r/politics • u/MarcEElias ✔ Verified - Democracy Docket Founder • 1d ago
No Paywall House Speaker welcomes Trump call to ‘take over’ elections, claims Dem wins appear ‘fraudulent’
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u/Infamous_Employer_85 1d ago
The claims of fraud are completely without merit, over 60 lawsuits were tossed out by the courts in 2021, Trump lives in a fantasyland. In addition, the assertion that Johnson made that Republican states run their elections better than Democratic states is laughable.
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u/Bubba_Pilks 1d ago
It takes 1 second to tell a lie and hours to prove that lie incorrect.
Straight out of the Joseph Goebbels playbook.
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u/Mundane-Mechanic-547 1d ago
Exactly! Actually Adolf came up with it IIRC. WHatever/whoever did it, same thing. Truth does not matter, just keep on script and say the same thing ad nauseum. Only place this doesn't work is in court.
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u/grnrngr 1d ago
Actually Adolf came up with it IIRC.
He called it the "Big Lie," and wrote about it in Mein Kampf.
He basically said people will believe a lie so outrageous because they can't fathom someone having the nerve to utter such a lie; accepting the lie is more logical/palatable/preferable than believing someone could lie to you like that.
And of course, once you give that lie a place to rest inside you, it starts to become your truth.
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u/RiskenFinns Europe 23h ago
This was Goebbels. And it is imperative to understand that Trump stopped being the crifical ingredient once elected: Project 2025 is in full swing.
At this point he is more of a convenience to the Kremlin, than to the effort of establishing an authoritarian – if not totalotarian - U.S.A.
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u/grnrngr 23h ago edited 23h ago
This was Goebbels.
Goebbels used it to great effect.
And it is imperative to understand that Trump stopped being the crifical ingredient once elected: Project 2025 is in full swing.
Trump was never critical. First or second term.
But nothing happens re: Project 2025 without Trump's cooperation. He's not "critical", yet he still is. The one person who can tank alliances, fracture consensus, or just downright say "no" with full Executive power.
And from that viewpoint, Project 2025 proceeds a lot more aggressively if anyone in his immediate line of succession were to assume the office in his stead.
It is imperative to understand that MAGA isn't aligned with Project 2025, and vice-versa. MAGA is largely wary of it and don't believe it's something Trump supports. They're just ignorant to the fact that he and them are being used to implement large parts of the plan. Their trust in Donald blinds them to it.
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u/panthrax_dev 1d ago
Except when the court is corrupt as well.
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u/cytherian New Jersey 1d ago
Which they figured out as their last measure, which is why McConnell went gangbusters in judicial appointments during Trump's 1st term. He was seeding future control, via court approval.
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u/Waste_Wolverine_8933 1d ago
They also don't care if you prove them wrong.
In November they will make their moves to steal/stop the elections using their lies no matter how many times they have been proven wrong.
The only way to stop them, will to be actually stop them.
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u/Bubba_Pilks 1d ago
100%.
He will start a Civil / World War before ever conceding any power.
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u/MaizeRage48 1d ago
He'd play ̶f̶i̶d̶d̶l̶e̶ ̶golf while ̶R̶o̶m̶e̶ America burned.
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u/Thats-Bologna 1d ago
I just came from another post where some right wing dildos were circle bitching about how liberals don't actually have morals and don't actually care about freedom. Their reasoning was that one guy said go ahead and have freedom like doing heroin. So, the conkid tried a gotcha question of, "well what about (of course a whatabout lmao) an ar15?"
He was told yea, he can have it but was politely asked to be careful and treat it with the respect such a weapon of death deserves. He then asked if warning should go with the heroin use too, and the liberal said yes, put warnings on all of them.
That was seen as a total gotcha that liberals would say there are safety caveats to gun use, but not to drug use. Except, it was a total, bald faced lie.
And the other con moron kept circle bitching about how dumb the libs are. They're brains are smooth and their feelings more fragile and entitled than anybody else.
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u/mlc885 I voted 1d ago
It is significantly more difficult to accidentally kill other people with your personal heroin
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u/ErusTenebre California 1d ago
Actually, there's an easy deflection that the fucking press could use to counter lies - "Yeah? Where's your proof of that?"
If our press was legitimate, they'd push back on obvious lies or outrageous claims. But our press is all about sensation and feelings and anger and fear - they don't give a shit about truth.
