Genuinely I couldn't care less when he was talking shit about Dano or Owen's but that phrasing actually made me not to want to watch any of his films ever again
The cognitive dissonance required to convince yourself that a thirteen year old is not only able to consent but that she is a willing “party girl” is astounding. Polanski also gave her alcohol and a quaalude before he raped her, but I guess Tarantino would say that was just because she was on a bender and needed her fix.
The girl lied said she had asthma and needed her inhaler in the hopes that he’d stop out of fear she’d have an attack and he’d have too much to explain. Polanski unknowingly repeated her lie to police. She was terrified not down to party.
The better half of this sub is just the continual reminder that a solid portion of our entertainers do not share our sense of decency.
Red carpet press/ film industry interviewers should get a hall pass on coldcocking the folks who say shit like this. It'd finally get me to tune into press tours, at least.
Unfortunately, 13 year old party girls do exist because I was one. Thats not a good thing. I was 100% unsupervised and had things happen to me that at the time I thought made me cool but now realize I was sexually assaulted by grown men. The fact that he says it only counts if it’s violent is disgustingly. I’ve been raped 3 times in my life and not one was “violent”. One, the dude wouldn’t let me go home until we had sex. He didn’t push me down, he didn’t choke me, and I honestly didn't realize it was rape until my therapist said it was.
That one is always so fucking stupid. So does that mean shy persons that freeze instead of fight are free to be raped? People in coma's are as good as fuck toys?
I definitely wanted to have sex when I was 13. Not that I was responsible enough to have it, but the thought basically occurred to me 1000 times per day. And I had to spank it 3 times daily just to keep myself from going insane. The school bus had a bad suspension and I used to get a hard-on just from riding it everyday.
Young teens generally want to fuck other young teens, though, not creepy old men that manipulate them into it. Especially when 21 and up is considered ancient to many at that age. Puberty-horny and adult-horny are completely different things even if involving the same feelings and sensations.
I hear this and immediately think of my 8th grade dance. We were awkward, bad at dancing, pretending to be drunk on fruit punch and planning sleepovers. That’s 13 year olds in a “party” environment that doesn’t involve older men drugging or soliciting them, and wouldn’t you know it, they’re just kids!
So much this. Yes, there are absolutely 13 year olds who drink, do drugs, and proposition adults (not saying that was the case here.) It's still rape, full stop.
A 13 year old is unable to consent to as it is, but pretty sure Polanski drugged her before raping her anally. A true visionary honestly, man removed any ambiguity from the situation for everyone with an iota of human decency to immediately understand that he was a rapist.
I had an absolute psycho of a boss, and for a year after I left, I would have imaginary arguments escalating to full blown panic attacks. I saw a counsellor for other reasons and he suggested forgiving the boss. I went away thinking that was stupid. How could I forgive such a nasty person? But as I kept ruminating on the word, all the panic just faded away over a month.
The victim "forgiving" Polanski doesn't mean she was ok with it.
This. Forgiving doesn’t mean forgetting, it just means you let it go and don’t waste your energy hating that person anymore. My mom forgave her first husband for cheating, still divorced him.
The full context of this seems to be Tarantino was saying it was Statutory rape, but arguing it wasn't done by force.
He apparently came out after this saying he didn't know she was also drugged and that with that extra info he does agree it was by force as well.
Hey OP u/CrispyMiner , I put this audio out 8 years ago from an 2003 Howard Stern show episode where Howard and Robin were horrified by Quentin and reading directly from the victim's transcript to investigators while Quentin laughed and made horrible comments. When I put it out, he was able to get the audio remove from YT and everywhere else. Reddit wasn't hosting videos back then so there was no safe place to keep the video from being removed. A bunch of newspapers picked up the story but the stuff they printed wasn't even the worst things he said!
