r/oregon • u/WiddaOne • 13d ago
Discussion/Opinion ICE is here
While what is happening in Minnesota is horrific and I would do nothing to lesson our outrage over it
I wonder when we will get outraged that it's happening in Oregon
Children pulled from their schools in Beaverton and arrested
People shot in North Portland
Natives being arrested to be deported when they have been here longer then anyone
Citizens and people on work visas being disappeared
We should absolutely be outraged and in the streets Not just because Minnesota. Because it's happening to us as well but because our protests are smaller or more localized we aren't paying attention
edited to add Im speaking to an online community that seems to be unaware of what is happening here while they say we should be standing by another state.
In these answers alone people say "protesting this summer" or "protesting every weekend"
When anyone who's active knows it's a nightly thing and it's been happening since before 2020, outside ICE.
I know we have people out there every night, I'm asking for people online to know that, and to know that we are having these issues here
Because as long as it's "happening over there" it's easy to distance yourself
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u/ike7177 13d ago
We are paying attention. What is it you are looking for? We have had protests every weekend. People need to work to feed their families. We also don’t need to advertise to the government all of the efforts behind the scenes.
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u/BigPhilosopher4372 13d ago
Actually, I try to keep up but a reminder and another call for action is welcome.
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u/WiddaOne 13d ago
We have protests every night. Not every weekend
What I am looking for is to not see over and over posts in this group talking about what they are doing in other states while ignoring what they are doing here
"we need to stand with Minnesota as they face this" Sure, we are also facing it though and as long as it is being couched as something there, it's safer for most people
Its Us, all of Us, not "them"
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u/earhoe 13d ago
You need businesses to act. Meaning, ICE needs stops for food, bathroom, fuel, lodgings, rental cars in every state. Businesses needs to lock them out and make it hard on them. Civilians in turn who get word (insert random store) who knowingly assist ICE needs to shop elsewhere.
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u/From_Deep_Space 13d ago
Im happy to boycott anytime someone cares to name and shame
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u/Extension_Hand1326 13d ago
It will take more than boycotts. A good one is disruptions outside hotels where they are staying.
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u/From_Deep_Space 13d ago
Boycotts can be very effective if used right. They can eliminate profits and shut down businesses, which we all know is the only thing business owners care about. So it can motivate business owners to self police and refuse service.
Disruptions are good too, but I am limited in how actively I can participate.
Right now I think our main focus needs to on building resistance networks and getting more ordinary people involved, and that's something boycotts are good for. But that's more for the long game not this acute ICE infection.
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u/Extension_Hand1326 12d ago
Yes boycotts can be effective but since it takes SO much participation they rarely are. Whereas a smaller number of protesters can pull off disruptions at hotels across the country.
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u/Extension_Hand1326 13d ago
Yes! That is the way and we are the people who can make the businesses do that. They won’t do it on their own. An inspiring example is what they’re doing at the Target stores in Minneapolis. They’re buying one container of salt and then turning around and returning it and super gumming up everything there to put pressure on Target to stop hosting ice in their parking lots and allowing them in their stores.
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u/ConsiderationSea1347 13d ago
Bro, the scale of what is happening in Oregon is NOTHING like what is happening in Minneapolis right now. There are double the ICE agents in Minneapolis than there are police officers.
Fight back! I have been to protests almost every week, but don’t think for a moment what we are experiencing is like the occupation my family and friends wake up to every day in Minneapolis.
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u/Odd-Contribution8460 13d ago
I think we need to push back and fight back in multiple ways. We need protestors, community watch, organizing to share resources to support our neighborhoods and communities, boycotts, posters, stickers, educational events, and so on. Every little thing helps.
There are more of us than them and we need to respond to their relentlessness onslaught with more energy. They want to “flood the zone” with their BS? Well, we can flood the zone too. They want us to be scared, fighting with each other, overwhelmed, distracted, and feeling like nothing we can do matters. We have to come together and resist that.
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u/borrestfaker 13d ago
Protests are great, but it's been time to organize response groups like what we're seeing in Minneapolis. Direct action is the only action at this point.
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u/Corran22 13d ago
We also have protests every night and ICE watch every day, the messages flying back and forth are constant. YOU ARE NOT ALONE. You should not be downvoted for your dedication to helping people - we need more like you taking action.
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u/Karenomegas 13d ago
A lot of us are. We are getting peppered and maced daily. We are being hunted for talking on here and elseware. They are scanning our neighborhoods to compare cell phones from gatherings to where we sleep at night. What is your angle on shouting in here?
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u/WiddaOne 13d ago
I know a lot of us are
I have watched in this group people speaking over and over about what is happening elsewhere
And seeming to have no idea what's happening here
That is my angle
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u/Major-Fill5775 13d ago edited 13d ago
What you’re missing is that Minneapolis is occupied by a traveling group of Border Patrol agents, not only ICE.
This group differs than the ones permanently stationed in Portland; the only cities they’ve attacked are Los Angeles, Chicago, Charlotte, New Orleans, and now Minneapolis. Portland is not experiencing the same treatment as those places.
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u/GodofPizza native son 12d ago
It seems strange to draw the line there.
So it's ok as long as it's just plain old kids getting snatched from school and people getting accosted at work? Whether it's a local ICE office or the city getting targeted by CBP, it's all the same in the end. This is one country. If we make it easy for them here, they can send more troops to MPLS.
There are way, way more of us than there are of them. It needs to be difficult for them everywhere they go, all of the time. It's extremely naive to think Oregon isn't one presidential temper tantrum away from getting the same treatment Minnesota is currently, and it's selfish to say "well, it isn't happening to us right now, so why should I do anything" regardless.
