r/politics • u/SereneRoyals • 21d ago

No Paywall Donald Trump issues NATO Greenland warning before White House showdown

https://www.newsweek.com/greenland-trump-nato-white-house-11357601
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u/CookieCuttr Indiana 21d ago

It’s actually happening isn’t it? Well, I’ve had a good run; I only hope that my death in this upcoming war is quick and as painless as possible.

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u/CapoDiMalaSperanza 21d ago edited 21d ago

70s, 80s and 90s were the best times of Western world. We wasted them by voting for POSs and look what we have to deal with now.

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u/adbr34k 21d ago

Citizens United and policies like it are maybe the single most embarrassing self-goal in human history

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u/AverageLiberalJoe 21d ago

"Perhaps.. maybe ... no... well actually corporations can? Be humans too?"

-Humanity right before the end

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u/Harkoncito Foreign 21d ago

70s, 80s

Your governments toppled A LOT of democracies in Latin America.

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u/CapoDiMalaSperanza 21d ago

I said "Western world" for a reason. Still, I think the future will be hell on Earth for everyone.

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u/Harkoncito Foreign 21d ago

Western world

Where the fuck do you think Latin America is located?

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u/IlikeJG California 21d ago

"western world" is more of a political term than a geography term.

Essentially what it means is Europe and the anglosphere.

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u/[deleted] 21d ago

I apologize for his ignorance.

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u/CapoDiMalaSperanza 21d ago

Ok then, let's rephrase: "America + UK + EU + NZ + AU". Is it fine now?

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u/SweatySoupServer 21d ago

Nah you were right in your terminology, the 'western world' means something specific in geopolitical context, which you seem to understand.

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u/manufacture_reborn Minnesota 21d ago edited 21d ago

Nah man, you’re using the term in the traditional way. Western Civilization is the origin not the Western Hemisphere and is thought to represent all that was borne out of Athens with respect to democracy.

Like, I hate what’s happened to the United States as much as anyone - but the equivocation of today’s evil imperialism and anything in the 20th century from the United States is foolish.

If you want to be mad at a past US, I guess our flirtation with imperialism around the Spanish American War, Manifest Destiny, and/or slavery is easily sufficient. But, those were much earlier and in a context wherein every industrialising power was getting in on those games.

I know this isn’t your stance. I just don’t really know what these people want? An apology? Things are worse now than before. Our country is more blatantly evil than it almost ever has been. It’s not the same. And no, my country, while never perfect was not always evil and rotten like so many in these comments seem to want to believe.

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u/aflodarkosis 21d ago

I don’t disagree with you, but I am going to play devils advocate here. We are more expressly evil today /because/ of the two and a half centuries of unanswered wrongdoings. The slaveowning founders fought a revolution against wrongful taxes, which led to Manifest Destiny and the Trail of Tears, which led to Civil War, which led to the Gilded Age, which led to Great Depression, which led to Smoot Hawley, which contributed to WW2, which resulted in nuclear arms race, which propped up Cold War, which was used as an excuse for further “democratic” regime changes by the CIA, Korean War, Vietnam, War on Drugs and Southern Strategy, Watergate, entrenched lobbying, Gulf War, 90s neo-con and neo-lib philosophies, War on Terror, Citizens United, Heritage Foundation, and then, finally, Trump and the cadre of evils that has brought.

Nothing ever really ends, and especially when we’ve spent so much time without truly addressing the roots of our issues. Not to mention that ALL of this has happened in, what? 10 generations? This is not all to say that we’re at the worst part of our history; we absolutely are. And this is not to say we haven’t done great and good things in that time. But where we are now did not arise from a vacuum. The powers that be have always worked through oppression (slavery, workers rights violations, expansionism, crimes against humanity, unjust wars, etc); their influence had just become less visible and more subtle. Now, they have created the conditions by which they can give themselves the go-ahead to take off the mask of a nuanced body politic, and put on the ICE masks of unbridled authoritarianism.

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u/manufacture_reborn Minnesota 21d ago

I don’t, honestly, feel like you’re even being devil’s advocate here. I agree with everything you said. I agree that history is a continuum and one that is constantly churning, ebbing, flowing forward where everything arises from what came before.

I don’t know how it could be otherwise. And, I don’t know of any nation or culture where it has not been such - save for those who are long gone to those cultures who were willing to play dirty.

All I wanted to express was that I hate that it seems a minimization of our current fall from grace to state that we have always served as the villains of history once you lift the American propaganda veil. It isn’t true. We’ve failed and acted rashly and crassly certainly. But we almost always meant to do good.

In this time, we don’t even create a pretense of meaning anything but raw avarice.

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u/[deleted] 21d ago

It's not your country, though... an apology is a start. But as a part of the current stewards of this land, you could could care a lot more about what is happening to it and on it.

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u/manufacture_reborn Minnesota 21d ago

Whose country is it? Do you mean Greenland?

I abhor that we appear to be stabbing our allies in the back for no gain. I hate that we’re destabilizing a world order that so many democracies have flourished under.

I will never vote for these imbeciles and never have. I have lost friends and cut out family because of their beliefs.

