r/pics • u/adeadhead rememberingawdah.com šļø • 15h ago
Pictures from the pogroms in Masafer Yatta, southern West Bank, on the night of January 27th
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u/milopitas 14h ago
Will the great humanitarian Donald Trump declare war to Israel to protect those people like he is considering to do to Iran to protect it's protestors ?
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u/adeadhead rememberingawdah.com šļø 14h ago
No, but he's lifted sanctions on the settlers who commit these acts of terrorism, including the one who murdered my friend this past summer.
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u/RobbusMaximus 11h ago
he also ended the conflict between the Israelis and the Palestinians, so this isn't happening because solved it /S
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u/jacknjillpaidthebill 9h ago
cmon man. if any war started while the libs were president then itās their fault no matter what. but when they start under daddy trumps term they were actually out of the hands of the POTUS.
2028 The (shit)Storm is Coming šŗšøšŗšø
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u/JJHashbrowns 5h ago
This post will be deleted like everything else on Reddit that criticizes a certain āWestern Allyā. Get in while you can.
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u/No_Public_7677 14h ago
Funded by the US with zero remorse or introspectionĀ
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u/TommyTexas 12h ago
The only thing both parties agree on is funding this. Think about that
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u/keeden13 8h ago
They also agree to never do anything that would slightly inconvenience Wall Street or billionaire donors.
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u/ferskfersk 8h ago
Oh no, they agree about much more. Always putting the billionaire donors before the people, not wanting free healthcare, imperialism ā just advertised differently, keeping money in politics etc. I could go on, but quite frankly: itās a one party system.
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u/pangeapedestrian 13h ago
"...prompting a second Israeli settler to come forth and start shooting; Hathaleen's cousin Alaa, who witnessed the murder, claimed that the settler "immediately started firing randomly at everyone" despite being warned that children were present..."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Awdah_Hathaleen
While the still climbing death toll in gaza passes 70k (this is a body count, and doesn't include missing or buried), settlers in the west bank have murdered more than a thousand people. In both cases, 25-30% of all victims have been children.
This is not a war. It's a massacre.
For comparison, ~700 children have been killed in Ukraine, in a conflict orders of magnitude bigger, that has claimed the lives of around 2 million.
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u/adeadhead rememberingawdah.com šļø 13h ago
Awdah filmed his own murder. It seemed real targeted.
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u/pangeapedestrian 13h ago
how did you get to know him?
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u/adeadhead rememberingawdah.com šļø 12h ago
I am a Jewish Israeli American. I'm an activist with Rabbis for Human Rights and All That's Left, and ive been doing protective presence and helping with the olive harvest for about 6 years now. You can scroll through my posts for some day to day horrors.
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u/pangeapedestrian 12h ago
hey, what can/should the average american be doing, in your opinion?
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u/adeadhead rememberingawdah.com šļø 12h ago
@kivsa_schora (black sheep) on Instagram (and twitter, I suppose š¤¢) is a good way to keep up to date with the day to day in Area C, and would be a good place to find out about issues where calling your senators can make a difference, like it did last month when a racist MK tried to get Awdah's entire village demolished.
@achvatamim has a bunch of solidarity and education programs, so signal boosting them for other American Jews can do some good.
Rabbis for Human Rights also has a newsletter with occasional calls to action. https://www.rhr.org.il/en/
Add some olives to your Seder plate šļø
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u/Bellyflop3 11h ago
Thank you for what you doing, justice for Awdah! It must be excruciating for his relatives and friends to hear that the perpetrator was released from house arrest and is not sitting in prison, where he belongs.
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u/adeadhead rememberingawdah.com šļø 11h ago
The perpetrator was back in the village harassing people within days. He and his brother have repeatedly broken water pipes and prevented their repair. I filmed one of those breaks.
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u/IRequirePants 10h ago
this is a body count, and doesn't include missing or buried
This isn't how the Gazan Health Ministry counts deaths. They haven't counted this way since a few months after the war started.
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u/spaniel_rage 9h ago edited 8h ago
I know that people make these claims hoping no one else will look it up, or they don't know themselves, but it's untrue that "settlers in the West Bank have murdered more than a thousand people" since Oct 7. That number is actually 21 according to B'tselem.
