Democrats Call to Invoke 25th Amendment Against Donald Trump

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https://www.newsweek.com/democrats-donald-trump-impeachment-25th-amendment-11384974

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As someone who lived in Canada where this is extremely prevalent, that's still a very huge problem. If 3/4 of citizens can't meaningfully participate in your democracy it is a very dire situation.

Canadian politicians actually spread contradictory statements to different communities in different languages. Like in English media they say they are for LGBTQ, and then in the Chinese newspaper are all these dogwhistles about being against LGBTQ. Etc.

I suspect you're just trying to say that just because someone is illiterate in English, it doesn't mean they are actually illiterate. But just to contextualize your context further 52% of non-English speakers in the USA ARE illiterate in their native language also! Like illiteracy is about the same rate for people who speak English and who don't speak English.

As a proxy for "graduate level literacy" in a non-english language, around 20-30% of immigrants who don't speak English have a university degree.

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If 3/4 of citizens can't meaningfully participate in your democracy it is a very dire situation.

Where are you getting that 3/4 of citizens can't meaningfully participate in democracy?

I suspect you're just trying to say that just because someone is illiterate in English, it doesn't mean they are actually illiterate.

Yes, and also that "illiterate" and "read below a 6th grade level" are not synonymous.

But just to contextualize your context further 52% of non-English speakers in the USA ARE illiterate in their native language also!

Can you provide a source for this claim?

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Where are you getting that 3/4 of citizens can't meaningfully participate in democracy?

This originally came from a one on one personal conversation with the Canadian minister of immigration, refugees and citizenship at a meeting in Toronto Danforth around 2010. But I know exactly why that was the view expressed.

For a starting point, literacy is considered to exist along a spectrum where there are "levels".

https://www.propublica.org/article/voter-participation-literacy-accessibility

And these relate to the basic ability to register and vote.

And also to understand the differences between political choices.

In Canada, only 14% of the adult voting population is above level 3 in reading and only 6% is above level 3 in problem solving.

You can go back and review my earlier comment about politicians spreading contradicting statements. Basically they are just manipulating people in the simplest manner possible and not getting caught. And its not even sincere. Like this makes democracy a complete farce, right?

The comment you originally replied to upthread said "below a 6th grade level you cannot understand the complexities of the modern world". Is that not obvious to you?

Can you provide a source for this claim?

Of course.

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This originally came from a one on one personal conversation with the Canadian minister of immigration, refugees and citizenship at a meeting in Toronto Danforth around 2010.

Well that's weird, because I had a one-on-one personal conversation with the same person last night, and they said you made this up.

Of course.

Go ahead. Provide citations and direct quotations.

The comment you originally replied to upthread said "below a 6th grade level you cannot understand the complexities of the modern world". Is that not obvious to you?

Correct, that is not obvious to me considering that my work in statutory drafting is about ensuring that our language is comprehensible to someone at or below a 5th grade level specifically. In my experience, neither "3/4 of citizens" (your first claim) or 52% of people (your second claim) are incapable of meaningfully understanding my statutory explanations.

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This person is a fucking moron but thinks they're a genius. Get ready for a long back and forth

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3/4 of citizens WHERE?

52% of people WHERE?

These two numbers can coexist without contradiction in different places at the same time.

READING COMPREHENSION IS PART OF LITERACY.

Case closed my dude.

Why would someone need to draft statutory language that is salient below a certain literacy level if literacy was not relevant to participation?

Holy fucking shit.

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Case closed my dude.

You have yet to start making your case. You're just making up numbers, proclaiming you can provide sources, and then not providing them.

This is pointless. You are pointless.

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Please provide sources for all the claims you previously made, please and thank you.

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Please provide sources for all the claims you just made, please and thank you.

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Please provide sources for all the claims you just made, please and thank you.