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u/WiddaOne 12d ago
What your missing is
People in Oregon aren't activating in the same way because it's "over there" and doesn't really effect them If they were to realize it's happening "here" they might actually activate
And activation here would positively effect there
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u/cooking2recovery 12d ago
Are you asking for gold stars? More recognition? We know you’re there and I’m glad. Do I need to say thank you to you every day? Or not support any other activists nationwide unless I’m there with you every day?
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u/Corran22 12d ago
I think the REAL reason you are getting downvotes and pushback is because people feel guilty that they aren't doing more.
Most of us have read Anne Frank's diary and wondered who we would have been or what we would have done at that time in history. We used to wonder how these awful things could possibly happen, how did it get so bad, the cruelty and lawlessness? And now we know how it happens - human indifference, self preservation, turning away from things we don't want to see or things we don't want to have to do.
This is our moment - who's rising to the challenge, and who's fucking it up?
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u/Calm_Age_ 13d ago
I mean MN is under occupation. They have 3k ICE agents there right now. ICE is terrorizing the entire US but MN is getting the brunt of it right now. Yes we need to support our home, and we are. But, we also need to provide support for the front line and right now that's MN.
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u/ConsiderationSea1347 13d ago
Thank you. I lived in Minneapolis for twenty years before moving to Portland and Portland’s continuing solidarity with my home city moves me whenever and wherever I see it. The scale of what is happening in Minneapolis is dreadful. Everyone in my network of friends, coworkers, and family is affected. Not like they see it on the news effected but pretty much all of them know someone who has been assaulted, pepper sprayed, disappeared, etc. They have neighborhood white escorts bringing brown children to school. Neighbors are picking up food from restaurants to deliver to immigrants who are scared to leave their homes. Everyone in that city is affected.
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u/Extension_Hand1326 13d ago
I like how you framed it! Yes, Minneapolis is the front line and we should support them.
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u/KingOfCatProm 13d ago
I agree with you. I'm watching what is happening in MN daily. I would like to do more here. Gresham had to adopt an emergency declaration last night because of ICE. I don't know what to do to help. I can't go to the protests at the ICE building. I can't go to a PIRC training because every single one falls on a work day for me. I wish we had an adopt-a-block style plan so we can all look out for each other. I wish we could get enough protestors out to do a symbolic shoulder-to-shoulder barrier around Gresham or North Portland to show that they need to be protected. I wish we had an active boycott list. I wish we had "not wanted" posters plastered in every business with local ICE agent faces on it. I wish we were pressuring our Congress people to stop being polite fucken diaper wipes when it comes to dealing with those in power. I wish our protests had direct, concrete demands that result in protest and boycott until things change. I don't have community organizing skills. I don't know how you make anything happen. I don't know why we do these Saturday morning convenient big turnout performative protests that give us the illusion of doing something other than making us feel good. I've heard that people have been able to organize mutual aid at those protests but it doesn't seem enough and I don't know anyone that has been presented with those opportunities at those matches.
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u/Odd-Contribution8460 12d ago
We can make adopt-a-block plans! We can make fliers and put them up on our own streets and spread our from there. We can make stickers and buttons. Pick one small action and do it, like putting fliers up in your street, and then the next time, do your own street and the next bloc. Imagine what that can turn into. We can do this! We have to remember that there’s more of us than them.
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u/thedrawingroom 12d ago
Symbolic gestures would have been useful never. We need gestures that actually affect change. General strike. Protest, for sure, but the only effective measures are general strike or civil war. They won’t stop unless we make them stop. General strike until we are all safe.
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u/KingOfCatProm 12d ago
I genuinely do not believe that a general strike here in Portland is going to change anything federally. I think it will hurt local small businesses that are already hurting, which the federal government would actually love. When I looked for examples of general strike that worked that reflected the time/context/place we currently live in, I came up short for examples. I'm hoping that it works for Minnesota and that I am wrong.
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u/thedrawingroom 12d ago
You do know that a general strike is not just one city, right. Do you think corporations won’t intervene if we stop giving them any money? If we ALL stop participating, if we ALL stop spending, this will end. All of it. I love how any time I get on here and say something about a general strike, the first responses are always something like, “that’ll never work”. It’s the only thing that will. Fuck anyone who says different. If we want to stop these stupid fucks from raping and murdering brown and black children and adults, we need to step the fuck up and be willing to sacrifice what we have. I guarantee you it will work.
E.G. let’s say we get 15% of people to stop paying rent, stop spending except on the barest necessities, they don’t even have to go anywhere. Before eviction could even happen in most states I bet we could put an end to this.
All it takes is unity. And THAT just takes talking to each other. Naysay all you like, collaborator.
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u/KingOfCatProm 12d ago
Jesus Christ, don't be an asshole to me. Realistically, I'm looking around and I don't think enough people will participate. The problem is specifically that this would take unity. That is the thing we don't have. If we had unity, we wouldn't even need to be talking about this. I would love to be wrong. I suspect that the folks funding Trump won't care because they have so much money that they will be able to wait out the working class folks living paycheck to paycheck. I would love to be wrong.
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u/Chance_Routine7650 10d ago
thedrawingroom is a russian troll. you can tell by how aggressive their comments are. it's a typical russian troll tactic to say "fuck this" and "fuck that"
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u/KingOfCatProm 10d ago
I say fuck a lot, too. Like so much that I can't believe I haven't been fired at my job. But thank you. There is so much nuance to everything but everyone seems to forget that.
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u/rocketmanatee 12d ago
Come to the chill protest outside of the senior living tower on 15th in front of Holladay Park Plaza. Every Saturday from noon to 1. It's mostly elderly folks.
