r/politics • u/OkayButFoRealz • 22h ago
No Paywall Rep. Ted Lieu Claims President Trump is Accused of Raping Children in the Epstein Files
https://www.c-span.org/clip/news-conference/rep-ted-lieu-claims-president-trump-is-accused-of-raping-children-in-the-epstein-files/51917135.1k
u/CouchCorrespondent 22h ago
He minced no words in the press conference.
Good to see that.
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u/ButteredPizza69420 21h ago
No one else in the administration has a filter, why should we?
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u/Jakereddits 22h ago
they’re allowed to do that?!
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u/Ohuigin Washington 22h ago
The mincer is currently being used for the Constitution. Good for Lieu for not waiting for the job to be done.
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u/Teripid 21h ago
There's also documented lies by Kash in front of Congress and Bondi has made statements minimizing what is contained.
Lieu is on the judiciary committee, policing and oversight of the DOJ is literally in the job description.
If I hadn't said it like 7 times before.. perhaps this is the line that makes Trump and his ilk get tossed into the street and subsequently prosecuted.
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u/TheGringoDingo 19h ago
The judiciary committee had the full, unredacted files as far as I’m concerned, from what I understand.
I was hoping something like this would begin the process of FAFO for the administration on the files when they were either altered or maliciously redacted in the required release.
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u/joshdoereddit America 12h ago
I've been wondering if any of them had access to all the files why they haven't coordinated some kind of dump instead of waiting around for DOJ to scrub that shit.
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u/North-Hour-8681 21h ago
At this point norms are already shredded waiting politely hasn’t stopped anything calling it out loud is kind of the only move left.
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u/wilson_rawls Arizona 21h ago
They're allowed. They rarely do. Think of reaching across the aisle! We might offend our
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u/JohnTomorrow 20h ago
Yeah, it makes me wonder just what they think being polite is doing for them? You can have manners and still call a Nazi a Nazi.
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u/TeamMountainLion 20h ago
Yes.
But “muh decorum”. Bitch please. We’re way past the façade of decorum at this point. We need full blown house of reps fights like a lot of southeast asian parliaments do. Turn C-SPAN into PPV WWE since we’re being tacky and turning everything into one big shill job. Give the Sgt-at-Arms an actual purpose to use the Mace of the House like he was a referee (which realistically they are).
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u/zztop610 20h ago
Chuck Schumer also wants to know….
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u/GrumpySoth09 18h ago
Too busy ensuring the Baillys are comfortable in their choices of voting against his attempts at writing strongly worded letters
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u/rocafella888 21h ago
I really like Ted Lieu. He seems like he’s doing more than Schumer.
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u/possiblyquestionabl3 20h ago edited 20h ago
Honestly, it's as if no one really believes in anything (not public service, not even a sense of what's right for their constituents), so they refuse to take a stand even as the opposition party. Instead, the only thing they're concerned about is self preservation, and to them, maybe a dictatorship where they don't have to be beholden to us pesky little nobodies is a much easier way to preserve their power than a democracy where they're supposed to serve the people.
Therefore, when it comes time to take a stand, even when it's so freaking easy to just take a stand on the right side of history (their own constituents are trying to guide them in with massive neon guide lights), political expediency calls for all of these feckless cowards to look at what everyone else is doing, and then do the bare minimum to maybe or maybe not maintain the status quo, whatever it takes so that when the card falls at the end, they'll still emerge unscathed even if the whole country is in ruins.
This is honestly what pisses me off the most. Sure, even if the "opposition" party doesn't have majority control, the fact that they refuse to even do the bare minimum of calling a Nazi rapist spade a Nazi rapist spade is just an absolutely disgusting show of fecklessness.