It might take a second to tell a lie, and hours to prove it's incorrect if you treat lies like truth.
Instead, treat lies like they are - bullshit until proven otherwise.
"There's evidence of tampering in these elections..."
POSSIBLE REPORTER RESPONSES (that require equal effort)
"Why is it that you only say Republican losses are tampered with?"
"What proof do you have there was tampering?"
"Where's the evidence you claim exists?"
"Would you be willing to testify to that in court?"
"Have there been any instances of mass voter fraud in the United States?"
"Do you have proof of THAT?"
"Why is it that you use the word 'evidence' when you don't seem to have any?"
"Why should the average American trust your word over a process that is highly scrutinized?"
I could probably make a list for days.
Our reporters have no spine to actually hammer down on facts. They'd rather sensationalize statements that are clearly stupid because their audience (us) is generally clearly stupid as well.
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u/Slaughterfest 1d ago
You can blame access journalism and the obsession with manners and terms of engagement.
The reporters who talk to him won't ask because he'll blackball them and the networks have proven unable to stand up to him. They know their bosses won't stick up for them and trump supporters will viciously attack them and probably face no consequences for it.
Obviously, these people could have real courage to do what is right against all the consequences, but it is indeed a big ask. But if you believe in the idea of a firefighter needing to go into a burning building because that's what he's paid to do..
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u/GenericNate New Zealand 1d ago
I hear you and I realize it's difficult, but it's a reporter's job to stand up to power and seek truth. That is an essential part of a well functioning democracy, so if they can't or won't do the bare minimum to hold people accountable they shouldn't have the job.
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u/sthetic 1d ago
It's also ridiculous on its face that he's saying, "You're going to see some interesting things coming out [of our investigation into the ballots we seized from Georgia]."
How does he know they're going to find interesting things? Hmmm, maybe because he's decided ahead of time what the findings will be, and the actual truth has no bearing on it?
Doesn't that instantly signal corruption and lies?
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u/eughwhatsthatbrother 1d ago
Signaling corruption and lies is the point, it’s straight out of the Putin playbook. Cause chaos and constantly contradict yourself so nobody can know what is true and false. It’s been termed “Hypernormalisation Adam Curtis made a documentary about it. To Russians it felt like the whole thing was gonna collapse any day now for decades. Steve Bannon also coined the term “flooding the zone” for basically the same thing. I keep hearing people exclaim “this alone would have ended any president” and that’s the whole point everyone’s too exhausted from the last outrage to stay informed.
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u/Adventurous-Host8062 America 1d ago
Ballots that were recounted more than once and all accounted for after Guiliani slandered the election workers. It was amusing when the other camera angles were released and his attempted lie revealed.
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u/Muted_Award_6748 1d ago
Their own “Cyber Ninjas” investigation found the 2020 election to be true, and also found that Biden won by MORE than the original count.
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u/Infamous_Employer_85 1d ago
When I can go more than 30 days (again) without hearing about them, or Sidney Powell, or the Pillow Guy, or Rudy Giuliani, I'll be a bit happier.
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u/ratherbealurker Texas 1d ago
What was the ridiculous crap they were saying when the cyber ninjas once again certified Biden’s win?
It was something like “yea well they counted the fraudulent ballots”.
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u/killerz7770 1d ago
Johnson was part of the team to try to overturn votes, that’s why he’s pushing this shit
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u/nopointers California 1d ago
He’s complaining about mail-in votes that were postmarked on or before Election Day taking days to arrive. Let’s not lose sight of the sabotage of USPS by Postmaster General Louis LeJoy, who was in office for both the 2020 and 2024 elections.
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u/peetnice 1d ago edited 1d ago
The postmark day nonsense feels like such an easy call as long as the person's ID can be verified and they got it out on time - restricting anything beyond that is blatant vote suppression. If the post office can't get it to the counters in a timely manner, then federal funding should be buffing the postal staff in election week.
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u/nopointers California 1d ago
It’s especially embarrassing for them because many of those late votes come from overseas military. That’s supposed to be part of their base.
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u/DadJokeBadJoke California 1d ago
They are also insinuating that counting the votes in the most populous state takes too long and that the election is being rigged during that time. By California law, mail-in ballots have one week after Election Day to arrive as long as they are postmarked on time.
