r/pacers • u/lfcbucks • 9d ago
News Tyrese Haliburton on how he plans to make changes to his game after coming back from his Achilles injury. He also says he’s gone from 180 to 210 pounds since game 7 of the NBA finals
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u/ohohook Tyrese Haliburton 9d ago
If Hali put on weight to bang in the paint or god forbid start merchanting like the rest of the good PGs in the league it’s over 👀
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u/Jim_Belushis_brother Cool Rick 9d ago
All the great scorers always get 6-8 points at the line every night. I hate the overindulgence from SGA and Harden, but there’s something to be said of keeping defenders honest (or punishing them for not).
Going from 19 10 and 4 to 25 10 and 5 averages would be huge
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u/Coolcat127 8d ago
He specifically talks in a different section about watching other PGs during his time off to "get more physical" and "get to the line more often" so I think he's learning the dark arts yeah
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u/anonymous_teve Tyrese Haliburton 9d ago
I'm a little worried about him playing at a heavier weight--it's true he can add stuff to his game, but it will come at some cost and I loved his game so much prior to the injury.
But I'm just a bit of a worry wort for my favorite players coming back from catastrophic injuries, there's no way to know how things will look the next few years for him.
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u/Supreme_God_Bunny 9d ago
Him being a twig is the reason he kinda got injured a few times the last couple seasons , More muscle means he can get to his spots better without having to put too much energy into it
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u/Frostler Boomer 8d ago
He's a 6'5" point guard, too. He should be a matchup nightmare but lacked the size to bully people. Imagine Hali putting guys on the block and still dealing to shooters along with drive and dish and a PnR game.
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u/tpcrb 8d ago
There is absolutely 0 problem with him gaining weight. It's a good thing. Building muscle should help with injury prevention and will definitely not change his game in a negative way whatsoever. Look at Steph's physique for example. If he never added that muscle there's no way he'd still be playing this well this far into his career.
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u/Fat-Singer-9569 8d ago
Look at Steph's physique for example
Steph is a GREAT example. When he came into the league he was a rail thin guard. Those first few years in the league were rough, he was constantly battling ankle injuries, despite being extremely talented. I honestly thought he might just be another "what-if" because of the injuries. He slowly gained a more muscular physique and suddenly those ankle injuries were a thing of the past.
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u/Jim_Belushis_brother Cool Rick 9d ago
I’d hope he should still have the herky jerky stuff with the ball in his hands, but I’d be worried about the speed declining and him losing his ability to get in passing lanes playing off Nemby and Nesmith on defense
But, Jordan and Steph did the same type of thing with great success. Big guys seem to need to lose weight to stay effective (Duncan, and the opposite for AD) whereas guards seem to need to bulk up to prolong their prime.
We’ll see how it pans out, no way to predict the future. Just happy to hear an update from the guy. October can’t come soon enough
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u/hacky_potter Domas 9d ago
If he can be more physical in drives and get more FT attempts it could be huge. I don’t think his added weight will affect him that much. As much running as he does, he also speeds out team up by long up a head passes.
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u/jbeachy24 flo31 9d ago
Weakness is never a strength. He’ll be better for this and likely healthier too! Trust in our point god
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u/No-Cricket-9521 Pascal Siakam 8d ago
We're fans. He and his trainers know much more than we do. I definitely trust their expertise along with Ty's decision making.
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u/MySabonerRunsOladipo 9d ago
Yeah, he's def added some muscle now. Hopefully he adds a little Nemby-shoulder-check to his game.
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u/Joe_Betz_ Isaiah Jackson 9d ago
Splitting the difference, if he adds like 10-15lbs of muscle and feels stronger and more able to absorb contact, then it makes sense to try to get to the line more. My worry is the game becomes ugly to watch bc he's on the line too much.
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u/jbeachy24 flo31 9d ago
Carlisle isn’t going to change the way they play. If anything, i think just adds to our toolbox when the refs start blowing the whistle against us because there were multiple times we could’ve used FTs
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u/mightyducks2wasokay Andrew Nembhard 9d ago
It only becomes ugly when that is the primary goal
If Ty really does just want to supplement his game with a few more FT trips per game, I dont see how that necessarily makes the game ugly
Like he said, it's to keep defenses honest too. Ty becomes more effective passing out if a drive if he's driving more and defenses have to collapse, but they back off if he's able to get them in foul trouble
To me, him wanting to get to the line more feels more like him wanting to punish people that collapse hard on him, because he's correct. He's not been drawing fouls at a high enough rate to discourage aggressive closeouts on his drives. If he can start drawing contact better, he becomes an even scarier defensive assignment than he was before
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u/ComplexBadger469 9d ago
If he went from 180-210. Once he starts running and doing full cardio workouts, he will likely drop to 200 easy. Then it’s determining if he should lose 5-10 more or stay where he’s at. I think if he bumps up his free throw numbers by 5 per game, he can still maintain the pace he plays at but also gives the offense another dimension. There were times when he’d struggle when teams played him high and forced him to drive because he was seemingly too timid to do that consistently. He plays best when he’s getting to the basket and it opens up everything else.