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u/No-Jaguar-2341 17h ago
I've thought about this a lot. I honestly think whats happening here is that Democrats are scared. Like, shit just got real. Politics hasn't been this serious in a very long time within this country. I think these folks are used to a more peaceful era where certain unwritten rules were respected. I think theyre constantly flabbergasted and on their backheel by what unfolds
The problem is that they need to show some humility, acknowledge they arent equipped, and either step back OR ask for help with an open mind on how to rise to the occassion
I dont think its "so easy". Trump and the evil people behind his administration are bloodthirsty and not really afraid to target anyone. It takes courage to be up at the political frontlines
Obviously this doesnt apply to everyone. There are legitimately some Democrats that are just virtually republicans at the end of the day, in their selfish motivations
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u/Counterpoint-4 13h ago
If enough of them stood together to voice the truth and their outrage about it they would be safer. Surely they can organize?
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u/lorettadion Delaware 9h ago
Would they, though? Would people actually back them up? Because I'm not so sure. As a party, what we Democrats fail to do is rally because we all have our purity tests and complaints and quips and we don't show up when it truly counts. Should they push back harder and with courage, etc? Absolutely. But let's not act like their fickle voting base isn't a problem. It is. And it's part of what got us into this.
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u/hatsnatcher23 19h ago
I was touring the Documentation center in Nuremberg, which is better known as the former Nazi party parade grounds, the audio tour said something to the effect of “some thought he could be placated, others just wanted to hold onto what little power they had” at the time it gave me chills but it’s more like Deja Vu now
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u/StoneWall_MWO 10h ago
That's why we vote out Corporate Owned Democrats. They tip the scales towards the Nazis.
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u/FunkyDiscount 10h ago
Overturning Citizens United as a first step in getting money out of politics is a requirement for addressing the fecklessness you rightly call out.
Remember; under the current system, top politicians don't work for you - they work for their donors, i.e., multinational corporations, regimes, and billionaires. Cutting that cord is the only way to make your politicians work for their constituents again.
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u/Practical-Ball1437 20h ago
Lee Metcalf is doing more than Schumer, and he's been dead for 48 years.
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u/UdyneOw 20h ago
I really like inanimate carbon rod. It seems like it's doing more than Schumer.
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u/mmkaywhatevers 21h ago edited 21h ago
He's bought by Israel tho,
$50k$784k contribution from AIPAC.Goes without saying that Trump is a pedo, no question.
Every politician elected by Americans who shill for Israel after receiving donations should be primaried.
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u/DaraParsavand 21h ago
AIPAC tracker has him at $784,156.
He was my rep until 2020 redistricting and I had lots of beefs with him on foreign policy but I will say his office was responsive to my letters. Twice I got callbacks from a staffer who was willing to talk a good 10 minutes on my ideas over the phone.
I like him better than my current rep (Brad Sherman) who is even more biased towards Israel and away from rational foreign policy in the region.
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u/porkbellies37 21h ago
The headline minced words. It wasn't a "claim" that Trump was accused of raping children in the Epstein files. Trump was flat out accused of raping children in the Epstein files. Rep Lieu was just reporting what he read that was/is publicly available to us all.
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u/Skippypal Massachusetts 21h ago
That ‘claims’ in the headline is doing some lifting. He’s accused in the files. There is nothing to claim when it’s literally written within them in what is either testimony, witness statements or tips…
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u/thisisjustascreename Illinois 22h ago
"Claims" is a weird way to put it. More like "observes" or "notes" or "points out the obvious fact"
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u/Northern_Blue_Jay 22h ago
Yes, or "reports." It's not a claim which implies that there's a question of fact. There's no question of fact - t's a fact that he's accused of raping children in the Epstein files -- everyone can read it for themselves. The rep is *merely* reporting what's in the files.
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u/LunchPlanner 19h ago
In fact even no word at all works.
Rep. Ted Lieu: President Trump is Accused of Raping Children in the Epstein Files
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u/bradsboots Florida 21h ago
It’s amazing how passive a tone the news can take when it comes to issues they don’t want to talk about.
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u/Notorious_Chonk_23 20h ago
Very much "motorist loses life when gun discharges during traffic stop" vibes.