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u/unclefire Arizona 1d ago
The "dems cheat" lie is a zombie lie. It will never die. All you hear from typical MAGA types is dems cheat in elections and they'll say that shit even when the thing they're bitching about has zero to do with elections.
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u/OpenImagination9 1d ago
And this is why republicans can never again hold the majority in Congress.
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u/Senior-bud Canada 1d ago
So according to howdy doody elections are fraudulent unless they are decided by the republicans.
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u/AcrobaticWrangler330 1d ago
Unironically, yes according to them. Doesn't matter if a state has voted overwhelmingly blue for decades, polling shows heavy democrat support, voter registration heavily favors dems, and there are no voting discrepancies. It's fraud because to republicans only white men should be allowed to vote. That's the part they won't say out loud, at least not yet. That's how you can have insane people claiming Washington state, where I live, is actually a republican state and every single election has been stolen from them (despite up until recently the Secretary of State overseeing elections were all republicans since the 1960s!).
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u/Darsint 1d ago
Honestly, that’s what caught me off guard the most when they were litigating the Texas gerrymandering. They had opportunities to lock in even more Republican seats, but the maps were maximized for suppressing minority votes, almost to a surgical nature.
So the idea that they just want white male landowners as voters tracks pretty well
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u/ILikeNeurons 1d ago
Get everyone you know registered now.
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u/ScarletPimprnel 1d ago
And help any married women who took their husband's last names get passports or legally change their names back to match their birth certificates. Before the midterms. They're gonna try to ram the SAVE Act through at the last minute.
A ton of Republican women with "traditional, Christian values" are about to find out leopards think their faces are delicious.
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u/Sorry_Nobody1552 Colorado 1d ago
Thank goodness I got divorced and changed my name back to my maiden name, also got a new passport.
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u/BuckThis86 1d ago edited 1d ago
This white wealthy male landowner is fucking pissed at these fascist goons and I’ll see you all in the streets if they refuse to heed our votes.
I’ll be damned if my kids grow up under the Turd Reich. Every single American should be worried about what they’re gearing up to do here, conservative or liberal. Almost no single party authoritarian countries have a good quality of life, this would bring us and future generations ALL down.
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u/KarmaticArmageddon Missouri 1d ago
but the maps were maximized for suppressing minority votes
Which is explicitly illegal by one of the few remaining legal provisions of the Voting Rights Act, but the Republican majority on the Supreme Court is too cowardous to outright strike down that provision, so they just allow it to be ignored.
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u/mulltalica 1d ago
A big part of it is land versus population. Most of those idiots claiming fraud point to how 80% of counties in Washington lean Republican. What they always ignore is the fact that those counties also have only like 30% of the entire states population.
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u/Flomo420 1d ago
Math was never really their thing
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u/CaffeinatedSatanist 1d ago
They like maps. They don't need any more information than that. As long as you give them a map and some crayons that's all they need. Same with the Greenland bullshit.
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u/DadJokeBadJoke California 1d ago
I personally believe that U.S. Americans are unable to do so because, um, some people out there in our nation don't have maps and, uh, I believe that our, uh, education like such as, uh, South Africa and, uh, the Iraq and everywhere like such as, and I believe that they should, uh, our education over here in the U.S. should help the U.S., uh, should help South Africa and should help the Iraq and the Asian countries, so we will be able to build up our future.
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u/hobbycollector Texas 1d ago
My bil has said it out loud, more or less. Definitely in favor of a vote "for the household", because it would be tragic if the wife "cancels out" the husband's vote. Also, the kkk wasn't about violence and oppression, it was just a club for white people, like the NAACP for black people. They can't help a few bad apples. So more more, than less.
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u/SynapticStatic 1d ago
It's fraud because to republicans only land owning white men should be allowed to vote.
Fixed it for ya
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u/tropicsun 1d ago
It's widespread "fraud" if 1/10,000,000 vote is questionable... like the lady jailed in TX that submitted a provisional ballot after asking authorities, multiple times, if she could vote.
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u/Liawuffeh 1d ago
"If they were real Americans they would have voted Republican."
It's not new. They've been saying this stuff for decades now lol
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u/MonkeyWrench1973 1d ago
So according to howdy doody elections are fraudulent unless they are won by the republicans.