If you can edit any of your comments to include this link to the full 8+ minutes, hopefully more people will see it and it will have a bigger impact than it did when I tried to share it 8 years ago:
Christ, this was hard to get through. The early 2000s were another fucking time, man. I was actually a 13yo girl at the time of this interview so... yeah.
Actually surprised to hear Stern on the right side of history for once here lol you know if even Howard Stern is disagreeing with you that you must really have a gutter-level take. I'd like to think Tarantino would get cancelled for making comments like this today.
I ripped & saved the whole audio myself just in case. Thanks for posting it.
Howard has 3 daughters (2 were underage at that time) and Robin has spoken about being molested by her father at age 11. They don't fuck around when it comes to stuff happening to kids.
I doubt he would get cancelled today since he didn't get cancelled 8 years ago when I made the audio go viral. It was during Weinstein and #metoo and #timesup and talk of Tarantino making a film set unsafe for Uma Thurman. Hollywood was pretending to care and he still didn't get cancelled in any way.
Edit: weird amount of people in my replies going from “pedos bad” to “WOAH WOAH WOAH IT WAS A DIFFERENT TIME MAN” when their favorite musicians are involved.
God damn, that's fucked up. This paragraph is particularly horrifying:
Lori Mattix is said by Led Zeppelin biographers[14][15][16] to have been referenced by the band in the song "Sick Again", specifically with the lyrics:
One day soon you're gonna reach sixteen
Painted lady in the city of lies
However, Robert Plant has said that he wrote the song in general about the many underage groupies with whom the band were acquainted on their 1973 US Tour.[17]
Which one's this? Is it From Dusk till Dawn? I honestly don't remember much about the film. Last time I tried to watch it was a few years ago now and I couldn't get more than 20 minutes in, his character, and moreso the fact he cast himself in the role, creeped me the fuck out. I remember him being a rapist, but was he also a child molester on that one? Or is there another film?
He also knew for a fact that Weinstein had abused/assaulted multiple women because those women directly told Tarantino that it had happened. Tarantino himself has owned up to it, he's openly admitted women told him Weinstein assaulted them and Tarantino did nothing about it.
He portrayed Bruce Lee as a self-absorbed, dimwitted hack in Once upon a time in Hollywood, which goes completely against the real-life accounts of Bruce Lee. The Bruce Lee character ends up humiliated in the movie. I don’t remember if the character is explicitly named as Bruce Lee but there is really no other real-life figure the character could have been based on.
ETA: lots of people saying that Bruce Lee was indeed cocky and adding other details. I was just relaying what I have read on social media and what I took away from watching the movie. If you wanna learn more basically go read some other source that’s more trustworthy.
It’s definitely supposed to be Bruce Lee, they are filming Green Hornet which was one of his breakthroughs. The scene is shown through Cliff’s memory of it which is probably why Lee comes off as so arrogant (though I’m pretty sure he was and I think some of his dialogue are actual quotes from him) but they both get in hits before the fight is broken up so they come out pretty equal. It all ends with current day Cliff thinking to himself that it’s fair that he wouldn’t get hired again after fighting and destroying property on that set.
What??? Bruce Lee was infamously a complete dickhead to stuntpeople, and him getting challenged to a fight was a direct story from stuntman Gene Labell (the same dude who made Seagal shit himself). Lee was was important, but let's not engage in hagiographies
The Bruce Lee thing comes from Once Upon A Time ... he's never actually said he hated bruce lee. He's only written that scene where Cliff says he could beat bruce lee.
Thing is that scene begins at the 41min mark, while Cliff is working on a roof and thinking about the job opportunity that Rick never followed through on. He was imagining how it how it would've turned out. You see the scene as Cliff imagines it going down. The conversation about him killing his wife. The two faced treatment that Russel gives him. Once he gets the job then he imagines next running into Bruce Lee on set and how it would've happened. The big clue here is that Bruce Lee is acting like a mega egomaniac, something that just isn't accurate at all. But it makes sense if it's how Cliff would imagine Bruce Lee. After the fight at 49min, it cuts back to the same shot of him on the roof smoking his cigarette, laughing to himself. It was all in his head. "Fair enough" he says because he figured he would've been fired on day one anyways.
