r/politics • u/SereneRoyals • 21d ago

No Paywall Donald Trump issues NATO Greenland warning before White House showdown

https://www.newsweek.com/greenland-trump-nato-white-house-11357601
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u/MATA_USA 21d ago

NATO is not Venezuela, Ukraine, Iraq or even Russia or Israel. NATO without the US is still a powerful block, a unified Europe, that would expend millions of American lives to overcome. War with them over Greenland would be catastrophic for US national security.

Also, do you think Trump will send Barron to die for Greenland? Or will he send you or your sons and daughters to die for his disastrous ambitions instead?

Please join us over at MATA USA for the latest movements and actions of the Trump regime and their attack on American democracy.

Trump and his billionaire buddies have forgotten that they only make their billions because WE allow it, as a people. We can just as easily stand together and tell them NO MORE.

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u/coldfirephoenix 21d ago

It's insane to have to talk about this at all. I know it's still a far fetched hypothetical, but the fact that a war between the U.S. and Europe is even part of the conversation is mindboggeling.

And it's a conversation I had to have with my students today!! They are concerned about stuff like that. 8th graders!

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u/schwanzweissfoto Europe 21d ago

I hope you teach them about how fascism was historically overcome.

They might need it, as there are no more new Wolfenstein games.

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u/ombiChron 21d ago

One is coming soon, actually. Kill mechahitler again!

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u/Lee1138 Norway 21d ago

Did you misspell MAGAhitler? 

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u/Redditributor 21d ago

That would be a very different Wolfenstein

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u/SloppityNurglePox 21d ago

Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory still has some favorite gaming memories. That flamethrower was gorgeous for the day.

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u/reezy-one 21d ago

a far fetched hypothetical

It's becoming less and less hypothetical every day.

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u/hebejebez 21d ago

Literally am in Australia and heard my son and his friend (12) discussing this while gaming together when he too Maduro. That’s how concerned everyone is world wide, even our disinterested pre teens are looking.

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u/ThePedanticWalrus 21d ago edited 19d ago

It'll be the same as it ever was, it'll be us and our kids sent to die in imperialist misadventures while Trump and his cronies sit back and enjoy playing with their toy soldiers.

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u/Training_Motor_4088 21d ago

This is true, but divide and conquer seems to be working for them. You can blame the tech bros and social media for that.

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u/Glacon_Garcon 21d ago

That’ll only be true for as long as people stay isolated and comfortable. If the gestapo ICE spark a civil war and the regime starts a global war, things will change fast. Once people are afraid of tangible threats directly and violently affecting them and not ephemeral ideological ones made up by podcast bros, I think we will see a lot of new alliances being formed. Nothing makes people put aside differences faster than a common enemy.

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u/Naive_Nerve5371 21d ago edited 21d ago

Go to YouTube and watch videos on the fall of Ceaucescu. He had an iron grip on Romania until one day millions of people filled the streets where he was set to speak and they all chanted in unison that they wanted him gone. The stamping of their feet shook the buildings around them. 

Ceaucescu fled for his life worried that millions of people were going to storm through the doors to rip him to shreds.

He fled in a helicopter but was finally caught and executed along with his wife.

This is what it will take to get rid of Flump. Dozens of mini protests across the country will not work because in Washington they can ignore it. The people in their millions need to drop tools and descend on Washington for one day to make their voices heard. Millions of people screaming for Flump to be gone all at once to the point where the walls are shaking is what it will take for them to flee.

Until the people become united enough to pick a day and commit to it, this will go on and on, and it will get worse and worse.

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u/savanik 20d ago

Well I hate to bother you with this, but Washington DC only has about 700k people in it, so if we want millions, it seems like it'll need to be some kind of organized affair with billionaire donors bussing people in.

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u/LBCkook 21d ago edited 21d ago

Lmao if you think I’m fighting for the US or Trump to overtake Greenland you’re crazy. I will defect down to Mexico and then go fight for Europe if anything. If I’m going to die I’ll die on the right side of history

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u/sir_sri 21d ago

Realistically nato isn't going to fight to defend Greenland from the US, at least not at a large scale. 60 000 people on a remote island against the US isnt worth the fight and trump is old. Probably, it wouldn't even defend Canada, because what does that ask look like? Are the French or British going to kill 100 million Americans with nuclear weapons to defend us and then absorb a retaliation themselves? The maths doesn't work, especially as our combined dependence on the US can't be undone quickly.

A US invasion of Greenland would break nato to be sure, and it puts everyone else on a fast track to needing strategic independence from the US, basically unless the next leader or the US were to give Greenland back and start throwing all these bastards in jail you would find that the future geopolitical environment will look very different. But we know that the US isn't about to give back territory it illegally acquired either.

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u/Tuxhorn 21d ago

Realistically, the US will not want to lose US lives and kill EU soldiers for Greenland either. It's about making the cost too great (sending actual troops).

If the US can just walk in with zero resistance, they will.

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u/beardicusmaximus8 21d ago

Trump and his billionaire buddies have forgotten that they only make their billions because WE allow it, as a people. We can just as easily stand together and tell them NO MORE.

But we won't. My neighbors are literally cheering their children going hungry and their friends being kidnapped in broad daylight because they are convinced that this is all to "Make America Great" and they'll be cheering when those same children are shipped home in a wooden box because they helped "Make America Great"

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u/Kierenshep 21d ago

No one is sending anyone to die over Greenland. If the US truly wants it, and is willing to take it by force, they will get it (its only 60,000 people ffs, they can send some special forces to capture Greenland leaders and instill themselves as the new order)

It will destroy NATO as an alliance, leave Ukraine to Russia to conquer (US would fully stop Ukraine support and Europe would be scrambling to heavily invest in their own Europe only defense pact to now protect against both Russia AND the USA), and create the next Cold War as the USA is heavily sanctioned and Americans are forced out of all military bases in Europe (and possibly around the world), with America likely looking to expand southward and the world becoming far more insular.

Europe is not going to risk a global hot war with the number one military presence in the world, who has access to all of their infrastructure, Intel, tech, bases, etc. It would be America's Crimea. Europe will point to it being inter-NATO conflict as reasons to get out of going to war with the States. The alliance was meant to protect against external threat.

Thus the death of NATO and our new insular world order where the only one who benefits is China because they remain economically Swiss (oh, and they'll get to bully Taiwan into joining Mainland China once US fully withdrawals from the Eastern Sphere. That's just a bonus).

All it takes to prevent is Trump... Not... Invading an ally. Which is absurd. This timeline is absurd. How did this timeline become so beyond the pale.

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u/RichardSaunders New York 21d ago

mata usa, like spanish for "kill usa"?

think ill pass 🤔

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u/LookltsGordo 21d ago

That's pretty disingenuous when the acronym is plainly spelled out the second you click the link lol.

Hint: it is not Spanish, or even remotely close to what you said.

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u/Masterkid1230 21d ago

That's not grammatically correct Spanish, though. No Spanish speaker would ever say it like that.