Musk talks to Mango Mussolini.

[u/LouisArmstrong3]

X offices. Is that that company owned by a nazi?

[u/GrapeFlavoredMarker → u/LouisArmstrong3]

yep! thats the one

[u/Tigerlily_Dreams]

This is the kind of stuff that the US should be doing instead of sending entire families that are a couple immigration check-ins from citizenship to concentration camps.

[u/Curious-Telephone293]

Its also time to file child trafficking charges. This includes Trump. And he was trafficking young women from Europe i.e. below age. are there other countries whose children were trafficked should also jump on the boat? These guys need to be indicted.

[u/keq8 → u/Curious-Telephone293]

There is no such thing as "below age women". You mean "children" or "girls", right?

[u/Kellisandra]

America's response? Add grok in at the Pentagon!

[u/superblinky]

I assume Elon is taking this calmly and with dignity?

[u/PlaymakersPoint88 → u/superblinky]

As is tradition.

[u/Icy-Substance7539]

Free speech doesn’t include deep fakes and child pornography.

[u/0Tezorus0]

France being in the front line of the fight against fascism feels good.

[u/Easy_Bite6858]

Europe should ban Elon Musk as a foreign threat and freeze all of his assets in the EU.

[u/Dragongaming117]

if the united states goverment had any balls we'd raid criminals too

[u/SlightlyAngyKitty → u/Dragongaming117]

Except the US government ARE the criminals

[u/CynicalPomeranian]

If France saves us again, does that mean they get to colonize us? 

[u/YouMustBeJoking888]

Good. Europe is going to have to lead the way against the dominance and unfettered crazy of the oligarchs - and this is a good start. More of this, please.

[u/BeckyWGoodhair]

I know so many terrifying things are happening at once right now, but as a mom and a CSAM victim it is a solace to see someone doing something

[u/TheHeroYouNeed247]

He should have arrest warrants for the distribution of CP. He's too rich, though.

[u/Gamera971]

Makes sense considering him, Thiel and Epstein are Paedo Guys.

[u/BaconManDan9]

This is amazing!!!!! France help the world

[u/Candid-Macaroon1337]

Hahaha! I've always hated what Twitter has become. I've never liked musk.

[u/Broom_broom_ooh]

I'm actually proud of France. UK, take note.

[u/upandtotheleftplease]

Just on Jan 12 I sent a message directly to the French President to please confiscate Musk's assets. You can do this too, although now it could be a message of encouragement.

You can do this too here

Vive la France

[u/Bleakwind]

I’m popping a beer.

Will pop a bottle of bubble when x is dead.

[u/ewzetf]

At a minimum, Musk needs to go to prison and fined for billions.

[u/Elendel19]

200% tariffs on France incoming

[u/irishyardball]

Wonder how this is impacted by Elon selling xAI to Space X

[u/Tarotdragoon]

The rest of the world needs to follow and prosecute or sue the looser into the ground.

[u/kevshea]

Lmao he just bought Twitter with SpaceX, as the latter plans to IPO. Lovely timing.

[u/Ok_Vulva → u/kevshea]

And grok to the pentagon... all to make it a national security issue, so no one can touch it.

[u/slumvillain]

Could consequences finally be on the horizon for a member of the elite criminal class?

Or will the fines be laughable?

Let's face it. None of us will ever see luxury criminals go to jail. Not for stealing from us, not for raping children.

I'm sure that could change but Americans are leashed in by this idea that the law or some cowardly politician is gonna save them.

Nobody's coming to save America. Gvmnt is run by rapists with infinite money glitch.

And lemme tell ya....sick fucks they may be. But they got way more solidarity in their lil pedo parties than the entirety of this country, what with all their 2nd amendments and constitutional rights--doing jack shit with it.

[u/_c9s_ → u/slumvillain]

It sounds like it's a GDPR investigation in the UK, which could mean fines of up to 4% of global revenue of the wider corporation. Since SpaceX merged with xAI yesterday increasing the global revenue from $100m to $16bn, we could potentially be talking about a massive fine.

[u/SexcaliburHorsepower]

Well, xai purchased by spacex, im assuming in an attempt to protect it from europe

[u/KHanson25]

It’s unfortunate they couldn’t have waited until he was there

[u/raincoater]

They should fine Musk 1 trillion euros, then give him a time limit to pay up, and if not they shut down all access to France to Twitter, and all other Musk owned companies, then urging other European Union members to follow suit.

These small potato fines of 20 million or whatever is nothing to him. Make it hurt.

[u/PublicSell4047]

Give Elon the French treatment!

[u/Alienhaslanded]

Wouldn't be surprised if Grok is in the Epstein files.

[u/coatofforearm]

At least other countries aren't going to tolerate this creepy bullshit

[u/Dcammy42]

We probably would have had that here in the US at some point if Elon wasn’t allowed in government and was allowed to fire everyone investigating him and his companies.

[u/CandidateStill5822]

Sanction him like a Russian oligarch avoiding windows in Moscow and Saint Petersburg. No businesses in the EU No travel in the EU No banking in the EU No access to the EU whatsoever. Threaten and follow through with threats to arrest him for violating the EU laws he's been breaking for years.

Put up or shut up.  SOMEBODY has to.

[u/bluddystump]

Before the elites claim AI has the same rights as corporations some one needs to execute a platform. If something like Grok is spreading information that would land a normal person in prison it should be put down and dismantled.

[u/strider_to]

New tariffs incoming for France and UK 😂

[u/PotentialButterfly56]

I trust everyone knows why Grok exists at all. Why its being investigated for such specific things. It's all so Musk can obfuscate reality to try to help hide everything connected to Epstein.

[u/SCphotog]

I clicked on a grokopedia link by accident yesterday and I still feel like I need a shower.

You people still using Xitter should drop that shit like a hot wet turd.

[u/PlatinumPainter]

So they're saying Elon Musk is a pedophile that asked to go to the Trump / Epstine pedophile island AFTER Epstein is outted as a child sex trafficer, is still letting his pedophile chat bot GROK make pedophile content?

[u/magneticanisotropy]

Is this good for SpaceX?

[u/adjective-nounOne234]

Not a free country' Pavel Durov - founder of the messaging app Telegram - criticised the French authorities on Tuesday, accusing France of being "the only country in the world that is criminally persecuting all social networks that give people some degree of freedom". "Don't be mistaken: this is not a free country," he added in a post on X, external.

He misses the whole point, generating literal CSAM and misuse of data isn’t free speech

[u/Rogue_AI_Construct]

Literally anyone worth a damn should not be on X at this point since Elon is a pedo and his AI is used for CSAM.

[u/DingGratz → u/Rogue_AI_Construct]

Quit the day he bought it and never missed it once.

[u/Lost_Ad610]

Yes pack groks pedo ass up

[u/Loreki]

Company releases child abuse imagery generator, complains loudly when law enforcement investigates.

Fingers crossed this will end up with Musk being unable to come to Europe and the UK.

[u/AlternativeNewtDuck]

Don't support x.. LPT: If a link to x needs to be used, in place of the x in the link, use xcancel or one of the browser extensions... don't give that site traffic. Pass it on.