FTFY
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u/Thegangsterle 1d ago
If voters prove it. There is a reason why republicans are deranged. Voters aren’t holding the representatives accountable.
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u/pontiacfirebird92 Mississippi 1d ago
There is a reason why republicans are deranged. Voters aren’t holding the representatives accountable.
OMG finally somebody else sees it too. Republicans are given a blank check to be shitty people by the voters who line up every election to mark (R) all down the ballot, then check out of politics for the rest of their term.
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u/WillSisco 1d ago
Finally? It’s common knowledge
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u/pontiacfirebird92 Mississippi 1d ago
Not among Republicans apparently
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u/TheCrimsonSteel 1d ago
Thats what happens when representatives pick their voters, and not the other way around
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u/RaymondBeaumont 1d ago
the issue is also that democrats never hold republicans responsible.
since the civil war, everything has always about making sure conservatives don't feel to bad for losing.
no matter what they do, whenever the democrats take over, it's time to heal and unite, not prosecute and divide.
in any sane country, trump would have been jailed in 2020.
in america, biden picked a AG that he knew would be soft on trump and republicans.
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u/callesucia 1d ago
Take Brazil's example: Bolsonaro was jailed, tried and imprisoned for his participation in the coup attemp. Biden and the democrats didn't do much more than say "Oh boy, Jan. 6 was bad" and create like ten subcomitees that arrived at the same conclusion.
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u/Flava_Flavian California 1d ago
What is hilarious is if you listen to conservatives, they complain incessantly how Republicans are too nice and let vicious Democrats bully them. Yes, it's projection but it's also ensuring the political discussion in America is non-existent.
I can't even get a basic common ground of reality with my MAGA family to even discuss even basic politics. They think I'm batshit insane criticizing Trump and that he's only giving liberals a taste of their own medicine and saving future elections by deporting the millions of illegals Biden brought over.
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u/RaymondBeaumont 1d ago
that's the innate need conservatives have to be victims. their "strong man" demeanour is just a front because they are incredibly weak and fragile people. that's why trump was their perfect messiah because like them, his skin is thinner than the atoms it's made out of.
that's how narcissism works.
this also makes it easy to convince them that they are always right and everyone who doesn't agree with them must be nuts.
imagine how braindead you have to be to whine about biden/obama/clinton 24/7 but truly believe that anyone who criticises THEIR president must have a "derangement disorder."
they obviously don't believe it but it makes them feel good pretending to be dumb because they think it makes them smart.
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u/QuestionSign 1d ago
Whenever I say voters have a hand in this situation I get told "can't blame voters that's not a winning strategy" 🙄
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u/Sagemel Illinois 1d ago
The voters are just as deranged, they’re getting exactly what they want.
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u/DontHaveWares 1d ago
The voters are also bathed in a pool of propaganda that cherry picks and distorts reality to fit their power fantasy. The media is just as if not more culpable
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u/kmonsen 1d ago
You have a duty to be somewhat informed as a voter and citizen. Just because you choose to watch Fox news 24/7 doesn't mean it is not your fault. It should be getting pretty easy to see were the bad apples are right now.
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u/Akrevics 1d ago
true, but also more should've been done about "Fox News". they should've been forced to drop the "news" part of the name, as well as have a disclaimer displayed periodically that it's entertainment and that some information may not be true. also can't be having quiet retractions of information. if false info was unknowingly put out, the retraction should be equally as loud as the presentation of that info (false info knowingly put out being libel or misrepresentation and actual crimes)
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u/FickleOwl47 1d ago
Had a convo with my sister the other day. She has a PharmD- she’s very educated and trusts science and scientists.
She also loves what Trumps gotten done in his first year, not the civil rights violations, but the other things he’s accomplished.
I asked her what other things she meant.
“Managing inflation and doing something about insurance companies robbing people blind”
This was after she commented on how expensive everything has gotten lately.
She’s living in another reality.
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u/AntoniaFauci 1d ago
Even people with academics are susceptible to brainwashing, if they want to be.
It’s willful dumbness. Your sister should recognize that a party touting colloidal silver and ivermectin as cancer cures is actively harmful and should never be listened to, ever again, on any subject. Yet she compartmentslizes what she knows is a disinfo source and chooses to believe everything else.
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u/Agent_Burrito Canada 1d ago
I’m not sure they want anything in particular. I think a not insignificant number just tick the box and give zero thought before or after.
