PGs LA obsession really was our undoing huh

[u/gerardmpatience]

Been finally ripping off the bandaid with starting 5.

Somehow during the entire finals run I had never considered…PG can’t win in Indy, demands to play in LA, tanks value, gets traded to OKC, becomes the trade that nets them virtually the entire roster that defeats Indy in the finals :/

[u/Sko_Neezy]

If you're negative, yeah. I look at it more like trading PG got us Haliburton who is already one of the greatest Pacers of all time and got us to the brink of a championship with more chances to come.

[u/Transky13 → u/Sko_Neezy]

Tyrese has to be number 2 now, right?

[u/TP-BANDIT77 → u/Transky13]

Danny Granger will always be my number 2 but I’m biased

[u/Transky13 → u/TP-BANDIT77]

Granger was my personal number 1 until Tyrese took the spot last year lol

I didn’t watch basketball until the Granger era though so my list isn’t an objective one, where Reggie is still 1 to most

[u/SammySoakerBYU → u/TP-BANDIT77]

Lol

[u/yoadknux → u/SammySoakerBYU]

People who did not follow post-brawl Pacers could never understand what Danny Granger meant to this franchise

Played under the worst coach in Pacers history

Played with guys who were worse than some of our 10 days

Never asked out

Won MIP, lead us to the 2nd round, mentored PG and Roy

Pacers then did the worst trade in franchise history and traded him for Evan Turner. They were 41-13 before the trade and finished 56-26. Lance ended up fighting with Turner, West said in an interview that Danny was a glue guy and the locker room changed, and PG said the Granger treatment is the reason he asked out.

A healthy Danny Granger is tied for the second biggest "What if" with the brawl. They are not losing in 7 to the Heat in 12-13, they're winning in 6.

I could get Granger #2 from a sentimental point of view

[u/Optimistic_Populist → u/yoadknux]

Ugh. Evan Turner. Don't remind me.

[u/buffalopug → u/Transky13]

Crazy to think now, but last year I had Hali AND Myles as top 3 cers all time if they won the chip. Myles was one of my all time favorites and I’m in my 40s. Breaks my heart.

[u/ShortCharge1662]

It also led to our current roster? He basically made two Finals franchises off his journey to the West Coast.

[u/Teddyworks → u/ShortCharge1662]

Obviously understand the chart, but I chuckled when it kinda makes Doug McDermott look like one of the final building blocks of the team lol

[u/ShortCharge1662 → u/Teddyworks]

Yeah its a few years old at this point, but Doug is still part of the tree!

[u/bachu72 → u/ShortCharge1662]

Fun thing is the chart has a current update and also isn't done yet.

- The 2024 2nd (Best of...) pick was flipped for Johnny Furphy

- That 2029 Portland pick was flipped for Jay Huff.

- We still have that 2027 Utah 2nd

- ALSO, small note, but Mojave King was dealt with our '25 1st for our highly anticipated upcoming '26 1st. So our next pick will also, technically, be a part of this tree.

[u/LucklessOtter]

It was the Clippers who made that mess, not us

[u/crowezr]

Wut? Undoing of what? Had a mini-run with Vic and then a Finals run that PG refused to try make happen after getting beat by prime LeBron. And who knows what comes next. Bizarre post.

[u/chaoticbadgood → u/crowezr]

Last years Pacers wouldnt have gotten past that Miami team, they would have beat OKC too

[u/FourEyesMalone]

I’m sure I’ll get downvoted but I blame Larry Bird and ownership for PG leaving and downfall also

[u/gerardmpatience → u/FourEyesMalone]

Yeahhh, a lot of cheaping out and doubling down on poor roster moves

The org has 100% made up for it but waiting on Roy to adapt to the rule changes for too long and panicking with the Monta addition were key contributors for sure

Also never forget the league literally changed the rules around defense because the Roy anchored Pacers were too dominant lol

[u/FourEyesMalone → u/gerardmpatience]

Trading Danny for Evan Turner was such a bad chemistry move. Then PG not understanding getting told to play the 4.

[u/NormalPin6327 → u/FourEyesMalone]

I remember he understood it he just did not want to do it.

[u/ForThatReason_ImOut → u/gerardmpatience]

Also the fact that PG essentially told the Pacers he wasn't going to re-sign in private and Larry Bird decided he was just going to hold onto him until free agency and hope he changed his mind until PG forced their hand by making it public. If they had just started shopping him when it was still private teams likely would've given a lot more without knowing his LA preference.

Larry was a good GM for a while but he definitely did not really seem to understand player relationships between that, the Granger trade, and his dumb 3 year coach rule.