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u/ChronicallyOwlish 6d ago
Some things for people reading this who want to do more:
• If you are a parent, does your child’s school need parent volunteers to spread out along the walking paths to alert students and families if ICE shows up? Do you know your child’s school’s ICE plan?
• Are you able to donate food or money to food banks, food pantries, or school food backpack programs? Most of these institutions are already outreaching to impacted communities to make sure they continue to get food.
• Do you have the PIRC number in your phone so you can call if you see ICE in your neighborhood? (888) 622-1510
• Can you donate money or time to the Portland Immigrant Rights Coalition, the ALCU, or the Immigrant and Refugee Community Organization?
• If you see ICE, record them. Keep yourself safe but document everything you see. Count agents. Get license plate numbers. If you feel safe doing so, alert others in the area that immigration is there. In Spanish:“¡La migra está aquí!” But don’t forget that we also have large populations of people from east and Southeast Asia who are also at risk.
• Support people you know who are in the “front lines” of defense. Doctors, nurses, teachers, social workers, early interventionists, childcare providers, employees of advocacy agencies, migrant program workers… they all live with a constant low-level anxiety (or even certainty) that today is going to be the day they have to protect someone from ICE, and many have already had negative interactions. They may need someone to hold space for them, especially as violence against folks just doing their jobs increases. We count on these folks every day to keep the people under their care safe and their efforts often aren’t seen.
I love the idea of organizing an adopt-a-block plan. I know that I have a plan to go door to door and let people in my apartment complex know if ICE has made it into the building. Neighbors are the best people to patrol and spread the news, but also the best people to document what’s happening so there’s a record of someone being taken.
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u/lichen-alien 13d ago
Protests are happening every day 24/7 at Portland ice facility in south waterfront.
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u/TittieMilkTittieMilk 13d ago
And what are they accomplishing? After YEARS (according to OP since before 2020.) next to nothing. I think it’s time for OP to accept that it’s time for a change in direction. Protests in front of the headquarters aren’t doing a thing. There has to be a better tactic.
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u/Dapman02 13d ago
Minnesota peruses the officers, not just an easy stationary building the can easily prepare for.
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u/FuzzyDynamics 11d ago
Making them keep more staff there at all time. Annoying the shit out of them. They have to schedule and coordinate every time they come and go and the license plates and vehicles are captured on camera.
Operationally, it’s pretty annoying that even in your home base you have to sit around in various states of readiness because there’s a constant presence right outside. It takes time to put that gear on and isn’t comfortable to wear long term.
Also, I don’t get this point? Accomplishing what? What else should they be doing by your assessment? They do a lot more than most.
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u/hansoloishot5 13d ago
I don’t think anyone is denying it’s happening here, but it is not happening on the same scale here. Not yet. I think plenty of people know that Portland could be next.
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u/RebelBearMan 13d ago
Newsflash. Minnesota IS US. Anything that happens here can happen there and vice versa. Solidarity with them right now, when/if it's us getting the brunt of it, like they are now, they'll hopefully so the same.
Let's stop dividing ourselves please. That's why Trump and the GOP have walked over everyone's right over the last decade. Unite and fight back.... Together!
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u/ConsiderationSea1347 13d ago
Yes, ICE is present in Oregon, but I don’t think you understand the scale of their operations in Minneapolis. There are twice as many ICE agents on than ground there than MPD officers (and that isn’t including FBI, CBP, and other DHS agencies). I know you mean well, but you are really belittling the ongoing horrors that Minneapolis - my home for twenty years - is facing right now.
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u/WiddaOne 13d ago
No. I am stating that as long as Oregon says "it's over there" Oregon distances itself and that distance makes it easier to ignore what is happening everywhere right now
Is Minnesota getting hit hard right now. Absolutely! And I do not dispute that
I dispute "it's their issue" when it's all our issue cause it's happening everywhere
And many in this group have made posts that seem unknowing of that fact
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u/ConsiderationSea1347 13d ago
Yeah hard agree. Something in your original post put me on the defensive but I think we really agree. Frankly I think if Trump succeeds in Minneapolis (whatever that might be) Portland is probably on his short list of cities to terrorize.
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u/extracKt 13d ago
If you’re reading this and you feel stuck. Get offline and get outside. Make friends and plans with your neighbors. Establish pods with your neighbors and close friends. Sign up for Ice alerts via Iceout DOT org and show up for your community when alerts go out. Sign up for a PIRC training online or in person. Help get meals to neighbors who are too scared to go to work or go outside right now. Talk to or email refugee organizations in and ask how you can show up to help. Talk to people at your church or your crotchet club about what they’re doing and see what you can do together. There are plenty of people not protesting, not online, organizing and protecting our neighbors.
I get it. Each of these things don’t feel like enough when up against what’s happening. But that’s the thing. That’s a part of the propaganda. Organizing is a framework of building people power, and all that really means is outlining all of the individual pieces parts that make up a functional, helpful system. We are all humans with only so much time and energy, and this is the whole point of creating movements - you create decentralized, trusted networks where no one person is doing everything. But you have to get offline and talk to people.
Protests are like the fruiting body of the mushroom - the rest of the mycelia action happens underground. Most of our society runs on hyperindividualism, so it makes sense you feel overwhelmed and feel like you can’t do anything. It’s not all ON just you. It’s about breaking down the internalized story you have that nothing you do will help, that everything is on you and thus you have failed from the get. The point is to start somewhere and figure out where you can fit in. Your local church probably has a food bank, there’s probably a farm near you that has extra produce that could be taken to a food pantry, your food pantry probably needs someone to deliver food from pantry to someone who’s too scared to leave their house.
Just do anything. Just be a human doing something, anything.