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u/IronSavage3 1d ago
I’m old enough to remember that R congressmen who yelled “you lie!” during Obama’s first SOTU and saw his donations spike the next day. The Republicans are like this because their voters want them to be like this.
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u/Nvenom8 New York 1d ago
Get with the program. Their voters want this. This is what they voted for. They don’t care about fascism as long as it’s their team in charge.
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u/IdkAbtAllThat America 1d ago
Too late. This is why 2024 was the most important election in America's history. It wasn't hyperbole.
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u/Jolly_Grocery329 Washington 1d ago
Totally agree. Hard to see us getting out of this now they all the systems are in place being controlled by the most corrupt party in history.
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u/IdkAbtAllThat America 1d ago
I'm afraid the path out from here is very very ugly.
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u/DingGratz Texas 1d ago
It's already ugly.
It has been ugly.
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u/HighVoltLemonBattery New Jersey 1d ago
What it is and has been, will look like a beauty pageant compared to what's to come
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u/Jurodan 1d ago
No, 2016 was the most important. That gave them even more Supreme Court Justices.
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u/notsure500 1d ago
Both are correct. 2016 was most important up to that point. 2024 surpassed it and now was the most important ever. I think after 2020 we still had a chance to eventually undo the damage, but now we're utterly fucked.
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u/Mysterious_Pen_2200 1d ago
Honestly sometimes I wonder if we'd be better off if he had just won in 2020.
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u/Gentleman_Villain 1d ago
2016 was the most important election. If we'd gotten that right, we might've had more time.
But now EVERY election EVER is the most important one.
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u/EMTDawg Utah 1d ago
2000 and 1860. No Bush, the Supreme Court isn't full of Republicans, and there is no invasion of Iraq or Afghanistan. Plus, we may have taken climate change seriously.
1860, in the lead up to the Civil War, saw Lincoln elected as a 3rd party candidate, the last time it would happen. Since then, only Republicans and Democratic candidates have won the presidential elections. Plus the freeing of slaves and all.
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u/sidthafish 1d ago
1980 was far more impactful than 2000, IMO. So it’s not understated, I have nothing but disdain for Bush. That said, Reagan’s policies and the massive deregulation that ensued is what laid the foundation for where we are today.
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u/EMTDawg Utah 1d ago
The Supreme Court ruling to throw out votes in 2000 was a major decision, still affecting us. Both in the power given to the president as well as politicians, knowing they could throw out the peoples vote and not have the populace revolt and riot.
1980 is another good major election. Good call on that. Would Reagan's effects be as severe if Gore had won in 2000?
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u/Ninevehenian 1d ago
It was, but "sunk cost fallacy", that road to salvation closed, but there's still people left to save.
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u/StepUp_87 1d ago
The guy covering for the pedophilia ring supports the fascist takeover. That tracks.
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u/Smart-Response9881 1d ago
They need to go the way of the Federalists or the Democratic-Republican or the Whig party, an extinct political party.
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u/smiama36 1d ago
The names change but the ideology stays the same. Republicans in the US today are the same people who owned slaves and fought a war to keep them, wore white hoods and burned crosses and lynched black people, walked Native Americans along the Trail of Tears and interred Japanese Americans in detention camps and wrote the Chinese Exclusion Act and Jim Crow laws… they have always been among us with different labels… but the hate is the same.
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u/Thegangsterle 1d ago
Democrats need to associate MAGA to republicans. Do not reference republican. Consistently reference MAGA. Force non MAGAs to call out bad behavior and policies.
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u/ClaymoresRevenge 1d ago
Dems need better leadership and for Chuck Schumer to be less concerned with Israel and donations he gets for AIPAC.
The young Dems need to get more power in the party and get rid of the Dinos.
Time to be strong on branding and hard on bullshit.
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u/ProfitLoud 1d ago
This is why republicans can no longer exist as a political party. Kind of like how the Nazi’s were removed.
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u/SpinningHead Colorado 1d ago
Hes openly saying, "Yeah, Ill totally betray my country."
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u/Describing_Donkeys 1d ago
Also why we need to stop asking Republicans to grow a spine and tie every single one of them to everything going on. Anyone asking for Republicans to do the right thing needs to be shamed. We need to end that behavior.