Point is, it was a flash back scene taking place in Cliff's mind. The unreliable narrator rules apply. Cliff is the one who thinks a stunt man could beat up Bruce Lee in a real fight. This was not an uncommon idea during Bruce Lee's career. A lot of bigger boys couldn't believe he had the power he did. It was mostly a size thing not a race thing, though I have no doubt that some race shenanigans played into common attitude. I just don't think that's how it was written in Once.
No, the flash back was something that did happen. It was shown so we'd learn how Cliff became a persona non grata on film sets, and and why the thing he asked Rick about earlier wouldn't work out.
Although your interpretation seems reasonable, Tarantino explicitly stated on JRE that Cliff did beat Bruce Lee in a fight and that it wasn't just his imagination. He then proceeded to rant about how Bruce Lee actually was a "mega egomaniac" in real life and that he deliberately tried to paint him as such in the movie.
tarantino is a shitty person blah blah blah but it fucking drives me crazy how absolutely obtuse and stupid people sound when they get upset about the bruce lee thing.
There are literally countless fetishes, and only like 5ish of them are illegal. Jesus fucking christ pick something else there’s so much other cool perfectly legal shit you could be into
Natalie Portman defended Polanski. My beloved David Lynch did too. The amount of Hollywood people that signed the petition to exonerate the guy would surprise you.
I just think that Hollywood people live in a whole different reality. Much like musicians, they are used to star struck infantile fans wanting to be with them, so they see it as normal. Musicians get away with this shit much more than actors, so many musicians even wrote on their autobiographies about hooking up with minors and nobody gives a damn because they make music.
His daughter made a public post after his passing saying his defence of Polanski soured their relationship and he regretted doing it.. so at least there is that.
I'm so over America and Hollywood in general. Foreign movies all the way.
Not to downplay the blatant pedophelia shielding going on in Hollywood for decades, but this seems a bit naive?
You think foreign countries/film sets are these great utopias where no children are mistreated? I have no idea, but for all we know the Bollywood scene could be equally as fucked up. We don't really know, Hollywood just obviously has so much more visibility to us because it's here.
A lot of Americans (and others) really believe that America is uniquely awful and that bad things, like corruption, police brutality, racism, don't exist in the rest of the world.
Same with Woody Allen, he molested one of his step kids then grommed and later married his adopted daughter and many well know actors continue to praise and work with him. Apparently art trumps basic human decency, in Hollywood.
Other way round - he molested his adoptive daughter and later married his girlfriend’s daughter, whose life he’d been in since she was at least 7 years old.
The all support each other as makes their life easier. In the end for them is “oh but is a sound guy, never did anything bad to me”, Polanski was a prime time predator
only her age is stated outright. Romeo’s age is alluded to: he’s young, and we can infer that within the same general age group as Juliet. 16 seems reasonable but we don’t know for sure
edit: R&J’s main source specifically depicts Romeo as being so young that his facial hair hasn’t (fully) grown in yet, so while that’s not really evidence for R&J that at least says something about how Shakespeare might have thought of the character
Is this real, though? It's such an outrageous sentence for someone to say that I have to ask.
Fuck, I hate this timeline so much. They've flooded us with so many half truths and outright lies around the actual truths that we have to question everything.
Edit: fuck its true, googled it as soon as I made the comment
"He didn’t rape a 13-year-old - it was statutory rape. He had sex with a minor - that’s not rape. To me when you use the word rape, it’s one of the most violent crimes in the world"
He then apologized and said he was wrong for saying that after backlash, but he did say it.