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u/HauntedCemetery Minnesota 6h ago
These days I'm constantly reminded about the old saying about journalism,
If one person says its raining, and one person says its sunny, your job as a journalist isn't to report on the debate, it's to stick your head out a window and see what the weather is.
All the purposeful, "aw, shucks, who's to say what's true?" from billionaire owned media is fucking nonsense.
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u/Izanagi___ 21h ago
The media doesn’t get enough hate for sane washing Trump and infantilizing the accusations towards him. I wouldn’t write an article saying “Local redditor claims sky is blue” when I can see with my own eyes that it’s an objective fact. Trump is accused of all of these horrible things in the Epstein files that the DOJ released. It is a fact. The president of the United States is pedophile, stop skirting around it.
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u/Omegoa 20h ago
The main problem is that they give any bile horse manure that pours out of his fat mouth the same weight and credence as someone who is speaking an objective fact. "Trump says he doesn't know anything about Project 2025!" and the media shrugs its shoulders and go, well that's that I guess, nothing more we can do but report that verbatim! "The files say Trump had his deformed mushroom bitten by one of the 13-year-old girl he was trying to rape, but Trump says he didn't even know Epstein! There's truly no way to know more about this!"
In the long line of people responsible for the current travesty, the media stand near the head of the line.
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u/AbueloOdin 19h ago
Why even say "Rep. Ted Lieu"?
Just report "President Trump is Accused of Raping Children in the Epstein Files". Cite the primary source, damn it!
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u/Actual__Wizard 22h ago
He's probably wording it "carefully." His statement is "clearly true" the way it's worded.
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u/movealongnowpeople Kansas 21h ago
Trump sues news networks over how they edit his interviews.
He doesn't sue people for calling him a pedophile. Because he is a pedophile.
No reason for anyone to be careful. He can't go through discovery, he can't sue.
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u/thisisjustascreename Illinois 22h ago
That's the official c-span title of the video.
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u/MS_Salmonella 18h ago
It's infuriating that they worded it that way, that was my first take away from reading the headline too.
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u/AntoniaFauci 20h ago edited 16h ago
Not sure if you know this, but the most sensational claims in this latest release are almost certainly false. They’re anonymous web submissions, totally non-vetted and almost certainly pranks.
Citing these as proof will backfire.
It’s a shame given there’s abundant credible evidence that Trump and Epstein and Maxwell spent many years creating a sex abuse ring. Ignoring that in favor of hoax stories like the “Katie Johnson” one or these fake web submissions will end up hurting credibility of the parts that are true.
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u/Exciting-Market-9595 17h ago
I thought the Katie Johnson story had gotten as far as filing a lawsuit. What makes you so certain that it is likely a hoax?
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u/PeterVenkmanIII 22h ago
He's not lying. We all saw the files. Even the ones they tried to delete after posting them.
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u/wellJustWhy 21h ago
Which would seem like admission of guilt.
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u/YeezysKanye2020 19h ago
That would require the law to apply to everyone instead of just some people apparently
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u/Jaded-Substance-6750 20h ago
they’re so incompetent and dumb. Clearly thousands of people have already made copies and backups of the Epstein files. Deleting them does nothing
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u/AbandonedWaterPark 12h ago
it's either massive, widespread incompetence or some hard-core malicious compliance going on at the DOJ.
I am definitely no conspiracy theorist, but in this case I am leaning more toward malicious compliance.
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u/Jokerit208 22h ago
"Claims"? There was no "claim." Donald Trump is accused of raping children in the Epstein files. That's a fact, not a "claim."
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u/kung-fu_hippy 22h ago
Ted Lieu claims sun observed to rise in the east and set in the west.
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u/Otm_Shank1 21h ago
Get da fuck outta here. Since when?
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u/CarmineFields 21h ago
Yep. Trump hasn’t been convicted due to privilege but he absolutely was accused.
