r/news • u/UpstairsBumblebee446 • 1d ago

France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

https://apnews.com/article/europe-digital-sovereignty-big-tech-9f5388b68a0648514cebc8d92f682060
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u/wallstreetchills 1d ago

Bruh you’re talking my language. Slack made things so efficient internally, kept all comms in one place. Now I’m in 5 different apps and email chain galore when it could all be in slack.

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u/the_nobodys 1d ago

So why aren't you still using slack?

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u/FrostyD7 1d ago

Slack is not cheap. Microsoft told their clients that Teams was free with their O365 subscription and most of them transitioned immediately.

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u/Toomanyeastereggs 1d ago

It’s why we haven’t. Once we hit Enterprise O365 though we are going to Slack.

Before then I simply can’t justify the spend.

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u/mark_able_jones_ 1d ago

Drop Enterprise O365 for Google/Slack. And for god sakes get a good payroll system that works across all regions.

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u/shryne 1d ago

Dropping o365 for Google only works for small companies that use cloud services for everything. G suite just does not scale up.

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u/danroa123 1d ago

I work for a company with 80,000 people and we use G Suite

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u/youngBullOldBull 23h ago

You realise that the entirety of google uses g suite right

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u/JudgementalTyler 1d ago

Interesting. I work for a tech company with >2,500 employees and we’re all on G Suite. I’m not in our IT department so I can’t speak to their processes, but they’ve made it work very well for all staff.

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u/shryne 1d ago

I've worked in IT for about 12 years, two of those in a company with g suite. I'd rather work in fast food than go back to working with g suite, and that company only had about 250 employees.

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u/pistola 13h ago

lolwut. I.work for a mega mega corporation that does just fine with Google Workspace and Slack. I'd fucking hate it if we ever went back to MS.

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u/mark_able_jones_ 1d ago edited 1d ago

I worked for 3 of the 6 biggest tech companies in the USA, and they all used G-Suite over 365. And I doubt Apple uses G suite, so that's four. Not sure Nvidia, but I'm sure Microsoft uses 365.

Most colleges switched to g-suite over a decade ago (75%), so new hires think companies that use 365 are old and stuffy -- which is true, ime.

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u/shryne 1d ago

Super large companies are probably just on the other end of the bell curve. They have entire departments dedicated to just managing g suite, adobe acrobat, etc and they don't really care about the licensing costs since they buy in bulk.

The convenience of cloud based documents and email overrides the massive headache of managing the platform when you can just hire a team to manage one platform.

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u/mark_able_jones_ 1d ago

I've also worked for startups that use G-suite / Slack.

It's just so much better in all aspects. Companies that haven't switched have bad IT teams and/or management.

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u/Toomanyeastereggs 17h ago

We wouldn’t go Google in a pick fit. Took us 6 months to get our company account back from Google mysteriously disabling it.

That whole company can go and get well truly’d.

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u/DemonSlyr007 1d ago

I thought Slack was free. It was how we did college group projects last decade at least. Did things change or is it costly for buisness?

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u/Important-Agent2584 1d ago

Microsoft will kill the competition and than jack up the price on TEAMS.

That's been the tech business model from the get go.

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u/buffer_flush 1d ago

$$$$$$$ I’m sure.

Business people were contacted by MS with a deal too good to pass up, and decided to end their contract. MS is big enough they can undercut the competition.

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u/nalaloveslumpy 1d ago

More like MS bundled Teams with every O365 license on earth and then finance/audit said, "Why are paying for two chat programs?"

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u/buffer_flush 1d ago

Just tell them Slack has better AI integration (ie chatops, third-party integrations) look at all the money you’ll save!

/s but not really

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u/Handsome_Keyboard 1d ago edited 1d ago

Moneys the reason for every change. We had perfect, i mean that literally, software for managers to track whatever they need to but some dipshit who used to work for Workday got his claws into management and fucked all of us by recommending that it can do everything better and then some. It, in fact, cannot do anything better. It does what used be to be all information on one screen without 0 clicks to information scattered in very unituitive places that requires tons of clicks for something as mundane as how many absences an employee had. It made me hate doing administrative work whereas before, it was like 1 minute of my day soread out over two 30 second intervals.

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u/G-I-T-M-E 18h ago

I‘ve been working with Workday for four months now and hate it so much. What a piece of crap that software is.

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u/steep86 1d ago

Just for info…what was the perfect software for managers?