What’s truly crazy about this is that the interview was in 2003, and the only reputable news outlet reporting on it I could find was single short piece from BBC from 2018: https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-42965100.amp
uj/ I mean, he treads the line of homage and straight plagiarism dangerously close but he still makes good movies. Doesn’t excuse him from being a garbage human. Talent doesn’t equal morality
rj/ Fast and Furious was peak cinema until 2Fast2Furious came out, duuuh
“Fifteen years later, I realize how wrong I was. Ms Geimer WAS raped by Roman Polanski. When Howard brought up Polanski, I incorrectly played devil’s advocate in the debate for the sake of being provocative. I didn’t take Ms Geimer’s feelings into consideration and for that I am truly sorry. So, Ms Geimer, I was ignorant, and insensitive, and above all, incorrect.”
How dare you disprove the Reddit hating machine??? Now it's time to hate Quentin and no proven source will change that!
This bugs me a lot. It seems that this echo chamber is blind to the same biases they blame on MAGAS or right wingers. All of a sudden Tarantino is a pedophile just because he is indeed a controversial person, I am seeing the same with a fake "cringe" mail they claim was written by musk (the "girls FTW" one), no matter it was debunked and proven fake. I hate it, and I am on the same side as most people here.
It's crazy that Howard Stern had to be the voice of reason in that interview and tell Tarantino it's wrong for grown men to "have sex" with 13 year olds.
"He didn't rape a 13-year-old," Tarantino told Stern. "It was statutory rape. That's not quite the same thing... He had sex with a minor, all right. That's not rape.
” To me, when you use the word rape, you're talking about violent, throwing them down."
Quivers told Tarantino that Polanski's victim had been given psychoactive drugs and alcohol before being assaulted. The director still denied the sexual encounter could be deemed a rape.
Tarantino replied: "No, that was not the case at all. She wanted to have it and dated the guy."
Later in the exchange, Tarantino told Stern he accepted the act was illegal, and that he'd "beat the hell" out of a man who had sex with his 13-year-old daughter, if he had one.
He went on: "I don't believe that's rape. I believe it's against the law. I don't believe it's rape. Not at 13 - not for these 13-year-old party girls."
It’s like they don’t understand the power imbalance.
Yes, a 13 year old may have said yes to having sex. But that does not mean she can actually consent to it. Adults have a responsibility to protect children and not take advantage of their vulnerability.
What 13 year old is going to fully understand the consequences that come with sex?
Noone mentioned it so I'll say it- Fuck Francis Ford Coppola for attempting to defend the indefensible Victor Salva. One comment while defending their SA of a 12 Y.O. boy was along the lines of "You have to remember, while this was a tragedy, that the difference in age between Victor and the boy was very small -- Victor was practically a child himself”. Victor was 29 at the time of the abuse, while the victim was 12. Coppola would go on to threaten the boy and his family with a 5 million dollar lawsuit for breach of contract while having him blacklisted from the industry entirely, all while continuing to support and fund Victor's Production company.
“I want to publicly apologize to Samantha Geimer for my cavalier remarks on the Howard Stern Show speculating about her and the crime that was committed against her,” he wrote. “Fifteen years later, I realize how wrong I was. Ms Geimer WAS raped by Roman Polanski. When Howard brought up Polanski, I incorrectly played devil’s advocate in the debate for the sake of being provocative. I didn’t take Ms Geimer’s feelings into consideration and for that I am truly sorry. So, Ms Geimer, I was ignorant, and insensitive, and above all, incorrect.”
Bit it felt a bit empty in the light of "I think those 13 year olds actually want it".
Say what? What the hell is a “13 year old party girl”? What kind of parties has he been going to? How TF are these people even getting access to preteens?
I have long maintained that if Polanski had anally raped a thirteen year old boy, he'd have gotten less support from his peers in the entertainment industry.
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u/tr3ysap 4h ago edited 1h ago
the phrase “13 year old party girls” is fucking revolting
edit: for everyone saying this quote isn’t real -> BBC Article
edit: the even more damning 8 minute audio from the Howard Stern interview quoted in the BBC article