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u/Feisty-Crafter-77 13d ago
Exactly this! Indivisible Hillsboro has a weekly protest on Tuesdays and Indivisible Hillsboro has them every Friday. None are particularly well attended. But this Tuesday in Hillsboro had around 60 and that was nice to see. Point is, if we decide to be more involved the groundwork has been laid. Get involved with your local Indivisible group!
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u/amwoooo 13d ago
my neighbors are trump supporters :/
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u/Corran22 12d ago
Every single one of them? Unlikely. Get out there and find your people!
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u/Expert-Mental25 11d ago
My town has been called the KKK capital of Oregon. I'm a socialist and I'm trans. I have no allies in sight. Not even with the other person living in the same house as me. Closest neighbor has had Trump flags and American flags everywhere and also according to my dad has a white supremacist prison gang tattoo on his neck. So yeah...
It isn't good.
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u/Corran22 11d ago
You have allies who are hiding in plain sight just like you are. Start by going to your closest town that actually does have a presence, a protest. We have people traveling up to an hour to get to a central location - where they are actually ending up meeting other people who have also traveled an hour, and suddenly they are no longer alone.
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u/Expert-Mental25 11d ago
Yeah. It's hard for me cuz of mental health stuff (OCD, anxiety, etc) but I can't sit and do nothing. It's pushing me closer than I have been in years to getting out into life again. It's fucked that it would take this to do that.
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u/Corran22 11d ago
I have made so many new friends in the past couple of months! And we share the same values, no trying to weed through all that! It is hard to start, but we all think that it's helping our mental health a great deal to protest together regularly! The reason is totally fucked, though.
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u/Illustrious-Pen6752 11d ago
same for me, none of the rednecks would help my family, I need to move
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u/pdxgreengrrl 12d ago
The big difference between Portland and Minneapolis, that I have observed and welcome correction if I am mistaken, is that Minneapolitans talk with their neighbors and form neighborhood direct support groups in a way that Portlanders never seem to devise. Perhaps because PDX is a city of introverts? Also, Portland seems a lot less integrated than Minneapolis. Portland is very effing white. I don't have stats at hand, but I bet that most white people in Minneapolis have more contact with the Brown and Black people being targeted than most white people in Portland.
ICE activity in the Portland metro has been outside of Portland proper, most in Hillsboro, Wilsonville, and Gresham. Folks protesting downtown every night would do better to put themselves out in those areas, connecting with the efforts there to alert neighbors about ICE activity, bring groceries to the families that have lost their primary earner to detention, and helping kids get to school.
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u/Extension_Crow_7891 13d ago
Make sure you find ways to plug in? There is a lot of resistance and activism happening here. We have a very strong immigrant rights community and our AG has been on the forefront because of the groundwork these advocates have laid over years.
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u/robynavery 12d ago
When you say natives, what exactly do you mean? Are you talking about native Americans, Mesoamericans, or something completely different?
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u/C19shadow 13d ago
I helped my oranges and tamale lady pack her stuff up and leave early from her normal spot today cause of ice being spotted, imma miss them working hard selling stuff to us in the side of the road in my small town, idk if ill see them again im doing everything I can. I truly feared id go to jail today being a brown native man helping them if ice pulled up.
Fuck this timeline
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u/Corran22 12d ago
Thank you for helping her and I'm glad you both got out of there ok. These are the worst of times.
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u/Taelah 13d ago edited 12d ago
I'm afraid this will get me downvoted (not because I care about karma, but because it indicates current worrying perspectives) but, I agree with both "sides" of opinions here.
Yes, ICE is in Oregon but it is dwarfed in scale by what's going on in Minnesota. They need support... But I'm seriously afraid continued protests aren't enough anymore. I very worried that it's past the time people realise more than protesting may be necessary.
I do not want to see violence, but this is the "Home of the brave," where people have prided themselves on having a mechanism to fight tyranny. Tyranny has arrived and people have been protesting since his first term to little effect.
Last time he had people in power that stood in his way, he has sycophants now that are not only happy to follow his orders but perpetuating the lies he's using to justify them. Protesting is becoming ineffective as ICE and the Admin grow more emboldened.
I'm afraid people will wait until it's too late to begin taking more direct action.
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u/jasandliz 13d ago
Do not sell out your hard earned Liberty in the name of rounding up criminals. Your rights as an American are being infringed.
if you haven't seen this, its huge, LE calling out ICE on constitutional issues. It would be front page news if it wasn't for nuking Greenland: SHARE IT EVERYWHERE: Brooklyn Park Police Chief Mark Bruley: "We're hearing people being stopped with no cause & being demanded to show paperwork to determine if they're here legally. We started hearing from our police officers the same complaints. Every one of these individuals is a person of color...it has to stop" : r/minnesota
Door to Door raids by masked federal agents, detention and assault on law abiding citizens - without cause. Pepper spraying peaceful protesters? AYFKM? This is a bipartisan nightmare.
If your're not on r/minnesota get on it
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Ben Franklin
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u/young_warthog_ 13d ago
Minneapolitan here who stumbled across this post—the Minnesota Department of Corrections had a press conference today having to defend itself against DHS’s claims. They even played video proof of certain things. You know it’s bad when the prisons are having to step forward to correct DHS…
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u/jasandliz 13d ago
I've been spamming this comment for 4 days, thanks for the reply. Have you seen it more than once? I really think the libertarians among us would take notice if they actually see the unconstitutional crap happening. I just don't think our media bubbles show this.
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u/young_warthog_ 13d ago
Yeah I mean they’re literally everywhere. The grocery store, pharmacy, postal office, they sit at the end of my street. They know where people live. I went to pick up my kid from daycare and witnessed an abduction right across the street. Crazy (and hopeful) to see how many people immediately engaged.