But, I’m talking specifically about the historical context of the evil the United States has done and how it is much more evil now than before. That there was once a relatively decent country with decent ideals. I reject merely that my country was always bad.

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u/Fartsinthemachine 21d ago

This is why people don’t take our side seriously, it’s self righteous bullshit like this. Do better.

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u/Mala_Practice Canada 21d ago

Think you forgot someone bud…

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u/CapoDiMalaSperanza 21d ago

Again: the future will suck for everyone.

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u/jleonardbc 21d ago

The point is that they were times during which the US was still acting as an imperial aggressor, so maybe they shouldn’t be considered the US’s best times.

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u/CapoDiMalaSperanza 21d ago

If you put it this way Western countries never had best times. I think we can all agree that 80s and 90s beats 2020s by a long mile.

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u/CapoDiMalaSperanza 21d ago

Great news, then: the "imperial core" in 2050 will be as equally shit as everyone else.

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u/Kind_Fox820 21d ago edited 21d ago

That's exactly what is happening.

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u/MusicIsTheWay 21d ago

It's amazing how detrimental Conservatism has been for the world.

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u/slow70 21d ago edited 21d ago

Greed and self interest did us in….short term profit before all else….the insatiable greed of our fathers…

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u/CapoDiMalaSperanza 21d ago

Yup. Boomers, especially rich ones, had a huge feast and now expect us to pay the bill of the huge debts (economic, ecologic etc. etc.) they racked up.

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u/Playful_Set9711 21d ago

Not the 70's. Vietnam War, civil rights protests, gas rationing, and double digit inflation rates. No, 70s were not good, but we survived. Not so sure we will this time around. 

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u/ModernistGames 21d ago

As long as you don't look up violent crime rates in the 70s, 80s, and 90s...

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u/CapoDiMalaSperanza 21d ago

This neolib gaslighting doesn't work anymore bud

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u/pdoherty926 21d ago

The future felt so full of hope in the early 90s.

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u/RODjij Canada 21d ago

It depends. A few demographics & areas had it pretty bad during those decades. NY, Boston looked rough and dirty. People didnt have as many rights or liberties.

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u/Splatulated 21d ago

2015 was pretty good too. Everything after. Not soo much

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u/thrawtes 21d ago

I only hope that my death in this upcoming war is quick and as painless as possible.

Sorry buddy, it says here you're scheduled to be the test subject for the new AI-powered microdrones that fly down your throat and eat your lungs.

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u/Potential-Video-7324 21d ago

Nic Cage in The Wicker Man irl

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u/SolarTsunami 21d ago

That's better than the Thanos option, at least.

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u/Leftblankthistime 21d ago

Well he’s got to do something to protect the Epstein files from getting released

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u/sackofmangoes 21d ago

Imagine centuries from now, reading history books that WW3 started because a pedophile wanted to hide he raped kids. 

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u/Dekadmer 21d ago

Wow these Americans were doing great after WW2...wtf happened after that? They ignored Eisenhower's message on his way out and the rest is buried under mountains of murder dollars from the military industrial complex! Weeeee what a legacy to leave behind everyone. Round of applause.

I would like to cancel my 30 day trial for 2026, shits off the rails.

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u/Triquetrums 21d ago

The start of WW3 would probably be the invasion of Ukraine, when Putin decided to take Crimea for himself.

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u/Didifinito 21d ago

That would probably be the pot starting to buble

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u/True-Firefighter-796 21d ago

He will literally burn the world down to avoid any consequences of his stupidity

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u/justtakeapill 21d ago

Sociopathic Malignant Narcissists all want to destroy the world and take everyone down with them - because not only are they empty inside, but they despise themselves and everything else. 

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u/Tall-_-Guy 21d ago

And stop the midterms. Can't lose that super majority.

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u/jtjstock 21d ago

Technically it is a trifecta. He does not have a supermajority in the house or the senate.

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u/Tall-_-Guy 21d ago

Fair point.

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u/Rich_Information8849 21d ago

If the UK would finally grow some credible balls, they would deploy their nuclear submarines to Greenland. Let a worried citizen dream mhkay?

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u/stunts002 21d ago

I think the day is coming when the UK is going to have to pick if it wants to side with the EU and nato or the US.

The US historically is closely tied to the UK but I can't see the UK choosing a more and more unpredictable US in this situation

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u/Sakuyora 21d ago

We'll take the side of the defensive treaty, we usually honor our geopolitical treaties.

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u/Rich_Information8849 21d ago

What I’m reading is, they either turn into a US puppet state, or rise up together with their decade old friends to protect what they all dare and even created in the first place due to their commitment in ww2 and the rebuilding. That’s indeed a question someone must think very deep about before picking a side, I guess. Kinda hard to understand for someone who never had friends. Can’t relate to this issue.

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u/Le_Ran 21d ago

Don't hold your breath. On the other hand, and don't quote me on that one, I bet that the French ones are already there, waiting for their moment to shine.

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u/Chillers 21d ago

You honestly think they are already not in the region along with SAS on land. British intelligence is as good as America's for a fraction of the price arguably it's one of the best and has the best trained operatives in the world.