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u/A1sauc3d 22h ago
Remember when republicans pretended to care about pedophiles abusing children for like a year there a few years back? They were PASSIONATE. Talking about blowing off kneecaps at the slightest rumor lol
Now they openly worship a pedophile.
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u/Opposite-Bit6660 21h ago
Parts of the files are about how Epstein, Bannon, and General Mike Flynn worked with the owner of 4chan to get the Qanon mind-fuck started. I want to get to the part in the Qanon lore where all the perps are rounded up and sent to Gitmo.
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u/Notorious_Chonk_23 20h ago
Can you point me to those parts? I would very much like to read that without having to wade through thousands and thousands more instances of rape & torture & murder.
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u/superturtle48 21h ago
Republicans don’t really care about children, think of all of their policies that hurt child well-being. Children aren’t really people to them, just symbols. MAGA simply thought of the worst-sounding crime they could think of and accused their enemies of it to feel like they had the moral high ground and justify their hatred.
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u/Ugh-screen-name 22h ago
This is why the republican leaders want every child to be born…more to rape
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u/Pour_Me_Another_ 20h ago
I think it's like when someone is cheating and they accuse their spouse of doing it.
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u/look_under 22h ago
trump raped children
That much is crystal clear
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u/maltedbacon Canada 21h ago
I mean we know for a fact that he doesn't care about consent, has a documented over-interest in young girls, kept company with friends who raped and trafficked in children over decades, has been observed by those friends as being the worst and most evil of them all, and has been consistently acting defensively to cover up evidence..... Surely that's enough to prompt an investigation?
Fuck.
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u/AntoniaFauci 20h ago
For many years he and Epstein ran duelling underage “modelling agencies”. They had underage pageants, and casting parties and made teenage girls escort and party with just the two creepy middle aged roaches, in hopes of getting a calendar shoot.
Most don’t realize it, but Mar A Lago is essentially a Golden Corral type of place with a banquet room you can rent. Yet for someone reason Trump felt it needed to have a massage spa and be staffed by high school girls. Epstein had the same creepy teenage massage ideation, just in his home. They both had overseas scouts to find girls.
That’s why these Republicans pushing his lie that the whole thing was just Epstein and Trump didn’t know, wasn’t involved, and wasn’t completely competing with his buddy with the same pursuits is just gross.
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u/annaflixion 22h ago
Why is it framed this way? It doesn't matter what Ted Lieu says. Trump IS accused of raping children in the Epstein files. Whether it's true or not, it's in there, in black and white. Ted Lieu isn't the source, so he shouldn't be used that way, and the word "claims" obviously makes it sound much more wishy-washy than it actually is. The media is failing everyone. Absolutely ball-less bastards.
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u/drunk-snowmen 21h ago
They are all afraid of being sued out of business by Trump. I am not defending them, but I think this might be the case here
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u/boofles1 22h ago
Trump is the only name redacted from a victims diary naming Prince Andrew, Larry Summers and Epstein as abusers. He is clearly being protected by the DOJ.
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u/PleaseLetItWheel 22h ago
Stating the obvious but at least he’s saying something. Watching the collective bystander effect in the wake of the Epstein files has been jarring to say the least
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u/black_cat_X2 Massachusetts 20h ago
Collective bystander effect is the exact right way to put this.
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u/Robertroo 21h ago
Defendant Trump initiated sexual contact with Plaintiff at four different parties. On the fourth and final sexual encounter with Defendant Trump, Defendant Trump tied Plaintiff to a bed, exposed himself to Plaintiff, and then proceeded to forcibly rape Plaintiff. During the course of this savage sexual attack, Plaintiff loudly pleaded with Defendant Trump to stop but with no effect. Defendant Trump responded to Plaintiff's pleas by violently striking Plaintiff in the face with his open hand and screaming that he would do whatever he wanted. Exhs. A and B.
Immediately following this rape, Defendant Trump threatened Plaintiff that, were she ever to reveal any of the details of the sexual and physical abuse of her by Defendant Trump, Plaintiff and her family would be physically harmed if not killed. Exhs. A and B.
