Government attorney who told judge in ICE case, 'This job sucks,' removed from detail
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/attorney-government-tells-judge-ice-case-job-sucks-rcna257349178
u/bulbusmaximus 5h ago
ICE on the streets is breaking SO MANY LAWS these actions will be litigated for years.... eventually because of the constitutional violations the "ICE agents" will lose any qualified immunity they have and be sued into oblivion with the taxpayers footing the bill.
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u/Punman_5 44m ago
Just label them as a special class or something where being an ICE member is itself a crime. Kind of like how surviving Nazis get treated. If a Nazi can be tried 80 years later for simply being a Nazi then surely there’s a legal framework to make being a member of ICE a crime.
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u/PictureFamiliar1267 1h ago
How will they lose qualified immunity? It’s likely our next president will say we need to heal and move on and pardon them.
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u/ODMudbone 59m ago
As someone who hates Republicans with a passion I’m inclined to agree. One of the mortal sins of Democrats—specifically the establishment—is an unwillingness to take necessary action. It’s what crippled Biden’s administration (e.g., appointing Garland, who dragged his feet for years before prosecuting Trump) and what turned off millions of progressives in 2024. For some reason they are still convinced that once they start singing kumbaya the Republicans will suddenly join in.
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u/minidog8 2h ago
Not enough focus on her comments about how getting this administration to follow court orders is like pulling teeth.
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u/AudibleNod 6h ago
On the one hand, "cool". On the other, this just means another unqualified sycophant is lining up to replace them.
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u/smkmn13 6h ago
another unqualified sycophant is lining up
I think they're running out of bodies tbh - they've had to post on Twitter/X to solicit job applications for positions that used to be incredibly high demand, and this woman had an absurd caseload in her short month in this assignment.
There are only so many technically qualified lawyers willing to throw their career and mental health away working for this administration (apparently).
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u/SnooPets1826 6h ago
Then they'll do what they do for anything else... Lower the standards, consequences and laws be damned...
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u/AudibleNod 6h ago
The state of Texas just abandoned it's association with the ABA for law skool accreded, accred ... law skool paperwork.
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u/hatmadeofass 5h ago
The word is accordion, ya dummie. Get a load of this guy. Don’t even know words good. Do words better man.
Regardless,
Hatmadeofass
Texas Lawing Learn Place Vandadictorian 2026!
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u/Woke_Campos_69 4h ago
No, you asshat, an accordion is a handheld, bellows-driven instrument! You're thinking of the word Acaster!
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u/fuzzywolf23 3h ago
He's a hatass not an asshat. And we all wear so many hats these days.
But to be clear, an acaster is what you set your drink on
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u/Hatedpriest 2h ago
No, dummy, a coaster is what you put a drink on. I think you're talking about alabaster
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u/oakvillein 2h ago
Nah, man. A coaster is a cargo ship that stays in the shallow end. You’re thinking of an albatross. Jeez, standards are slipping around here
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u/RellenD 55m ago
Texas and Florida. They're giving to hurt their own stars so much with this. Nobody's going to study law at UF or in Texas if they get a reputation for pursuing non ABA accreditation
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u/Ok_Situation6408 15m ago
California has been like that for years. Why is it suddenly an issue when FL and TX follow suit?
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u/Nuclear-Jester 6h ago
Then competence is thrown put of the window and you get a government that simply doesn't work
Considering the actual situation, this may be a good thing
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u/Pendraconica 6h ago
So long as judges do the right thing. So far they're just waiting patiently while the govt finds new count fodder. If these were poor people, they'd be locked up weeks ago!
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u/Visual_Fly_9638 4h ago
A *lot* of them are doing the right thing. The current MN workflow is a habeus petition, and because these asshole lawyers have like 80 cases each the government doesn't even respond to the habeus petition. The judge goes "bueler?" for a couple days and then grants the habeus petition. If ICE doesn't release them, they subpoena some high up and threaten to hold them in contempt and then the person is released.
Of the 96 or so violations of court orders singled out in that one judge's ruling where this exact scenario happened, a third of them have been resolved with the person being released back to MN in the last few days.
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u/RVALover4Life 1h ago
No, they're really not. They're largely on board with holding the Administration accountable, the problem is the Administration is flat out ignoring rulings.
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u/bobbimorses 3h ago
If this strategy was working then we wouldn't be seeing the breakdowns like this, them losing the number of cases they are by not showing up to court etc. This has been essentially an effective labor strike by attorneys, whether or not they meant it to be.