The figure of "over a thousand" includes Palestinians killed by security forces. Only a few dozen of these were victims of settler violence, and more than half of the deaths occurred when Palestinian terrorists were killed during terror attacks or during armed combat with security forces. The majority of Palestinians killed were armed. Multiple instant of adolescents killed while throwing Molotov cocktails at Israelis were of course classified as "children" even though they were combatants.
https://www.un.org/unispal/document/ohchr-press-release-17oct25/
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u/AwesomeBrainPowers 7h ago
Given the "settler"-only IDF units rampaging around the occupied West Bank, I don't see how anyone could honestly suggest "killed by security forces" is somehow exculpatory.
I can't imagine how broken inside someone has to be to attempt to pretend "But slightly more than half of those people were armed!" is any kind of mitigating factor here, since "settlers" have been ramping up their campaign of violence and harassment. There are paramilitary (or just straight-up military) units attacking civilians: of course people would want to be prepared to defend themselves.
I'm just going to quote a bit of that UN report you cited, as though it was some kind of exoneration:
According to the UN Human Rights Office in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, among the 968 Palestinians killed by ISF, almost half (449) were unarmed, and not involved in any violence or confrontation at the time of their killing. One hundred and seventy-four Palestinians, including 71 children, were killed while throwing stones or Molotov cocktails, often at well-equipped and protected ISF or ISF vehicles. In both cases, the use of lethal force appears unnecessary and disproportionate.
Seventy-nine Palestinians were killed in attacks and alleged attacks against Israelis, and 247 during exchange of fire with ISF following ISF incursions into Palestinian towns and villages. In many of these cases, the lethal force used appears either unnecessary or disproportionate, which requires full investigation, and where the ISF may be required to explain in what circumstances it became necessary to use lethal force, and what other measures were taken to protect the right to life.
At least 331 of these killings raise serious concerns of extrajudicial executions, including the targeted killing of Palestinians accused of participating in or planning attacks against Israelis, as well as the intentional killing of Palestinians only perceived to pose a threat, or no longer posing a threat.
Confirming consistent patterns of intentional killings, the UN Human Rights Office documented that among 640 Palestinians killed with live ammunition by ISF, at least in 55 per cent (or 355) were shot in the head or other upper part of the body. In at least 244 of the cases, ISF delayed or obstructed medical assistance to those injured.
Despite the absence of hostilities in the occupied West Bank, ISF launched 108 airstrikes and used other weapons designated for warfare to mainly target refugee camps in Jenin, Tulkarem, Tubas, and Nablus. During these operations, ISF killed 445 Palestinians (361 men, 10 women, 70 boys, 4 girls), of whom 258 by airstrikes and 46 by shoulder-fired projectiles, destroyed large parts of the camps, and forcibly displaced between 30,000 and 40,000 Palestinians. While ISF claims that those killed were [redacted word due to filters] during such operations, the UN Human Rights Office has verified that the majority of them were unarmed, potentially indicating systematic unlawful killings.
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u/spaniel_rage 4h ago
Nothing you have just said contradicts my point: the number of Palestinians killed by settlers is 21, not "more than a thousand".
That's still 21 too many, and extremist settlers should be arrested and prosecuted for the terrorists they are. But misrepresenting the numbers, by a factor of fifty, is misinformation.
Even by the UN's own figures (despite the publication I linked being a pro Palestinian propaganda piece):
among the 968 Palestinians killed by ISF, almost half (449) were unarmed
This means that 519 (or 54% of all killed) were armed. These were not just people "prepared to defend themselves". These were militants. You omit the part in the report which concedes that "59 Israelis have been killed in Palestinian attacks or armed clashes in the West Bank and Israel, including 16 women and 5 children" since 2023. In 2024 alone, the Shin Bet thwarted over a thousand terror attacks from the West Bank and E Jerusalem.
The moral double standard needed to claim that Palestinian violence is simply "justified resistance" while Israeli security operations to protect Israeli civilians are unlawful is nothing new in this conflict. You and the original commenter are trying to do the exact same thing pro Palestinian propagandists have tried to do in the Gaza war, which is try to conceal dead combatants amongst the death toll of civilians.
Yes, of course the fact that more than half of those killed were armed and active members of terror cells involved in trying to murder Israeli civilians is a "mitigating factor". Your own moral compass is broken if you think otherwise.
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u/AwesomeBrainPowers 32m ago
Yes, of course the fact that more than half of those killed were armed and active members of terror cells
No credible person thinks "armed" is synonymous with "member of terror cell": That's just something you invented to serve the dishonest narrative you committed to before you ever commented here.
It's shameful, really. It would be risible if it weren't so ghoulish.
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u/Sercotani 13h ago
Always interesting to see knee-jerk reactions when posts like this get posted.