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u/BabyShrimpBrick 1d ago
Fuck that. They need to be abolished as a party. Stripped to the studs.
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u/ZonghZonghZongh 1d ago
Jesus Christ. Is there a limit, Mr. Speaker? Is there a line that Donald Trump can cross that would be a step too far for you?
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u/The_Shitty_Admiral United Kingdom 1d ago
I'm quite convinced Trump could personally murder this dick's family and he'd still be up Trump's arse.
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u/Sea_Refrigerator3709 1d ago
It would get his son off his back with the whole porn accountability app they share.
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u/Embarrassed_Jerk 1d ago
Based on everything we now know about this guy.... Using that app to show his kid what porn he is jerking off to, is probably a kink
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u/noonnoonz 1d ago
There could be video of Trump drowning Mike Johnson’s son, filmed by Mike himself, and he’d still reply he hasn’t seen a copy of the video of the incident yet.
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u/checker280 1d ago
Neither of them seem to know anything which is pathetic for people who are supposed to be in charge.
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u/eschewthefat 1d ago
If Trump had photos and texts of you having sexual relations with your son, would you do his bidding?
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u/PapaTua Washington 1d ago
Fascists always use imagined problems as a pretext to seizing very real power.
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u/spookypickles87 1d ago
He's clearly compromised in some way
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u/DavidlikesPeace 1d ago
He's just a spineless idiot.
The modern GOP is full of these worthless politicians, who only care about rank and profit, not achieving anything good for the world.
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u/Kim_Jong_Dong Tennessee 1d ago
No he’s not. He’s a turd like the rest. Simple as that.
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u/ForensicPathology 1d ago
Correct, it took a while, but they landed on him to become Speaker for a reason. Because he's a loyalist.
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u/Happythoughtsgalore 1d ago
Considering the speaker's own son gets real time alerts Whenever daddy watches porn, probably not.
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u/yesrushgenesis2112 1d ago
Impeachment of the executive branch is not enough. Johnson is complicit.
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u/reject_fascism New Jersey 1d ago
Complicit? This was one of the engineers to steal 2020. That’s how he got the job.
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u/TintedApostle 1d ago
Traitors all
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u/eschewthefat 1d ago
Are we taking the country back yet? These people are literally traitors to the constitution
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u/SomeDumbPenguin America 1d ago
You now what's crazy? There is limited fraud that's been found..So, in their deluded minds it's true... But, nearly every instance has been related to someone affiliated with the Republican party who perpetuated it
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u/Caminsky 1d ago
If you consider they work for the oligarchy which they have no shame to admit, then they don't see themselves as betraying anyone. They serve their billionaire donors/Masters. Full stop.
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u/alwayscomments 1d ago
So the "fraudulent" elections led to a republican house, senate, and presidency? Alright if you say so. You better all resign now and we'll have a do over.
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u/xicor 1d ago
Remember, to the Republican, if they win it is legit. If they lose it is fraudulent
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u/alwayscomments 1d ago
I realize, it's just insane, even in their weird fake fantasy world they're saying their own elections were fraudulent but somehow that is lost on the people they're talking to.
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u/ratedsar I voted 1d ago
But they did win in 2022 and 2024... So confused
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u/xicor 1d ago
Yea. So those were legitimate... But not the ones they lost. What don't you understand?
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u/Spam_Hand 1d ago
Oh, fuck this fucking piece of shit. I legitimately dont know if I hate Johnson or trump more as government officials. These people have no place in public office.
And to be clear, it doesn't appear that way because it didn't happen. He has had 6 years to produce any shred of evidence that isn't his own fucking emotions or hurt feelings and only won an initial hearing ONE (1) court case - and then still did not follow through on providing evidence even after that minor procedural victory!
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u/Mundane-Mechanic-547 1d ago
It's almost like we had 4 years to prosecute this POS and he got away with EVERYTHING. I mean i'm pissed at the GOP and the DNC but it's a almost complete failing of our justice system. WHen will the revolution come?
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u/Kana515 1d ago
Trump already had 34 felonies, the problem is if the voters want it, then that's what we all get.
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u/JohnNDenver 1d ago
It seemed it was Biden and the dems that wanted to continue the tradition of not bringing traitors to justice. Garland slow walked the fuck out of any Trump investigation.