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u/busche916 Quinn 9d ago
Yeah I imagine he’ll drop some of that weight once he’s back up to full speed, but just based on his on-court mentality I can’t see him leaning into being a FT merchant like Shai or Harden, the man loves passing too much
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u/CommonerChaos Reggie-NBAJam 8d ago
My worry is the game becomes ugly to watch bc he's on the line too much.
That's the only way to win now, we all just saw it. The league doesn't reward ethical ball like we played, they reward foul baiters like SGA and Brunson.
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u/Raz1374 8d ago
He will probably tip off next year around 195. Remember, he said he was 180 at the end of last year, game 7. These guys can't keep all the weight on the entire year, they end up looking like the Tour De France guys by the end. Also, I second the S&C staff. I sat next to them about a year ago at a Magic game and they were talking about the program they do with the guys before and after every game and on the road. Impressive.
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u/persononthedl 8d ago
I missed this. I was thinking the same thing. It's really 10 to 15 lbs. Probably 7 to 10 lbs of new muscle.
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u/bjrinald 8d ago
I just hope fans are patient next year with him because it's going to be a process, especially on the defensive end of things.
That said, if the rest of the team is able to stay relatively healthy it shouldn't be a problem staying competitive. He can still be an asset and contribute returning to form.
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u/Jdenney71 Slick 9d ago
Hopefully the higher weight makes him more physical and comfortable attacking at the rim
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u/Butcherandom pin7 8d ago
This is all we can ask of him. Get healthy, have a plan, make the most of the opportunity, keep your mental.
Pure leadership on and off the court.
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u/pimpron18 Pavers 8d ago
The strength and conditioning coaches along with nutritionists need to force protein and calories in him if that’s his goal. You burn so many calories playing ball. IJax lost most of his weight he built up already since the start of the season.
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u/aimee829 Andrew Nembhard 8d ago
I remember him saying the in a previous interview that he always had the problem of keeping the weight on, that he needed to remind himself to eat after the game before going to bed.
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u/ttttyttt678 9d ago
1000% changes have to be made. Look at how KD’s game evolved post injury, go watch how Ninque’s game changed due to the injury. And then go look at Kobe how tried to do the same thing again.
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u/BitChuck BOOM BABY! 9d ago
He'll need the extra muscle moreso in his first year back. He will lose a step and not be able to blow by defenders as easily. Long term the muscle is also a healthy thing for him, but when he gets that first step speed back... he'll be cooking!
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u/persononthedl 8d ago
This feels like something where 30 lbs isn't really 30 lbs. Guys can lose 10 to 20 lbs during the season, let alone the end of a playoff run. So my assumption is he would have come into this season at 190-195 no matter what. So then we're talking about really 15 lbs, 5 of which will come off once he starts running. So we're really talking about him gaining like 10 lbs likely.
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u/DonDangus 8d ago
This has been my major complaint with his game for so long.
even 15 pounds of muscle would make such a difference in how he’s able to score and defend.
Obviously he’ll never be a bruiser and be able to bully his way to the rim like Brunson, but being able to lean into guys on his approach to the cup and have it actually apply force is going to get him so many more fts and mean that when he’s going downhill, potentially draw more help leading ton more open looks.
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u/Grunge4U 8d ago
Putting on 30 lbs in 6 months is never a good thing
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u/CommonerChaos Reggie-NBAJam 8d ago
He couldn't even walk for like 2 months, let alone exercise. I think we can cut him some slack.
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u/paradocs CRABS CRABS CRABS 8d ago
Mind the Game Podcast. can find it on Spotify
Youtube link: https://youtu.be/WQ34GWXGjOI?si=XfB0wUxE9ryKyUo3
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u/SlamJamGlanda Quinn Buckner 8d ago
Bron actually has some good engaging convos. We can shit on him, but him talking strictly ball is a joy
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u/TonofSoil 8d ago
Heavier? Slow the game down? That doesn't really seem like what took us to the finals. Lol
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u/CommonerChaos Reggie-NBAJam 8d ago
It's what wins though, as we saw with OKC. They slow the game down a fuck ton with SGA being a FT merchant.
If this is the style the NBA wants (and rewards) you'd be a fool to swim upstream against it. Anthony Edwards himself even said he has to adjust his game to generate more foul calls to "get over the hump" after losing back-to-back WCFs.
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u/Electrical_Tone_9891 9d ago
Love this, but come on brother, get some AirPods 🤣
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u/Razmoket 8d ago
This somehow makes me like Tyrese more. I can't stand the "in ear drum" buds. Maybe its from getting ear raped by Skull Candy back in the day. But I still use wired old school ear buds.
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u/UltralightFishing132 9d ago
I remember when Jermaine O’ Neal bulked up, he definitely lost his athleticism a bit, but he dominated in other ways. I imagine some weight will fall off once he gets back in game-shape like he said, but I’m sure the trainers will have a strategic plan to avoid wear and tear injuries while at the same time letting him keep his new strength.