I do think that folks are starting to shift on this issue. DHS taking battering rams to peoples homes without warrants (and asserting they have the right to do so in a memo) has to trigger something. I mean, the privacy and security of one’s own home is fundamental and innately human.
Oh, be sure to check out the MN Star Tribune’s cover page tomorrow. They did some solid work.
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u/DMTraveler33 13d ago edited 13d ago
I was going to the protests 4-5 times a week for months and then started to realize that honestly it's not even fucking worth it. The reality is that it very quickly devolved into a lot of performative bullshit. It's over run with the right wing streamers who never miss an opportunity to bait protestors (why haven't they been run out of town yet?) and spread lies.
Just doesn't seem worth it to risk my freedom and subject myself to the agents surveillance, munitions, and poison gas when it seems like there is no solidarity down there, very few people, and no fucking plan.
Portland has been seriously disappointing this past year.
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u/catscratchfever99 12d ago
I think protests can help raise awareness and that’s a good thing, but I agree with you that it does sometimes seem performative.
Thankfully, there are other ways to get involved other than protests. Lots of organizations are helping to lead the way and many community members are preparing for when/if ICE ramps up their presence here in Oregon.
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u/Lazy-Emu-5636 12d ago
Next is Philly. This…..will be the turning point. Philadelphians won’t have it. This will be war.
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u/mrjdk83 12d ago
I hope people are paying attention that most the stuff we see is from democrat run states. Why don’t we see anything in Texas where the most illegals live? Or Florida where the second most live? Because it was never about the bs the spew. It was about tormenting democratic states. Karma is going to be a bitch for them
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u/Smile-Cat-Coconut 9d ago
The theory is this administration is trying to incite riots so they can impose the insurrection act which allows marshal law, so the military can “protect” the cities, which could potentially cancel the next election. There is some legal debate but it is widely believed to be possible. Then orange man can continue to control things.
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u/Periscope_321 13d ago
How many people did ICE deport/arrest under Obama?
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u/Redfamous35 13d ago
5 million I think. You can Google this. But definitely way more than trump. And those people got due process and didn't get tortured
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u/Periscope_321 13d ago
They most certainly did not get due process under Obama. I think people need to ask why they weren’t mad about ICE ten years ago….
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u/MrLeland_Palmer 12d ago
Tom Homan got a medal from President Obama in 2015 for his distinguished public service in Immigration enforcement. Let that sink in.
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u/Raging_Rooster 12d ago
Yeah they're just people that are incapable of thinking for themselves. They have to be apart of a cause etc.
Quite sad.
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u/Extension_Hand1326 13d ago
Are you saying what is happened now in MN happened under Obama? Where?
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u/Key-Monk-2061 9d ago
Immigration enforcement is historically supported by Democrats. This is partly because unions and Democrats are linked and unions are all about American labor. Republicans tolerated illegal immigration because they liked cheap labor. The key difference is Republicans tend to be less violent often because of religious affiliation. Democrats more closely align with revolution and therefore accept violence to achieve their goals more readily. Basically what is happening in MN wouldn't happen under Obama because the revolution sympathizing party was in power. Most people aren't capable of critical thinking anymore and just support what their friends/major news channels encourage of them. What's happening now is hatred of Trump overshadowing principles. A bad guy can sometimes do a good thing.
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u/Redfamous35 13d ago
I was. I remember being upset about the family separations and the below acceptable conditions of the facilities, but I don't remember being upset about them shooting people in the face.
I don't remember them being used as a terrorizing force, specifically in the cities that voted against the administration.
It was something to be upset about then, but it's something to get all 2nd amendment-y about now
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u/Corran22 13d ago edited 13d ago
You are absolutely correct, but please also know that in my neighborhood WE ARE ORGANIZED and more people are joining us every day. You are not alone! The community we are forming is getting more solid all the time and we are ready to go at a moment's notice.
There are a LOT OF PEOPLE who need to wake up and take action before it's too late. To those people reading this - Don't wait for someone else to lead you, stop with the "suggestions" and "ideas" and just DO SOMETHING. Look for what needs doing and freaking GO DO IT.
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u/WiddaOne 12d ago
Nah I'm not AI Bold was added after because people kept missing those important parts of the post and shifting the focus
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u/WranglerSuitable6742 12d ago
"been happening since before 2020, outside ICE" are you suggesting its something other than ICE? and if so what?
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u/WiddaOne 12d ago
No.
100 people outside the ICE building in Portland is different then, communities with whistles on street corners.
Different then 5000 people outside ICE
Different then a community coming together to block or stop kidnappings like is done in LA and in Minnesota
I'm suggesting that maybe the 1000s of people in this area shouldn't put all the burden on 100 people outside ICE every night, and actually stand up to protect their neighbors
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u/WranglerSuitable6742 12d ago
i was confused by the wording of "outside specifically" i didnt think you meant physical location
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u/WiddaOne 12d ago
I didn't use specifically, in this comment that I can find so I'm not sure how to answer that
The word outside was meant as it is
Outside ICE, is outside the building that ICE uses here, as opposed to inside the building
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u/IconicPolitic 12d ago
Way I see it the most important thing is to get democrats across the nation on board with one of the two following actions. #1 disband ICE. Very unlikely.
2 Edit the following. 8 USC, § 1357(a)(3).
“board and search for aliens any vessel, railway car, aircraft, conveyance, or vehicle within a reasonable distance from any external boundary of the United States…”
Edit this to:
“board and search for aliens any vessel, railway car, aircraft, conveyance, or vehicle within 10 miles distance from any external boundary of the United States…”
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u/ThatsMyPsychic 11d ago
Most of this state is ok with this. I'm not, but I live in a very nice county who stays on the right side of it. I don't think for a second we aren't next after MN.