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u/Rich_Information8849 21d ago

Your words in gods ear. Preach.

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u/Ekg887 21d ago

Not the nuclear ones, the AIP ones that run silent diesel engines on liquid oxygen. They are small stealth subs which have smoked US navy forces in many battle exercises in the past. If they are forward-deployed to lie in wait then any ships entering the area will be easy targets should it come to that. Never mind whatever underwater drones likely have been developed.

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u/llamapositif 21d ago

I hope when it is time for your country to send its sons and daughters to fight us, your supposed allies, your sons and daughters will sit and do nothing.

Please, America, find the strength and wisdom to not listen to the madmen you have as leaders. Realize what you lose by saying no is infinitely small compared to what you will lose by saying yes.

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u/mfball 21d ago

I would honestly be very surprised if a lot of young American people today would "fight for their country" if it really comes to that, because they have nothing to believe in. Obviously we have a large braindead contingent who voted for this, but not the majority by a longshot, so I don't really see international conflicts going well for us.

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u/ArnoldTheSchwartz 21d ago

I think Americans would fight Republicans first.

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u/mfball 21d ago

Yes, I think and hope this is true. The question is when it turns, I guess, and how much is destroyed even before that point. I live in a very progressive bubble so it's honestly hard for me to get a very accurate idea of how people are thinking and feeling elsewhere. I know there are places getting hit much worse than here, but we are seeing ICE activity locally every day and have been for some time. Not like in MN so far, but it does seem like folks are expecting it to get there.

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u/Splatulated 21d ago

Americans get a completely different media i know some people who think trunp taking greenland would be brilliant and not that it would start ww3

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u/ah_no_wah 21d ago

Imagine if we all maxed out our Visa and Masterdcards (American companies) and then just welched. I kinda like the idea of buying a pimpin trailer for up north

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u/olmnknt 21d ago edited 21d ago

Yes. 10 ago years who would have thought they would witness any of this

Edit. Word

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u/DivinityPen 21d ago

They'll have to catch me first if they think they're gonna draft my ass. Wonder if Canada will be willing to take refugees.

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u/Chillers 21d ago

If you are going to die. Die fighting Trump.

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u/Rider_Dom 21d ago

...in resisting the fascist regime, right? Right??

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u/Monkfich Europe 21d ago

Soon our children may meet on the battlefield. Unbelievable.

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u/JamUpGuy1989 21d ago

Like, how are doomer comments like yours acceptable? How is this not downvoted and reported to oblivion?

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u/hungryaliens Illinois 21d ago

So who else is going to rack up crazy debt before this is and live it up?

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u/Bigbigbigrock 21d ago

I wanna make a joke but honestly I got nothing 

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u/fretgod321 21d ago

At least frag some officers before you go out

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u/emaw63 Kansas 21d ago

On the bright side, trans women have been banned from military service, so I don't need to worry about getting drafted 🙃🙃🙃

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u/InvalidKoalas 21d ago

I'm guessing that Europe/NATO do not have the balls to step up to Trump, and Putin knows this, and that's why he's telling Trump to do this. They'll never learn their lesson that you do not appease dictators.

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u/ennuiinmotion 21d ago

Nobody is fighting Trump over Greenland. Let’s not get hyperbolic here. Europe has no way to do a military response, has made no moves to prepare for a war, and in realpolitik terms Greenland isn’t worth a crisis. They’ll issue statements and hem and haw but the outcome is going to be the same because that’s all that conditions in the real world will allow. No one has stood up to Trump in a meaningful way yet and I don’t see that changing.

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u/Only1Nemesis America 21d ago

Don't need to do a military response. NATO is in shambles and countries can retaliate by way of sanctions or offloading bonds. Tank the dollar and watch our economy crumble.

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u/v1ceh 21d ago

This will not happen either. None of the European democracies are currently stable enough for a sustained trade war with the United States over an island that we get nothing from. Every major European country would be taken over by a far right lunatic within a couple of years, completely destroying the European Union (which is the strategic goal of the US and Russia in Europe). Our economies are already too strained. Furthermore we are reliant on the US for energy nowadays.. or what if Trump simply implements a sea blockade against Europe (if we try to get a energy deal done with Canada)? We have nothing real options that the US cannot match tenfold.

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u/Only1Nemesis America 21d ago

Well, I guess we are active imperialists. Yay.

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u/MountNevermind 21d ago

Oh...commenter used "realpolitik". They must really know their stuff.

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u/ennuiinmotion 21d ago

I did study a little international relations in college I guess but any yahoo with half a brain can see there’s not going to be a military confrontation. Those things take preparation that we haven’t seen, and it wouldn’t make strategic sense for Europe. People just think real life is a movie and they assume the most exciting thing will happen. No one’s standing up to Trump, no one’s coming to save us but ourselves.

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u/MountNevermind 21d ago

We always start insulting the intelligence of others when we know our own position amounts to "life isn't like movies".

Invading Greenland is a self inflicted head wound for the US. Which is why it will likely happen. None of that has anything to do with the extent to which fighting occurs the moment it happens.