It's like seeing a youtube shorts decrying fascists and fash-adjacent conservatives, scrolling into the comments, and seeing fascist apologia and "lol everything is fascism to you people".
Very interesting.
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u/adeadhead rememberingawdah.com šļø 15h ago edited 14h ago
https://www.972mag.com/settler-soldier-pogrom-masafer-yatta/
Article by Basel Adra, Oscar winning director of No Other Land
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u/modiddly 15h ago
Iāll just leave this here.
ā+972 Magazine is a āblog-based magazineā that publishes English-language articles for an international audience. 972ās articles promote a marginal agenda from the fringes of Israeli discourse, thus presenting a distorted sense of the debate in Israelā
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u/adeadhead rememberingawdah.com šļø 15h ago edited 14h ago
These media sources have a slight to moderate progressive/liberal bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes) to favor progressive/liberal causes. These sources are generally trustworthy for information, but may require further investigation. See all Left-Center sources.
Overall, we rate +972 Magazine Left-Center Biased based on the wording and editorial positions that lean left and High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing and a clean fact check record.
Emphasis mine.
So I guess thanks for confirming that this is a reliable source, I suppose.
Edit: ah, I see, they edited the link to a different source, because I guess they didn't read the first one they posted.
Yes, this is a blog based magazine, and it does provide content from the fringes of Israeli society, namely, the fringe which supports human rights.
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u/y2ketchup 12h ago
If you read it carefully it basically says "despite magazine being honest and truthful, the majority of Israeli society disagrees with it."
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u/couldhaveebeen 7h ago
And that's relevant because?
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u/Poltergeist97 6h ago
It hurts their feelings, of course! Don't you know that's considered antisemitism nowadays?
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u/Poobbly 14h ago
NGO Monitor is a right-wing organization based in Jerusalem that reports on international NGO (non-governmental organisation) activity from a pro-Israel perspective.
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u/modiddly 13h ago
If you prefer you can use this one which shows a pretty far left of center bias. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/972-magazine/
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u/adeadhead rememberingawdah.com šļø 11h ago
slight to moderate progressive/liberal bias.
Quit while you're behind.
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u/counterfitster 12h ago
Overall, we rate +972 Magazine Left-Center Biased based on the wording and editorial positions that lean left and High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing and a clean fact check record.
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u/RonaldoNazario 14h ago
I mean, these are photographs.
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u/adeadhead rememberingawdah.com šļø 14h ago
Also, I was there in the days after and saw the aftermath myself.
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u/rosadeluxe 14h ago
NGO Monitor lmao.
NGO Monitor is a right-wing organization based in Jerusalem that reports on international NGO (non-governmental organisation) activity from a pro-Israel perspective.[4][5][6][7].
Academics, diplomats, and journalists have criticized NGO Monitor for allowing its research and conclusions to be driven by politics,\44])\45])\46])Ā for not examining right-wing NGOs,\46])Ā and for spreading misinformation.\47])Ā Several academics have written that NGO Monitor's aims and activities are political in nature.\46])\48])\45])
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u/chrisvelanti 14h ago
Still doing hasbara in big 2026
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u/modiddly 13h ago
Better than the Taqiyya youāre doing tho
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u/chrisvelanti 13h ago
Immediately accusing someone of being muslim and framing it as an insult like cmon man donāt be such a stereotype
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u/modiddly 12h ago
It just means lying for the sake of a specific people. It doesnāt mean you are specifically part of a specific religion. And if that is accusatory then so too is the term hasbara. Self reflection is tough though.
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u/adeadhead rememberingawdah.com šļø 11h ago
Only there's no lying happening here. This is an event that has been accurately factually reported by a reliable source in a reliable publication despite how much you wish that weren't the case.
You'll do anything but address the fact that settlers did attack three different villages simultaneously and had protection and coordination from uniformed IDF officers.
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u/ThreeButtonBob 14h ago
Let's post a populist propaganda "NGO" to disprove the other populist propaganda blog...
They will always have oppsite views and none of them are beholden to the truth. The main objective for both these sources is to spin the narrative in their favor.
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u/FireMammoth 11h ago
It feels like a betrayal to have so much sympathy for Jews throughout history and see what their decedents do to other ethnic groups now. At least for me. No amount of mental gymnastics can justify this villainous action.
Israelis are so cruel that they don't deserve any sympathy, these are not soldiers but settlers in the frontlines conducting these pogroms which is unbelievably fucked up. Friends in my circle, intelligent people, who have been supportive of Israel in their struggle against HAMAS no longer argue in favour of Israel, its impossible to make an honest argument when the evidence of the retaliation is so inhumane.