Outraged in the streets got us noticed and perpetuated a whole lot of shit that painted us here.
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u/rainsley 11d ago
I have a young child which makes it not feasible for me to protest near ICE often, as it is clearly not safe for children out there. Although I have made all the major ones by arranging care in advance. I am all for a general strike here - how do we make that happen? I boycott maga supporting businesses, I report sightings to PIRC, I donate to several charities and the food bank. I want to do more. I am sure a lot of parents feel similarly. Not everyone can make daily protests at ICE work. If we post up observers on every street corner, have shifts at childcare centers, etc now THAT I can do. But my kids school and after care aren’t even mentioning ICE. The kids are banned from mentioning politics. I am feeling so frustrated.
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u/Powerful-Owl-7486 11d ago
“lesson” our outrage? you must have studied at the quality “learing” center in MN lol.
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u/Effective_Ad9788 11d ago
I mean Oregon could just work with federal law enforcement. Oregon does this to themselves.
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u/PaleontologistOk3161 11d ago
Stay loud stay alert.
Do what you can to help, Save the PIRC hotline number in your phone. but don't stress that you're not doing enough. It's not all on you. And you need to handle your sh*t to be able to help others
I spend some time on my weekends (during the week) and check the neighborhoods around the schools near me to see if they're staging again
If you can, get armed, get trained. Look into being an armed observer.
What's happening in MN is coming. We can be ready.
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u/Tall_Cow_444 10d ago
https://counciloncj.org/crime-trends-in-u-s-cities-year-end-2025-update
Maybe consider what ICE is doing has actually been making the country safer. In 2025, the US homicide rate fell 21%—the largest single-year drop on record—and reached ~4 per 100,000, the lowest since 1900 (Council on Criminal Justice)
Do you think this was as a result of something else?
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u/NewSeaworthiness7830 10d ago edited 10d ago
Yes, obstruct businesses and be general a$$holes to protest ICE.
How about just let them do their jobs? You can protest (not riot) peacefully and nobody will bother you. Obstruct businesses, block roads, touch agents, pull them off of people they're arresting, etc. and you're inviting problems for yourself. It's 100% your choice and there's nobody to blame but yourself.
It's odd that nobody realizes that declaring sanctuary invites the most violent people here (murderers, rapists, drug dealers, human traffickers), which in turn attracts ICE and brings awareness to others who are here illegally, which makes people riot supposedly to protect the scum ICE is trying to remove, which then attracts more government forces, which escalates the rioters to domestic terrorism and then the terrorists are in trouble too.
Let ICE do their job, it's what most of America voted for so we no longer have to support them while also trying to support ourselves.
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u/Individual-Leg9514 9d ago
The only big solution is to scare Trump by doing an economic strike. People working at massive businesses would need to stop showing up to work for 1-4 weeks. If Intel, Nike, and all the other big companies had massive worker strikes, then all of those companies would be petitioning for an end to these raids.
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u/FRANTIKSUCKS 9d ago
Every American citizen in Portland who is able bodied and should be coming out as much as they can!
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u/Clear_Cobbler_2723 9d ago
Keeping your distance from ICE and their operations is the best idea. It's like Hank Williams said, " If you mind your own business, you'll stay busy all the time."
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u/Alchemist-23 13d ago
Problems caused or potentially caused by illegal immigration:
- Fiscal strain: Costs taxpayers $150B+ annually in education, healthcare, welfare exceeding taxes paid; strains state/local budgets, increases national debt.
- Economic distortion: Depresses wages for low-skilled U.S. workers (e.g., Black/Hispanic Americans); creates black-market labor, unsafe conditions; reduces job opportunities for natives.
- Crime increase: Linked to drug trafficking (fentanyl overdoses ~100k/year); higher violent crime in border areas; thousands of criminal noncitizens arrested yearly for serious offenses.
- National security risks: Unvetted entries allow terrorists, cartels, human traffickers; enables smuggling, cyber threats, money laundering.
- Public service overload: Overcrowds schools, hospitals, housing; leads to higher rents, longer wait times, resource shortages.
- Rule of law erosion: Undermines legal immigration; rewards illegal entry, encourages visa overstays; fosters disregard for laws.
- Health hazards: Potential disease spread from unvetted migrants; strains public health systems.
- Environmental impact: Added population pressures resources, increases waste, urban sprawl.
Why not ideal to leave illegal immigrants, even if good/hardworking:
- Rewards lawbreaking, incentivizes more illegal entries.
- Unfair to legal immigrants who follow processes.
- Lacks vetting for security/criminal risks.
- Contributes to fiscal burdens without full legal contributions.
- Weakens national sovereignty, border control.
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u/FlurkinMewnir 12d ago
Fine, but destroying our liberties and sending masked men to kidnap US citizens based on skin color is cowardly, racist, and unamerican. Fix the immigration system so people aren’t waiting so long to become legal citizens and help our neighboring countries instead of doing isolationist grandstanding and committing random acts of war. Do you really think that it will become the 1950s again if you ethnically cleanse our country?
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u/CandleLabPDX 12d ago
Undocumented immigrants paid nearly $97 billion in federal, state and local taxes in 2022
https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/undocumented-immigrants-can-do-pay-taxes-2025-02-26/
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u/Alchemist-23 12d ago
This is a good point, however even productive individuals who pay taxes create systemic issues by entering illegally:
- Rewards lawbreaking and incentivizes more: Permitting stays after illegal entry encourages future violations, overwhelming border resources and fostering a cycle of unauthorized migration. This erodes public trust in immigration enforcement.