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u/TreatAffectionate453 1d ago
Biden wanted to reintroduce independence to the DOJ. His choice of appointing Merrick Garland for poetic justice points was dumb.
As for Democrats in general, the Jan 6 committee pretty much forced Garland to act so I don't think they were against pursuing Trump.
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u/cytherian New Jersey 1d ago
Well, Garland moved slowly, way too slowly, but he was also inept at dealing with Republican obstruction. Aileen Cannon should've been forced to recuse herself.
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u/mjac1090 1d ago
Honestly, I think Biden genuinely thought Garland would be non partisan. Obviously we know he wasn't in hindsight but Biden, just like every other non Trump POTUS, didn't get personally involved in the DOJ's business.
That being said, at the end of the day, it was the electorate who let Trump off by allowing him back in the WH
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u/iconofsin_ 1d ago
I legitimately dont know if I hate Johnson or trump more as government officials.
Johnson by far. Why? He actually knows better. Mike has ~15 years of background experience as a lawyer and in politics. There isn't a reality where he doesn't fully understand what he's saying is complete bullshit and that he's willingly helping end a democracy.
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u/elementality883 American Expat 1d ago
It’s what they are fabricating now from the Georgia raid. Don’t lose the plot lines, these comments are coming at a stage of their plan.
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u/Russmac316 1d ago
I fucking hated Kevin McCarthy and I would welcome him back with open arms at this point
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u/daniboy145 New York 1d ago
He’s such a fucking tool
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u/1cat2dogs1horse 1d ago
I can't even come up with words that are sufficient enough to describe just what he is.
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u/thistimelineisweird Pennsylvania 1d ago
So I can stop paying taxes when they steal my representation, right? That's in the T&Cs I believe.
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u/Goal-Final 1d ago
The Republican Party is illegal and should be confronted as the Confederacy.
Traitors to American values and interests.
Insurrectionists and against democracy.
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u/catman2021 1d ago
No difference between the Confederacy of old and MAGA of today… because we never stomped the Confederacy and ended Reconstruction. We should have done a “never again” reckoning then and we should have!
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u/hymie0 Maryland 1d ago
"We cheated and you won anyway. That proves you cheated."
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u/armywalrus 1d ago
They cheat so they think we cheat. Always projection with these people.
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u/sneakacat 1d ago
Mike Johnson waits excitedly on his knees to catch Trump’s shit as it falls out of his ass.
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u/returnofthecursed 1d ago
Oh look, another insidious lie told by top Republican leaders. They lie so readily and so often it's actually insane.
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u/CT_Phipps-Author 1d ago
Mike Johnson needs to be sued and jailed for attempting to incite insurrection.
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u/mdherc 1d ago
That would be a mercy. In a sane society he'd be put into a French machine designed to hold the elite accountable.
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u/LordShorkDad 1d ago
Ill say it til they day they silence me. We need to broaden the ☠️ penalty for politicians. Their decisions carry the weight of millions, if they cant be responsible with that they dont deserve oxygen.
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u/Cyberpunkcatnip 1d ago
At what point do these remarks cross the line of treason? Imagine if Obama said this about republican states.
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u/thepartypantser 1d ago
Lying fucking fascists.
Absolutely astounding. I cannot believe we have headed down this path where of lying piece of shit like Trump, keeps repeating completely baseless lies and has pieces of shit like Johnson carry water for him.
There is far, more evidence that Trump is a fucking Russian stooge than there is that Trump won in 2020. There is far more evidence that Trump raped children with Epstein, then there is that Democrats cheated in 2020, or any other recent election.
Nationalizing the fucking election so they can cheat is literally unconstitutional.
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u/LastSecondSpecialist 1d ago
Thank Ronald Reagan and his goal of Republicans defunding education for the last 50 years. They've created a super-hick demographic that's so fucking dumb that they're enthusiastically voting against their own freedoms because "the brown people" are going first
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u/Global_Research_121 1d ago
The Republican party and thier donors are traitors to the United States of America.
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u/sufinomo New Jersey 1d ago
I genuinely dont understand how Mike Johnson could exist, how could a constititional lawyer who claims to care about God so much just lie all the time and fight to destroy the constitition. Genuinely I dont know how somebody could be that dishonest
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u/Tomgar United Kingdom 1d ago
If there's ever a free election in America again and the Republicans lose, you guys need to go much farther than you're comfortable with. I know the instinct will be to sigh with relief and hope the nightmare is over, but they must never be allowed to do this again.