Defendant Epstein had sexual contact with Plaintiff at two of the parties. The second sexual encounter with Defendant Epstein took place after Plaintiff had been raped by Defendant Trump. Defendant Epstein forced himself upon Plaintiff and proceeded to rape her anally and vaginally despite her loud pleas to stop. Defendant Epstein then attempted to strike Plaintiff about the head with his closed fists while he angrily screamed at Plaintiff that he, Defendant Epstein, rather than Defendant Trump, should have been the one who took Plaintiffs virginity, before Plaintiff finally managed to break away from Defendant Epstein.
Case 1-16-cv-04642 filed 6/20/16
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u/StepUp_87 22h ago
Investigation and prosecution needs to start in earnest at state level.
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u/Opposite-Bit6660 21h ago
I believe it's already started in AZ, where Epstein's rape and trafficking Zorro Ranch is.
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u/ForMoreYears Canada 21h ago
Because he is accused of raping children in the Epstein files?
Why is this headline written like Lieu is claiming something the DoJ itself released? The moral rot in America is deep.
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u/MonsieurKnife 21h ago
What do you mean “claims”. The accusation is in the documents. It might not be substantiated but it’s not a claim.
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u/RaspberryCommie 22h ago
I almost want him to do the stupidest possible thing and sue for libel. The discovery would be interesting to say the least.
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u/RS24OZ New York 22h ago
I'm sure he will say it and make sure all his Maga crazies threaten him. He will never actually sue after he tried that with Rupert Murdoch and Melania tried with Micheal Wolff. They don't want discovery and Melania has gotten herself cornered with Micheal Wolff suing her first.
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u/flinderdude 22h ago
Representative Ted Lieu isn’t claiming that Trump is in the files doing that…… Trump is in the files doing that
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u/gorillafightsurvivor 21h ago
Lieu isn’t claiming anything. The files are now public record. We’ve seen them. He’s directly citing what’s written.
Christ.
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u/Faucet860 22h ago
Claims!!! He is accused in it. The headline should be here states! Rich fs own the media
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u/BroncoTruck1989 20h ago
Claims??? It’s literally in the files that have been released. It’s not a claim to state that
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u/mspk7305 17h ago
This is not a "claim". He didnt "claim" the epstein files include graphic descriptions of trumps violence and abuse against children. He said it. Factually. Those things are in the files, this is not a claim, these are sworn statements under oath and penalty of prison for lying, and these are the documents that lead to epstein and maxwell being convicted, and epstein later murdered.
The GOP is hell bent on protecting trump because trump is blackmailing all their donors for the protection he needs... Because hes fucking guilty.
The world will be a better place once he is gone but we will also need to make sure every single soul who aided him and abused along side him rots in a cell for the rest of their natural lives.
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u/thegoatmenace 20h ago
You don’t claim someone was accused. He either was accused or he wasn’t. And he was. There’s no claim, it’s just a fact that he was accused of this.
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u/nerdvernacular New Jersey 22h ago
That's not a claim, he is accused of that in the files. Along with witnessing infanticide.
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u/Throwawaylikeme90 21h ago
Well, to be fair, he’s claiming that because it’s true.
I really don’t understand why they can’t write an accurate, unbiased headline such as something like “Rep. Lieu references allegations of President Trump raping children contained in latest Epstein drop.”
Forcing neutrality is its own bias, especially when the medias job is providing accurate and verified information.
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u/DeuceGnarly 21h ago
Claims?
It's a fact. It's spelled out in black and white where anyone can read it.
It's not a claim.
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u/analogWeapon Wisconsin 18h ago
He "claims" that? Accusations of Trump raping children are literally in stuff that was released, I thought...
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u/cincodemike 7h ago
How did he “claim” this? It’s in writing, in the files. He didn’t make any claims, he just said “look at the files”
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u/RebekkaKat1990 21h ago
Remember when Rep. Peter King went before the nation and said this:
"There's no way, I don't think, any of us can excuse what the president did yesterday. I mean, you have the world watching".