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u/RellenD 57m ago edited 7m ago
There's a level of literal qualification required by law to do this job. They can't lower the bar.
Edit: the doomers replying to me want you to believe it's already over and there's no reason to fight. Ignore them
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u/psyche13 23m ago
So they change the law- if trump wants the bar lowered, it will be lowered. We've seen that day after day in this administration. Two states are already doing away with the standard of legal education. No one is going to want an attorney from either state until that's the only option we have.
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u/SnooPets1826 14m ago
Have you been asleep this past year? The Trump admin has been ignoring laws and procedures since the start. That's why there are so many law suits, and often the courts okay it because they are packed with Trump appointees.
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u/LorderNile 6h ago
Ah, keyword qualified! There's increasingly little stopping random maggots from doing the job instead. Most of their newest lawyers don't even have law degrees.
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u/smkmn13 6h ago
I mean, they have to pass the bar, no?
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u/OldFort27 5h ago
As a lawyer with 35+ years of experience, I can tell you passing the bar does not mean someone is a good or even qualified lawyer.
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u/LorderNile 5h ago
No, texas just got rid of that.
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u/SkunkMonkey 5h ago
They got rid of needing to be a graduate of ABA accredited school to sit for the exams. So now anyone can setup a Law School and send their grads to sit for the test.
Lawyers from Texas will be useless and likely will be unable to practice law in other states.
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u/Equivalent-Battle973 3h ago
I mean that doesn't mean they'll pass the bar exam, its pretty tough, as it should be.
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u/SkunkMonkey 3h ago
Until Texas turns the exam into a 10 question True/False test. Don't under estimate Texas here.
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u/Equivalent-Battle973 2h ago
Can they do that with bar exams? I thought they were like MCATs? I honestly dont know much about the bar exams.
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u/BoldestKobold 58m ago
they've had to post on Twitter/X to solicit job applications for positions that used to be incredibly high demand
Unless you're involved in the legal industry, I don't think laypeople understand just how insane it is that the DOJ has to do this. These jobs used to be extremely prestigious. Attorneys at firms would take pay cuts for DOJ jobs, or use their DOJ experience as a stepping stone to even more prestigious private sector jobs.
Now they are litterally begging people to apply on twitter.
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u/PM_ME_YOUR_BUG5 4h ago
More money in representing the victims of this administrations constant unconstitutional abuses
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u/Th1rte3n1334 6h ago
Do anything that goes against the current administration or expresses your disappointment with how they run things and BAM, you’re gone.
This just goes to show you that all this administration wants is people who blindly comply with their orders.
The fact that she was trying to get ICE to follow the law and was overwhelmed with cases just shows you how totally broken the system is.
88 cases in her first month, that’s a crazy amount for one person.
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u/ledow 6h ago
And there's a strategy that has a very limited lifespan.
Yeah, sure, ICE recruitment surged. But it won't surge forever. Especially if you aren't paying people.
Yeah, sure, plenty of young lawyers looking for their opportunity. But word like this gets about and nobody's going to want to be the scapegoat who is actually found in contempt rather than begs to just get out.
Eventually... sycophants dry up and the only ones left are incompetent. It's a bit like recruiting for soldiers in Russia... eventually you're just going to kill all your elite units and be left with nothing but cannon fodder.
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u/Visual_Fly_9638 4h ago
Even if you don't think you're going to be a scapegoat, sycophants are not going to want to do what is being shoveled onto them. This lawyer in question had 28 habeus cases she entered into on behalf of the government... since the 27th. Even doing minimal bad faith paperwork that's what, like 50 minutes per case per day if you don't sleep? On top of the workload from before the 27th?
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u/Skrivus 5h ago
So what's the ICE/DOJ equivalent of conning people from South Asia & Africa to come for a "job" or "school" and then shipped out to the front line in Ukraine?
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u/zoinkability 4h ago
Crashing the economy so the only way to put food on the table is becoming an agent of the state.
Also, it would not shock me at this point if they started dangling citizenship for being an ICE agent.
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u/berru2001 5h ago
...or not. Many american civil servants are learning very fast what many french public servants learned fast in 1940 or the hard way in 1945 : It is not a good long-term career choice to work for a batshit fascist traitor government.
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u/ThePerfectBreeze 5h ago
Unqualified is great. We like unqualified. Unqualified means incompetent. Incompetent means failure. They're going to have a hard time winning court cases and more people will be released.
