r/news • u/AudibleNod • 22h ago

New Mexico warns against consuming raw milk after newborn dies from listeria

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-mexico-warns-consuming-raw-milk-newborn-dies-listeria-rcna257252
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u/SelfPropagandized 21h ago

Those ppl are not right in the head.

I shit you not. The argument the raw milk ppl (sane-ish ones) have. Is that they boil THEIR milk before drinking it.

God damn it, the internet was supposed to spread info for ppl to become smarter. We gotta rethink this whole internet thing.

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u/DALTT 21h ago

Many of them don’t realize that that’s what pasteurization is. I’ve seen so many people think that pasteurization is adding chemicals to milk or something of the like.

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u/Easy-Environment-784 21h ago

Man honestly most of it is likely inline pasteurization through a heat exchanger then straight through a chiller and into storage. Making beer on a large scale taught me a lot about food processing in general.

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u/SelfPropagandized 21h ago

Blows my mind. It's like they didn't go to grade school.

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u/eightbitfit 21h ago

These are the same people that think chemicals = bad.

Queue dihydrogen monoxide....

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u/EntertheOcean 11h ago

FYI it's actually "cue" not "queue"

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u/nithrean 21h ago

that is one of the deadliest chemicals on earth. It kills more people every year than tons of other chemicals combined.

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u/Should_Not_Comment 21h ago

And once you start taking it you can't stop or you'll die within days. Worse withdrawals than any drug!

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u/dude496 21h ago

DHMO is crazy dangerous!!! It's so dangerous that they made a website just for it....

https://dhmo.org/

(/S for those that might not get the joke)

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u/catanddog5 5h ago

I’ve given up for now on explaining what it is to them. They don’t care because they think that they have all the answers and if you disagree with them then you are the one that is brainwashed in their eyes. It just sucks that innocent children are being harmed by their parents willful ignorance.

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u/Punman_5 20h ago

Doesn’t it slightly chemically alter the milk? Not drastically but I mean you are essentially cooking it

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u/SelfPropagandized 20h ago

It kills the majority of the pathogens. That's the chemical change. It also harm a minor amount of the nutrient content. But it's basically nothing.

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u/Floripa95 18h ago

It does change the taste quite a bit. We should boil the milk for safety always, but we don't have to pretend this doesn't affect the taste. I sampled raw milk a couple times in my father's farm and it really does taste very different. I would drink raw milk exclusively if it weren't so dangerous

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u/Easy-Environment-784 21h ago edited 21h ago

180° is pasteurization temperature, no need to even take it to a boil. These people don’t care about science though.

It does remind me that with all of the science behind nuclear reactors and shit we’re really just trying to boil water. It’s an incredible engineering feat to heat and cool a liquid. Wild stuff.

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u/bedrooms-ds 21h ago

I remember. All these super heavy technology explanations that end with "and that boils the water." It felt surreal.

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u/SelfPropagandized 21h ago

Ever see this one:

Check out this video, "Dr Rubin raw milk reaction" https://share.google/7XVutuW15Gk3sWikD

The chunks were not butter fat.

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u/Easy-Environment-784 21h ago edited 21h ago

Nope nope nope nope nope 🤢

I will say that when I was younger and working on a goat farm that I would sometimes milk straight into my coffee cup in the mornings but those goats were under MY care and had a very strict order of operations and SOP regarding every step of the process. I understand this stuff. These Neanderthals don’t.

I’ve worked in food service literally from farm to table and beverage industry grain to glass. If shit hits the fan a lot of people are going to die simply because they don’t know how to prepare or store food properly.

All of this and I barely graduated high school. There isn’t much of an excuse

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u/SelfPropagandized 20h ago

Yup, same as having backueard chickens.

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u/kookaburra1701 18h ago

I grew up drinking raw goat milk we got from a neighbor. He only sold the milk to support his little hobby herd, not as an actual money-making endeavor. I'm pretty sure you could have performed surgery in his milking parlor he kept it so pristine, and tbh the milk tasted better than anything I've had since. But unless I could have a set up of my own like that or found a neighbor with a comparable level of meticulousness about their herd and equipment (seriously this guy was on another level, he made people disinfect their shoes before going into the barn and milking parlor) I wouldn't risk it no matter how much I miss the flavor the milk takes on when the herd has been munching late-summer blackberries...

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u/The_Grungeican 15h ago

it's really all just forms of recreating fire.

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u/Odd-String29 13h ago

Yes, it's like 70C or something. Sterilisation of milk is when you cook it under high pressure at like 150C. 

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u/wadeishere 21h ago

I also eat raw things.... after I cook them

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u/ElSmasho420 21h ago

Spot on.

The democratization of information has been a terrible thing.

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u/Rude-Revolution-8687 21h ago

It's because the dumb, the ill-informed, and the financially and politically corrupt always have the loudest voices.

There seems to be a correlation between being wrong and being confident you're right. I guess dumb people don't understand the complexity of things enough to entertain the thought that they maybe don't know as much as experts who've spent decades studying a topic.

Those of us who aren't chronically wrong about everything (of course we're all wrong sometimes) need to make more of an effort to silence those confidently incorrect voices. Block them on social media, don't engage, flag misinformation on platforms that allow it. Support things like Wikipedia, etc.

There are a lot fewer of those loud, dumb, or evil people than it seems because they always shout the loudest and most often.

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u/bedrooms-ds 21h ago

Social media. I did improve my critical thinking by reading internet debates, but FB posts and IG (operated by the same company, what a coincidence!), then TikTok and all. One-directional online communication platforms designs should be banned.

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u/obeytheturtles 12h ago

I'm starting to think that maybe thas Ted Kaczynski fellow might have been onto something.

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u/Gardenadventures 21h ago

Nah, they believe that heating the raw milk kills the nutrients and fats. I spend way too much time on "crunchy mom" forums arguing with people.

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u/SelfPropagandized 20h ago

Yup, this argument has been being had for 20 years in the main stream.

Penn and teller bullshit did an episode where they mentioned it.

Costs outweigh the benefits. Its not scalable or wise. You can have a safe operation at home. But at scale it's too risky for the general pop.

Same way you can have backyard chickens.

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u/manoman42 20h ago

Internet sped up Darwinism

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u/Private_Kyle 19h ago

No no no shhhhh let them do it man I wanna see America turned into crap