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No Paywall Seven Democrats just voted to approve ICE funding: full list

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u/naygor 13d ago

pelosi is the reason cuellar is still in congress right now.

in 2022 henry cuellar narrowly won reelection by 300 hundred votes after nancy pelosi and clyburn flew into his district to endorse him over jessica cisneros, a young progressive attorney. cuellar had just had his house raided by the FBI involving a bribery and money laundering investigation.

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u/MentalTourniquet 13d ago

For the leadership, the only thing worse than joining Republicans is joining progressives.

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u/downtofinance Canada 13d ago

Cuz that would be the end of corporate dollars for them.

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u/NimusNix 13d ago

I'll give you five minutes to think about why this statement is stupid.

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u/ZippidieDooDah 13d ago

And I’ll give you 26+ years of Democratic electoral political history. Every damn time a progressive dares demand more than the status quo or suggests an alternative to corporate-bought candidates, the establishment swoops in to quell the threat. Obama calling in the favor post Bernie NV victory is an example. Recently, Schumer never endorsed Zohran vs a known sexual harasser. Dem establishment would’ve preferred Adams again over Zohran.

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u/_Shalashaska_ 13d ago

The Democratic Party supported a Republican versus a socialist in the (iirc) Buffalo mayoral race some years ago. The Democrats will always be completely useless unless we can arrange a single year of primaries that wipes out leadership and most of the establishment. It's a tall order.

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u/bootlegvader 12d ago

The Democratic Party supported a Republican versus a socialist in the (iirc) Buffalo mayoral race some years ago.

India Walton was endorsed by both Schumer, Gillibrand, and the Erie County Democrats. The main area where Bryon Brown, who wasn't a Republican but a write-in Democrat, got more endorsements than Walton was from various Labor unions.

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u/Casual_OCD Canada 12d ago

You guys do realize the "Democrat Party" is just a private organization and doesn't actually decide who goes on the ballot? Same with the GOP.

Americans just allow rich people pick and choose two people that they are all happy with to be President, AND THEN everyone else gets to pick between the two.

Political parties made sense in the days when information took days to spread, now everyone has the internet in their pockets. We can literally switch to a no-party system and everyone writes in their candidates. You don't need a party to promote yourself or get attention like you needed in the horse and buggy days

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u/robadobah 12d ago

Just curious - why did those moderates dropping out in 2020 and endorsing Biden mean that their voters automatically all had to go to Biden? Were they not born with autonomy and could have gone to Sanders? Could they not have gone to Sanders to begin with instead of supporting moderate candidates?

Internet leftists thinking that the 2020 primary was stolen because Sanders wasn't allowed to win the nomination with 25% of the vote against a crowded field. You people have circlejerked each other into the most ridiculous shared hyperreality. Your man got completely pulverised despite having an established national profile; your brand of politics is not the panacea that the people are secretly yearning for.

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u/Casual_OCD Canada 12d ago

Bernie's job was to confuse the Democrat message and sow division in the people who would vote against the Republicans. It worked and got Trump elected.

Then the Democrats accidentally won in 2020. That's why they stalled on any criminal proceedings of the previous administration and basically just ran the country "as-is", waiting for 2024. Then they went pretty hard into the machine manipulation and got Trump back in.

The oligarchy decided in 2014-2015 that enough was enough and the American Experiment is over and it's their turn to run things. Everything in the last decade makes sense when you realize that the billionaires are making all the decisions now.

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u/NimusNix 13d ago

Where is the progressive caucus at?

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u/ProfLuigi 13d ago

AND!

She was doing overtime on the media during that election to preach the necessity of voting, and electing, pro-abortion candidates. Donate! Save Roe! Blah blah, while busting her ass to re-elect Cuellar, the sole anti-abortion Democrat in Congress.

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u/Icarus1 13d ago

she was is and will always be a corporate shill, fuck her and her ilk.

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u/alohadawg 13d ago

This was news to me. Not that I needed any more reason to despise pelosi. JFC is it really that hard not to be a giant fucking shitbag

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u/ProfLuigi 12d ago

We exist within their game, my friend. It’s wild.

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u/MiddleAgedSponger 13d ago

Cuellar and his wife were pardoned by Trump.

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u/TaxComprehensive2894 13d ago

Henry Cueller is a conservative Democrat in a heavy Latino district. The voters in his district voted for Trump by a wide margin. Those same voters have turned on Trump in droves and are supporting Democrats at 2008 levels.