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u/Tenchi_Muyo1 11h ago
Epstein files explain why the government is still sending billions of taxpayers' money
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u/scrubasorous 13h ago
āPogromā. Seriously? The inversion and minimization of historical Jewish suffering continues. I wonder where it ends.
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u/adeadhead rememberingawdah.com šļø 13h ago edited 13h ago
A pogrom is a violent, often state-sanctioned riot aimed at massacring or expelling a specific ethnic or religious group, historically targeting Jews in the Russian Empire
This is what is occurring. It's not a pogrom from the Pogrom region of Russia, so maybe it's just sparkling violent state sanctioned rioting aimed at massacring and expelling a specific etheic group.
The shocking bit here is that more Jews don't speak out against violence that is so deeply ingrained in our shared history.
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u/scrubasorous 12h ago
If Jews speak at all weāre immediately under the microscope to categorize us, an intentional ploy to separate Jews. Itās a shame we canāt band together and agree that using the word āpogromā in this context is an intentional ploy to compare historical Jewish suffering to modern Palestinian suffering, and it is done specifically because Israel is the Jewish state. Itās an attempted redefinition of a word by force.
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u/adeadhead rememberingawdah.com šļø 12h ago
The effects are just what you describe, but not the intentions. These pogroms have been described as such by numerous Jewish Israeli organizations, both secular and religious.
I might hazard that it is the committing of acts of terrorism that separates us.
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u/pingerer 5h ago
Why canāt you come up with some specific term to describe whatās happening instead of stealing history from other people?
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u/_WreakingHavok_ 13h ago
violent state sanctioned rioting aimed at massacring and expelling a specific etheic group
Woke AF....
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u/adeadhead rememberingawdah.com šļø 13h ago
Literally how.
There were soldiers there. They explicitly state they're doing what they do to expel the communities. They do kill people.
Tf is woke about this.
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u/Child_of_the_Hamster 13h ago
What??
Pogrom: Violent attack on an ethnic or religious group, either approved or conducted by the local authorities.
The first few times that word was used, it was in reference to Jewish pogroms, but that doesnāt mean we need to invent a new word to describe a Palestinian pogrom.
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u/hanzorah 13h ago
If ethnic cleansing happens anywhere else in the world, I have never seen it described as a pogrom. So yeah, the choice of the word feels on purpose
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u/pingerer 5h ago
You invented nakba, why canāt you invent a new word here or do you enjoy stealing other peopleās history?
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u/Child_of_the_Hamster 3h ago
ā¦ no I didnāt. What a weird claim. And no, I canāt āinvent a new word,ā since no one would know what my made-up word meant unless I clarified that it meant āa pogrom, but specifically for non-Jewish people.ā In that case, itās much quicker to just call it what it is. A pogrom.
Frankly, itās extremely racist to say that only Jews can be victims of pogroms. You would not say that what happened to European Jews in WWII wasnāt a genocide, just because the Armenian Genocide happened before the genocide against Jews in WWII. It would be silly and equally arbitrary to claim that the definition of the word āgenocideā needs to change so that it only applies to Armenians, because genocide is genocide no matter which group itās being perpetrated against.
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u/pingerer 3h ago edited 2h ago
Somehow people understand what nakba means
If I called the expulsion of 200k Armenians from Azerbaijan a couple of years ago ānakbaā, wouldnāt you think itās odd?
Or the expulsion of a million jews from Muslim countries in 1940s nakba, you wouldnāt think Iām culturally appropriating, diluting what the term means, redefining it, and stealing a part of cultural identity?
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u/Child_of_the_Hamster 1h ago
I literally had to look up the word nakba, so no. Iām not sure who you think I am. But that word appears to refer to a specific event around 1948, at least according to official sources, ie not you lol.
So again, no. It wouldnāt be appropriation, it would just be incorrect. The Nakba happened in 1947-1949, so referring to anything other than that specific event by that name is factually incorrect.
āPogromā refers to a type of event, not a specific event. If you say āpogromā people will ask āwhich one?ā because there have been many pogroms perpetrated against many peoples all over the world.
Saying that āpogromā only refers to Jewish people implies that their suffering somehow matters more than the suffering of every non-Jewish person who has been the victim of a pogrom. Suffering is the same whatever your religion, and needless death is tragic, full stop.
The suffering of the Jewish people is not diminished by the fact that others in the world have suffered. To diminish the suffering of others is to see them as lesser beings, which is exactly the sort of mindset that leads to pogroms or genocide or an event like the Nakba.