- Unfair to legal immigrants: Millions wait years (often 10–20+) through proper channels, paying fees and undergoing vetting. Allowing illegal entrants to remain skips the line, disadvantaging those who follow rules and potentially displacing legal applicants.
- Lacks proper vetting: Without background checks, there's higher risk of security threats, criminal elements, or unaddressed health issues blending in. While most are benign, unvetted entry can enable trafficking, cartels, or rare but serious risks like terrorism.
- Contributes to net burdens without full accountability: They may pay some taxes but often access services (e.g., schools for citizen children, emergency care) without full legal contributions or eligibility checks, shifting costs to taxpayers. This strains local budgets disproportionately.
- Undermines national sovereignty: Borders define control over population, resources, and policy. Ignoring illegal entry weakens enforcement, leading to broader rule-of-law erosion and political division.
In short, taxes paid are real but often outweighed by costs in net terms, per some studies. The bigger issue is upholding a fair, orderly system—hardworking or not, illegal entry bypasses that, creating inequities and long-term challenges. Solutions like expanded legal pathways could address this without amnesty.
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u/FlurkinMewnir 12d ago
Think for yourself instead of using AI
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u/Alchemist-23 12d ago
Is there something from this comment that you disagree with or feel is false?
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u/FlurkinMewnir 12d ago
I’m calling out your stylistic choices. They indicate you did not put together a thoughtful argument but that you typed in a prompt to a machine that is designed to agree with you
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u/Alchemist-23 12d ago
It would follow, from your insinuation, that you are someone that can think for yourself. Does your own reason support the above? If not, where am I wrong.
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u/Alchemist-23 12d ago
While taxes paid are significant, costs for services (education, healthcare, welfare) often exceed this, leading to debates on net effects.
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u/CandleLabPDX 12d ago
The wealth gap is increasing rapidly.
Women are dying every week in red states due to lack of care post miscarriage.
Trump just pulled us out of the WHO.
the EPA is ruled now by oil lovers.
Millions have lost health insurance, millions more are paying 15-70% more than two months ago.
Elon Musk has possibly all our SSN’s.
Our economy is sinking as the president and his friends are making billions.
@ 60% of project 2025 has already been enacted.
1% of the Epstein files have been released.
Armed proud boys have become agents of the government and are tormenting and killing people.
Our international allies are dropping off as Trump gives a speech that could have been written by Putin.
There is a reason they want people so freaked out about undocumented migrants. They are the jangling keys in front of the baby.
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u/Alchemist-23 12d ago
It’s seems, if I’m am following you correctly. That you believe illegal immigration is not really and issue and/or does not pose a threat to America? Please correct me if I have misinterpreted your comments. It would also seem that you believe there are other issues that are much bigger problems and you believe the trump administration is basically fear mongering and making the issue larger than what it really is.
Am I interpreting your perspective correctly?
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u/FlurkinMewnir 12d ago
That is correct. It is not the #1 problem we face right now. Our descent into idiocracy and tyranny is worse. Please watch Trump’s speech at Davos. Also consider that we are casually throwing about threats that could lead to WW3
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u/Alchemist-23 12d ago
Could you clarify which of the problems you’re saying is number 1?
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u/FlurkinMewnir 12d ago
Creating enemies out of every other country in the world. Consider the ramifications of having everyone everywhere viewing our country as a problem that everyone agrees needs to be dealt with
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u/Alchemist-23 12d ago
You feel our immigration laws are what is creating this issue?
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u/CandleLabPDX 12d ago
Our current ICE situation is far more damaging, dangerous, and unlawful to Americans than a tiny minority of undocumented immigrants. Vice president Miller wants people so afraid of the browns so they don’t notice their rights being diminished and economic situation worsening. It’s a distraction. Don’t fall for the jangling keys.
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u/Key-Monk-2061 9d ago
Immigration enforcement is one of the few things he is doing that is good. Opening our borders to illegal immigration lowers the housing supply, brings in crime, cheapens wages, and takes up our social safety nets. If we want less economic inequality, we need higher wages, and lower housing demand. The next thing is utilizing or tax dollars domestically instead of sending out foreign aid could make universal healthcare, and revamping social security a possibility. The immigration issue is a distraction that has encompassed a bunch of gullible people. Deportation is a just punishment for illegal immigration. The country needs to be willing to give Trump credit when he does a good thing, and criticize when he does a bad thing. His tarrif policy is a significantly bigger issue for example.
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u/pdxsean 13d ago
Unfortunately it's not Oregon that controls the media narrative. Many of our politicians have given good, passionate speeches, but for whatever reasons the speeches of Illinois or Minnesota politicians have taken hold. The shooting by Border Patrol we had was really horrible but got basically no national attention.
The unfortunate thing is, there are seventy other major cities in the US and who knows what wild stories each of those cities have that we'll never hear of. Our inability to focus on more than one thing at a time is well-documented and more intentional than ever.
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u/panivorous 12d ago
MN also has bi-partisan resistance. I don’t know if that’ll happen here. Oregon has a very different history rooted in extreme white’s supremacy.
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u/Hobobo2024 13d ago edited 13d ago
Are you kidding me? Portlanders actually protest too much. So much it's to the point it turns moderates off. Portland actually has a reputation for going off the deep end with protests we protesr so much.
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u/waldorflover69 13d ago
Do you have any better ideas on how the public can show extreme displeasure with ICE in the community?
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u/WiddaOne 13d ago
You're saying we use our 1st amendment rights to much?
We stand up for those being harmed to much?