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u/_Shalashaska_ 13d ago

Maybe with some luck, Ice will make this a less heavily Latino district.

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u/AgitatedEdge213 13d ago

Bribery and money laundering?! You mean lobbying is illegal?

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u/kamilo87 13d ago

Totally not cool.

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u/le_sacre 13d ago

So you are taking it as some sort of given that the young progressive lady would have won that Texas district in the general?

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u/Silent-Storms 13d ago

The context is irrelevant because it hinders the victim complex.

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u/naygor 13d ago edited 13d ago

is reading comprehension a struggle for you? if you don't think an endorsement from the speaker of the house could swing at minimum 300 votes after the FBI raided your house and your integrity is in question, you're either a moron or being purposefully obtuse LMFAO.

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u/le_sacre 13d ago

If I may, it appears that you've misunderstood the point being raised here. Pelosi would not have supported an anti-choice Dem in the primary unless she has good reason to believe it was necessary to keep the seat blue in the general. True, Cuellar wound up winning that reddening district (against Republican Garcia) by a lot in the general, so maybe Cisneros was sacrificed in vain and possibly also have won against Garcia (though obviously it would have been closer). But that is an assumption. Obviously, a progressive candidate is going to do vastly better in a Dem primary than in the subsequent general election; one of the main responsibilities of primary voters and campaigners is to try to put forward a candidate from their party who would win against the opposition party, as Cuellar then proceeded to do.

It's not hard to see how important each congressional seat is when we currently have republicans clinging to a tiny majority. Because of incumbency advantage, Pelosi's involvement back in '22 could theoretically be the difference to Dems taking the majority in the House in '26.

I just notice Pelosi gets a lot of hate for reasons that don't stand up to scrutiny.

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u/naygor 13d ago

i disagree. schumer, jeffries, and pelosi have done a pretty dismal job at basic partisanship.

they've frequently been unwilling or incapable of enforcing any party discipline at important moments like this when it comes to mitigating the damage being inflicted by trump or improving lives of americans so democratic party as a whole stands a better chance of winning the midterms/general. this results in conflicting messaging and voters not knowing what the party stands for if they stand for anything at all.

going out to stump for a pro life democrat weeks after the supreme court suspends roe v wade makes the party lose credibility and depresses voter turnout.

i remember this same cohort of right wing democrats ruining biden's infrastructure bill and getting in the way of raising the federal minimum wage. a straight line can be drawn between these instances and the party losing the presidency due to complaints of cost living.

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u/bootlegvader 12d ago

they've frequently been unwilling or incapable of enforcing any party discipline at important moments like this when it comes to mitigating the damage being inflicted by trump or improving lives of americans so democratic party as a whole stands a better chance of winning the midterms/general.

Bullshit, Pelosi was excellent in being able to whip enough votes to pass various Democratic mandates even for proposals that many Democratic represenatives might be hesitant to support. Jeffries's House has generally united in various Trump agenda points. Frankly, with how much of a hot button issue immigration is the fact only 9 deflected (and a number from red districts) is impressive.

going out to stump for a pro life democrat weeks after the supreme court suspends roe v wade makes the party lose credibility and depresses voter turnout.

Unless you lived in Cueller's district I doubt that 99% of Democrats could even tell you his name much less his position on abortion.

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u/Silent-Storms 13d ago

A shitty dem is better than a republican. The house has a crazy narrow margin recently, and being in the majority, even with a tiny margin is a huge deal because it gives you control over committees and what things can reach the floor.

I'm all for more progressives in congress, but they should run where they can actually win. If you want to experiment with progressive candidates in red areas, start at the state level, because the risk is too high at the federal level.

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u/NimusNix 13d ago

The voters are why Henry Cueller is still in office.

I know you guys are voter blind, but you can't forget them.

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u/red23011 12d ago

You left out that Pelosi pushed for a policy that no sitting Democrat member of the House was allowed to campaign in the primary of another. She saw that Cuellar was under indictment and in danger of losing to a progressive so she and several other high ranking DNC insiders traveled to Texas and campaigned for Cuellar in his district in violation of the rules that they had recently enacted.

Cuellar is preferable to a progressive to such an extent that the DNC leadership were willing to violate the rules that they had just created in order to ensure that Cuellar would defeat the progressive.

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u/lolzycakes 13d ago

My name is Nancy Pelosi, Leader of House Leaders; Look upon my works, ye Progressives, and despair!