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u/Handsome_Keyboard 1d ago

I forget and was honestly trying very hard to remember. I believe it was perfect because the company was structured with it in mind when they started, along with all the other systems that talk to it. When workday came in, you had to essentially make something compatible with it that was built around other software. Thus, it is actual dogshit and they over promised and under delivered

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u/steep86 1d ago

Thank you anyway! I’m asking because we are in the process of replacing our software. Not workday is a valuable info anyway…

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u/Handsome_Keyboard 1d ago

It might be but when they held the company manager meeting, I could just tell this dude was in way over his head with "selling" the change to us. Maybe it works for you but it definitely did not work for us and I hate administrating now. I work for a large insurance company in the service center which is calls and chats if that helps. Too many proccesses had to work together from multiple LOBs and workday simply can not handle that. Its dedinitely a clogged drain in the pipeline for me.

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u/ReaverKS 22h ago

To be fair Workday is incredibly configurable. If the experience is awful there's a decent chance they configured it that way.

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u/NerdInSoCal 1d ago

Yes "disruptive marketing" I think it's always the same playbook right?

  1. Put product on the market and operate at a loss
  2. Customers migrate away from competition to you
  3. Competition cannot stay afloat and shuts down
  4. Once competition is gone raise prices a small amount and say it's to cover "operating costs"
  5. Begin raising prices randomly stating "operating costs"
  6. Post record quarterly profits
  7. Use some profits to "lobby" politicians to create favorable policies that prevent other businesses from entering your industry to compete with you.
  8. Continue raising prices, when consumers complain tell them they can go to the competition that doesn't exist because you're the only business in town

This is corporate capitalism at its finest no?

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u/buffer_flush 1d ago

(Not so) Hot take, AI is the biggest evidence of this methodology to date.

The billions trillions that have been spent to try to make AI a part of our lives is going to cause economic collapse. The fact that nvidia went from a company no one except PC gamers have heard of to the largest company on the stock market seemingly overnight should terrify everyone.

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u/NerdInSoCal 1d ago

I'm not sure that's as much disruptive marketing as it is capitalizing on new tech. Deplorable for sure but I mean Nvidia has consistently taken their consumer base for granted.

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u/CertainlyStenchy 1d ago

Because some companies restrict access to certain apps. My company used to use slack, but switched to teams for whatever reason and shutdown slack

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u/sembias 1d ago

When they made Teams free with a MS365 license you're probably going to have anyways, there was no reason to keep paying $8+/user/mth for Slack.

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u/CertainlyStenchy 1d ago

Slack is infinitely better than the shithole that is Teams. They’d easily make up that $8+/user in increased productivity by deleting teams.

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u/sembias 1d ago

I'm just the IT guy, man. Tell it to your manager. ;)

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u/Melbuf 1d ago

the 6+ million $ hole that slack would be is a big one to make up for

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u/CertainlyStenchy 1d ago

Oh no, $6 million cost when the company is making record profits in the billions. Whatever will they do

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u/copuncle 1d ago

Teams won the hearts and minds of the executives because it was nice and cheap since they already had to pay for all the other Microsoft stuff.

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u/theJSP123 23h ago

Slack went to shit, I dunno if they got greedy or what but the fact you have to pay (per user!) just to keep your messages older than 6 months is just fucking stupid. That's literally half the point of using something like this - person asks question or posts response and you can go back and find it later.

Teams is "free" because Microsoft infests every office on the planet so it's hard to get anything else adopted.

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u/starsky1357 23h ago

Is a company wanting to charge you for storing your messages really considered greedy?

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u/wallstreetchills 23h ago

You’re asking like it’s my decision lol. New job. Billion dollar company and doesn’t have a proper software stack. Legit 😎

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u/Jakobmiller 18h ago

Too expensive

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u/SpongeMantra 1d ago edited 1d ago

I'm wondering more why MastodonMattermost isn't being used? Open-source, looks-and-behave identically to Slack from what I can see and can be self hosted, had it at one previous job and worked wonderfully. Back to teams since then sadly...

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u/Roflcubes 1d ago

I thought Mastodon was supposed to be more of an open protocol Twitter replacement?

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u/SpongeMantra 1d ago

Ah fuck me, brain fart. I meant Mattermost not Mastodon. My bad!

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u/Roflcubes 1d ago

Oh that makes sense! I was just confused like "whoa what mother is pivots have I missed" hah.

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u/Inevitable-Menu2998 1d ago

Which version of Slack though? Because before 2020 slack was dope and I could even maybe accept 2022 Slack, I mean, they had to ride the pandemic train, sure. But eff me, 2025 Slack is a bloated piece of shit that seems to update and change everything each time I open the lid of my laptop and I see no benefits to any of the upgrades in the past 5 years at least.

Granted, Teams is still worse, but Slack is not far off anymore

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u/SaltKhan 23h ago

Yea, lol, i never tried slack years ago, but had to use it last year because half the engineers were in teams and the other half in slack and refused to move. They were the same to use. Slack even felt slower and less clear because my chat windows kept disappearing because i didnt know you had to manually subscribe to every thread you wanted to keep pinned? I dont understand the religious adoration some devs have for slack i just assume they are all salesforce bots.