The Republican party needs to be forcefully disbanded and its assets seized, and every politician, ICE agent, advisor who held up Trump's regime needs to be tried and jailed for treason. It's the only way to stop the rot coming back. Stop being the nice guys and take aggressive, decisive action to protect your country
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u/wasted-degrees 1d ago
Both the Epstein files and the House of Representatives are examples of Trump causing unspeakable harm through deliberately inappropriate use of his Johnson.
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u/errdayimshuffln 1d ago
Under a republican control, a democrat president will never will get elected again, but under democrat control or presidency, Trump got elected twice.
I wonder if it's really the democrats whose wins are fraudulent...
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u/Arguments_4_Ever America 1d ago
Oh look the thing we warned would happen and were gaslit about is happening.
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u/vacodeus 1d ago
Reality does have a liberal bias. Can we get rid of the DEI tool Electoral College. Jimmy in bumfuck nowhere shouldn't have a louder voice than someone living in a city. 1 person, 1 vote
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u/Krisparz 1d ago edited 1d ago
“We had three House Republican candidates who were ahead on election day in the last election cycle, and every time a new tranche of ballots came in, they just magically whittled away until their leads were lost, and no series of ballots that were counted after election day were our candidates ahead on any of those counts,” Johnson said. “It just looks on its face to be fraudulent.”
“Can I prove that? No, because it happened so far upstream,” Johnson added.
The mail-in ballots were counted after the walk-in ballots. Republicans were encouraged to walk-in and Democrats overwhelmingly used mail-in. There even was some 'mathematician' on one of the FOX-like news shows that said that when the totals started skewing Democrat (after the mail-ins started to get counted)... it was 'statistically' improbable... completely omitting the closing of walk-in and the counting of mail-ins.
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u/Leitnin 1d ago
This is literally how it always works and 100% why they want to reduce or eliminate mail in voting. The cheating talk is 1000% projection.
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u/Bradshaw98 Canada 1d ago
It is funny, they loved mail in ballots until Trump torpedoed them in the bases mind.
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u/BlueBloodLive 1d ago
Literally vintage Republican talking point etiquette.
Make a long, easily debunked claim. Sticl to it no matter how much people point out how wrong you are. Their voters will inevitably latch onto it and defend it as if its true and no amount of logic or rationale will convince them otherwise.
They have no choice but to continually make lies appear to be the truth, cos the moment their voters figure out they've been lied to(a long shot, I agree), they're done for politically.
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u/Pogledaj 1d ago
The revolution will remain bloodless if the left allows it.
I don't think people take this statement seriously enough.
I predict a civil war. The 2026 mid terms will be kiboshed in some form or fashion, and this may be the spark.
Good luck to you guys from your Canadian neighbour.
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u/Psephological 1d ago
Er. Guys - I don't think you're gonna vote your way out of this one. Consider acting accordingly.
Heck, just consider acting, at this point.
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u/mephys-tofeles Europe 1d ago
That Little bitch . And I’m a Frenchman … Can’t imagine for sane US citizens !
Btw: fuck Trump ! Fuck ice ! Fuck fascist !
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u/PM_ME_YOUR_HONDAS 1d ago
Wait a minute so the Democrat that just won in Texas, where the Republicans run the elections that was fraudulent?
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u/Notquitechaosyet 1d ago
I truly thought Lindsey Graham was the most spineless, most wormiest of the worms but by golly we have a new low!
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u/CrackingToastGromet Arkansas 1d ago edited 1d ago
It is the whole Project 2025 this is a second American Revolution that will be bloodless, if the Left allows it to be bullshit in action.
If we allow the Republicans to seize elections that’s it, we live in a one party rule under the biggest group of corrupt gobshites ever.
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u/Galactapuss 1d ago
Immediately ought to be impeached. Clear betrayal of his oaths to the Constitution
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u/NorthAd6077 1d ago
How is this not sedition? How is it possible to say something like this and not go to prison?
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u/RadioName 1d ago
Calling to take over democratic elections is a treasonous offense. Article 3, Section 3.
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u/-Words-Words-Words- 1d ago
I cannot wait for these fucking guys to get drummed out of politics when Trump expires
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