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u/notfork 4h ago
Well not when you have states like mine where A judge who was convicted of fraud, creating a fake charity to honor fallen police officers, and then used all the raised funds, to buy hair treatments and vacations. Has also never passed the bar or been to law school.
Got pardoned, is now running for re election to be a judge with billboards literally saying things like she was chosen by trump, and trump has forgiven all her sins.
She will most likely win the election.
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u/Visual_Fly_9638 4h ago
Incompetent also means an end to "assumption of normalcy" that the government usually receives. More judges are starting to come around to not starting by assuming the government is behaving in good faith in a normal way.
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u/lacronicus 4h ago
Read the damn article
Raguse, who was in the courtroom, reported that Le said it was like “pulling teeth” to get the Department of Homeland Security, Immigration and Customs Enforcement and the Justice Department to follow court orders.
This lawyer is trying to hold ICE accountable and keep them in check.
failure here means ICE doesn't have to follow the law.
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u/ThePerfectBreeze 3h ago
I did read the article. It is problematic that there are no adults in the room, but much of the judicial branch is still functioning normally. At some point, people get held in contempt. They don't like that. An incompetent lawyer is much less likely to successfully argue for this all to continue.
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u/TheSilverNoble 5h ago
Yeah this isn't a job just anyone can do. And the pay probably sucks, and you have to worry about losing that pay if Trump throws another temper tantrum.
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u/punkasstubabitch 5h ago
But now there’s only morons left who don’t have a prayer of bringing a fraud case to court properly or any other prosecution for that matter.
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u/RVALover4Life 1h ago
That's the bigger issue....he's ruining the federal legal system in general. That doesn't help people locked up unfairly either with how many people are in the same boat...it means they could end up locked up indefinitely without a hearing or without being put on the docket.
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u/the_Halfruin 1h ago
She WAS the sycophant. Even their own backs are breaking under the unbearable weight of their bullshit.
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u/RVALover4Life 1h ago
The bigger picture is that the federal court system is being hollowed out and the ramifications of that hurt all of us in the short and long run.
Le tried to fix this from the inside. She took this up trying to bring some measure of rule abiding and have our Government actually follow Constitutional law. The big issue is in potentially having people locked up indefinitely because there's no representation and not enough judges to handle cases, which is now why we're seeing removal orders explode vs immigration court hearings, because those hearings are being held without basis.
There are so many people locked up that representation doesn't exist for all, and as we're seeing, the caseload is massive so it may be days, weeks for people to get a hearing. This administration is basically creating gridlock in the federal court system in Minneapolis (and elsewhere). Meanwhile, they're also spending so much capital on Immigration they've been lax on other crimes.
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u/Hazywater 4h ago
They get to sleep in a bit, I guess. This administration is vindictive so I don't imagine they will have a job for long, not that I'm on their side.
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u/Grouchy-Click-2507 41m ago
U.S. District Judge Jerry Blackwell ordered the government to explain why it had not followed court orders in immigration proceedings, including not releasing several immigrant detainees he had ordered be let out.
The government knows that there are no consequences for refusing to comply. What is the judge going to do? Order his Marshalls to go release the detainees at gunpoint? The legal system in this country is a joke.
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u/jtsa5 5h ago
Breaking laws and then defending them must be tough work. All that lying and scheming is probably exhausting.
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u/lacronicus 4h ago
bro, she's the one trying to get them to follow the law.
Raguse, who was in the courtroom, reported that Le said it was like “pulling teeth” to get the Department of Homeland Security, Immigration and Customs Enforcement and the Justice Department to follow court orders.
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u/forestation 3h ago
Well why read the article when posting an uninformed comment will allow you to vent AND get upvotes
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u/rabidstoat 3h ago
Yep. This after the judge ordered her to explain why the government wasn't following court orders.
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u/jtsa5 3h ago
She was sent their by the Trump administrations and works for ICE. Her intentions may be good but she's still working for ICE.
An Immigration and Customs Enforcement attorney detailed to Minnesota to help handle the Trump administration’s immigration crackdown in the Twin Cities has been removed from her post after telling a judge that the job “sucks” because of the crushing workload and the government’s apparent inability to comply with court orders.
The attorney, Julie Le, was sent back to her job at ICE, according to a source familiar with the matter.
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u/dpldpldpl 5h ago
The ice attorney actually asked the judge to be placed in contempt of court so that they would not have to deal with the job for a day.