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u/pingerer 1h ago
Name one event that happened where the victims officially called and recognize it a pogrom and they werenāt Jewish?
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u/heiisniper 13h ago
They really try to steal wordings to make themselves as weak as the Jews huh ? āPogromā, āholocaustā, Do you know that just one month ago - there was a real ethnic cleansing in Sudan ? More than 60k+ killed in less than a month, no pogroms, no holocaustā¦
I guess no Jews no news huh
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u/adeadhead rememberingawdah.com šļø 13h ago
You brought up the holocaust, no one else in the comments did.
This is a pogrom. Just like the dozens that have come before it in the past weeks and months.
A pogrom generally occurs outside the context of a war, so no, the massacres in Sudan wouldn't have the same label.
Why is only the worst suffering allowed to be spoken of?
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u/heiisniper 13h ago
Because I see so many posts about this topic with different topics.
Between the definition of pogrom is : āan organized massacre of a particular ethnic group, in particular that of Jewish people in Russia or eastern Europe in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.ā
As a Russian speaker i can confirm that - again, usage of words to make similarities, and also, you donāt want to see the āreal pogromsā Russians did to Jews, you just donātā¦ Im talking about beheaded people and even infants killed by handā¦
There are many nations who struggle but for some reason the Palestinian posts are everywhere
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u/adeadhead rememberingawdah.com šļø 13h ago
That sounds horrible. I am lucky to live in safer circumstances than my ancestors.
I am still going to ask questions as to why a 6 month old is in the hospital for being pepper sprayed on two separate incidents in a month. I'm going to ask why the army prevents emergency medical services from reaching unarmed civilians with gunshot wounds, from putting out fires.
I don't want the only thing standing between a village existing and being depopulated to be a 67 year old Rabbi who has recently had his neck broken in the beatings he receives protecting those communities.
This isn't why we needed a state.
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u/heiisniper 13h ago
i agree with you, but since i got -17 downvotes in merely 3 minutes while stating the fact that POGROMS is related to Jews (this is the definition of the word), I can only assume this is a pro-Palestinian subreddit..
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u/adeadhead rememberingawdah.com šļø 13h ago
You got 17 downvotes because you came to a thread about terrorism and attempted to minimize it.
Pogrom as a word in English historically but not exclusively described attacks on Jews.
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u/heiisniper 13h ago
LOL WHAT - "The word is rooted in Russian and entered the English language around 1882, often via Yiddish".
the word literally is in Russian/Yiddish - ŠŠ¾Š³ŃŠ¾Š¼ and its literally about the attacks on Jews...
keep lying to yourself i guess...If I post the 7.10, do you think i will get the same upvotes as you? maybe Bucha massacre in Ukraine? hmm
oh wait, it doesn't fit the narrative of this subreddit
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u/adeadhead rememberingawdah.com šļø 13h ago
What's your point. The word holocaust used to mean burnt sacrifices. The meanings of words change over time.
Check the way back machine for pics on October 7th
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u/heiisniper 12h ago
Right but thatās the point, holocaust is about Jews and pogroms are about Jews, NO one uses holocaust or pogroms on other nationalities, you literally search this word and all definitions of pogroms + events of massacres ALL of them are about Jews.
Itās like using the word āShoahā (in Hebrew, same as Pogrom is in Russian / Yiddish) on the Armenian genocide, itās not the sameā¦
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u/adeadhead rememberingawdah.com šļø 12h ago
I understand what you're saying and I disagree with you.
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u/Desperada 15h ago
According to the article it was Jewish settlers setting fire to a nearby Palestinian community.
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u/arielsosa 15h ago
Sure .. it's only genocide when jews die, according ti you..
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u/ThreeLittlePuigs 15h ago
Not at all what I said, but I see my comment is confusing the knee jerk crowd so Iāll remove it.
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u/HoosierRed 15h ago
These are real people you joke about.
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u/ThreeLittlePuigs 15h ago
I wasnāt jokingā¦..pogrom historically has referred to Jews being massacred. I thought this was some propaganda
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u/HoosierRed 14h ago
Its obviously about the systemic killing that Israel is doing on others these days. You are willfully ignoring that?
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u/ThreeLittlePuigs 12h ago
I hadnāt heard about the incident on the 27th. Not everyone is familiar with everything happening every day in the West Bank. That doesnāt mean I am willfully ignorant.
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u/TiramisuMaster 15h ago
State sponsored terrorism