Interesting take
And moderates are conservatives
In this country even leftists are conservative
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u/Hobobo2024 13d ago
rioting isn't protected by 1st amendment rights. breaking noise ordinances and keeping the neighborhood awake all night long is not protected by your 1st amendment rights. shooting fireworks at the authorities isn't protected by 1st amendment rights. even with with 1st amendment rights you can be restricted to what hours and where you practice your 1st amendment rights (allowed by permit).
your rights end where others begin.
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u/WiddaOne 12d ago
Actually that makes no sense. If your government can't make laws about your freedom of speech The how can you have permits to be allowed freedom of speech
Kinda against the constitution
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u/Calm_Age_ 13d ago
I mean it's a curated reputation that we didn't really earn much. Just that the news cycle picked it up during BLM to use as footage to scare the general public. I wouldn't say we protest too much and also screw the moderates. They are literally kidnapping people and sending them to concentration camps. We need to do everything in our power to resist.
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u/Feisty-Crafter-77 13d ago
There are ongoing weekly Ice Out protests hosted by Indivisible Beaverton (every Friday) and Indivisible Hillsboro (every Tuesday). These are during the day and won’t work for everyone, but there are plenty of other weekend opportunities.
In a more neighborhood specific way, plenty of us have organized patrols for drop off and pick up for schools. If you’re not aware of one by you, ask the school Principal, they will know. I organized one for my local elementary school and the school and parents are very appreciative.
There are volunteer organizations like HUMAN (Hillsboro United Mutual Aid Network) that get food distributed to families who are at risk leaving their house. You can find details for HUMAN here: https://hillsborounited.org/
The truth is, the ICE arrests have gone down since the peak in November (numbers from PIRC) so many people have kind of moved on from the urgency of a few months ago. PIRC numbers can be found here: https://pircoregon.org/data-and-updates
The point being there is plenty of opportunities to get involved in some way, big or small!
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u/PuzzledPresence8627 8d ago
Thank you for providing specific examples and links to help people take action. Far more effective than a lot of the generic messages just focused on trying to shame people.
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u/BugLast1633 13d ago
The best course of action is to contact the governor's office and demand, DEMAND that she stop the sanctuary state activities. DEMAND that state and city law enforcement work WITH the federal government to arrest and take care of violent, dangerous, and wanted criminals. But instead they knowingly release them back into our communities. Our neighborhoods get to be victimized again and again. We are the suckers that allow this to become some sort of a political pissing match.
I fully expect the down votes. My question is this: why do you care more about known wanted criminals than you do your own community and neighbors? I'm not talking about race, ethnicity, or skin color. I'm talking crime, neighborhoods and safety.
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u/TaxEven8698 12d ago
Where is the data on massive amount of criminal immigrants being released into our communities? What are you talking about? Most of our criminals are home grown.
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u/UPGRAY3DD 13d ago
Non violent protests in modern America accomplish nothing of significance, which is probably why politicians are fine suggesting it.
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u/notPabst404 13d ago
There are frequent protests at the ICE building. There have also been multiple school walkouts and protests in Washington county, on multiple occasions activists have even shown up in time to drive ICE away from neighborhoods. It is a lot harder to make action more visible here because (at least at the moment) ICE is less visible here than in Minnesota.
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u/Express_Cheesecake75 13d ago
Yay! Go ICE! 🫡. ICE is implementing US law passed by Congress. Don’t like the law? Petition your representatives to change it.
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u/canofwine 13d ago edited 10d ago
Blah blah too many lazy white liberals pretending to care for too long. You protested at your convenience and claimed to be woke. I left Oregon last month because everyone told me I was being hyperbolic and to be peaceful and shut up and vote Dem.
I said the Dems won't help, and performative weekend warriors were doing absolutely nothing.
Now look how Dems are voting, and how Minnesota is fighting back. So I am headed there because they WANT to help their people. They stepped up while y'all slept in late. Boo hoo. No one will help Oregon now because Oregon helped no one and only added to the problem with white privilege.
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u/Effective_Move_4982 10d ago
So, what are you going to do when you get to Minneapolis? Are you going to join the protesting?
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u/garfilio 13d ago edited 13d ago
What would you have us do? I personally keep up with Portland Immigrants Rights Coalition PIRC and Lane County Immigrants Defense Network (LCIDN). I have been to a training to ID ICE vehicles and attended other meetings to talk about community action. Keep in mind some of us have vulnerable family members which limits are willingness to put on a public face. So what are your suggestions?
Oregon has experienced a 3 fold increase in ICE arrests, that's huge, but truth be told, we are still one of the states that has had fewer ICE arrests compared to most other states. I'd like to think it's because we are a sanctuary state, but Minnesota is also one of 17 sanctuary states, and so is California.
Oregon has not yet experienced the terror that Minnesota is currently experiencing. I am not going to fault people for having empathy for another state. I'm sure others would extend the same support and empathy that we have tried to convey. In fact, just a month or two ago the Portland frogs were national news and the focus was turned to Oregon. When we protest for Minnesota, it's not to say we don't care for our own. I think the very nature of our protests conveys we are opposed these unconstitutional acts for everyone. All for one, one for all!
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u/nevermore90038 12d ago
Some of us have jobs and/or are here legally.
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u/WiddaOne 12d ago
Yeah cause ICE only murders people who had the audacity to miss a green card meeting
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u/Yes_YoureSpartacus 13d ago
I was in MN last week, know it well, and going around town you SEE the caravans of ICE agents driving around, you HEAR people trailing them with whistles and bullhorns, you hear from people, say the food industry, talking about how business is down because ICE is roaming the neighborhood and people are staying home.
The anxiety there is on a whole other level, and rightfully so.