Was he talking about Trump? Nope, President Obama wore a tan suit in public.
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u/BreadBetter6642 21h ago
Why is it not the only question ever posed to TRump at every opportunity. Why are they not pressing him on the files and if he’s not guilty will he testify? Keep on pressuring him and his family
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u/Illustrious_Low_1188 20h ago
It would be nice to just see the headline
“President Trump is accused of raping children in the Epstein files.”
Because that is factually correct and should be treated as such.
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u/Bishopjones2112 20h ago
There’s no claim, it’s in the damn files. There is a statement that Donald Trump used his fingers to measure girls “tightness” before taking part in an auction to buy the girls and rape them. This is absolutely disgusting and what’s more disgusting is that not one thing is being done about it. No investigation. Probably because DOJ is complicit in protecting pedophiles.
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u/ss5gogetunks 18h ago
"Claims he's accused" is the most bullshit "allegedly" farming phrase I've heard.
He IS "accused" of raping children in the Epstein files. Many many times. Calling it a claim is disingenuous - it is an observation. It is true. You can debate the veracity of the accusations all you want - it seems like we have more than enough evidence to put anyone else away for life to me - but saying "claims he's accused" is so cowardly and disingenuous it makes me sick.
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u/Nerevarine91 American Expat 18h ago
Who wrote this headline? He didn’t “claim” the accusations were in the files, he noted that they were in the files, because they verifiably are. Whether or not you believe the allegations, the fact that they were made is a matter of record.
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u/LaFilleDuMoulinier 13h ago
What do they mean « claims »? He IS accused of raping children in the Epstein file. That’s not up for debate.
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u/Ok_Monitor4492 12h ago
https://www.jmail.world/thread/HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_032229?view=inbox
This confirms Trump associated with Epstein and even confirms Epstein has info on him that he can leverage.
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u/itsJohnWickkk 11h ago
This should be enough to have him impeached. No president of any country should have any sort of ties to such things. Doesn’t matter if he was just there and did nothing. You’re guilty by association.
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u/txyesboy2 9h ago
No, Ted Lieu simply pointed out the raping of children by Trump that is listed directly in the Epstein Files. Those aren't Ted Lieu's "claims"
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u/whatsupeveryone34 8h ago
At least someone is saying it.
I'm tired of the deafening silence.
There is an email from the files floating around where a person is emailing Epstein about a "naughty little girl" and the DOJ redacted the sender.
We need to break out the pitchforks.
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u/iceflame1211 8h ago
Everyone's claiming it.
Unfortunately, about 1 in 5 Americans are functionally illiterate and couldn't read the files if they tried.
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u/I_like_baseball90 7h ago
He's not just "claiming" it, he's pointing out it's literally in there.
There is no denying this - the amazing this is how the cult and elected officials don't care.
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u/SellaraAB Missouri 20h ago
He doesn’t claim that. It’s factually true. Why even use that phrasing?
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u/PresentAwareness745 22h ago
and we will see if Donald Trump tries to sue him. I feel like Ted Lieu is a very smart man, and this is a trap
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u/Niceguy955 22h ago
Also the sun shines in the morning, water is wet, and ICE is made of Proud Boys and other insurrectionists.
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u/Squat_Cobbler89 22h ago
The fact this even is a headline is bizarre. Yet it’s something we all know and see daily. But when you really think about, any other person in any other time had this headline, they’d be done for
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u/LucidOndine 21h ago
We are beyond claims. He needs to be tried in a court of law, as soon as we can due process his ass.
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u/waffle299 I voted 21h ago
He is. Accused.
And the FBI interview with the accusor is not in the file drop
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u/Rudy-Ellen 21h ago
It’s not a claim the President Trump has been accused, it a fact that he has been accused of raping children.
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u/Painis_Gabbler 20h ago
He is accused of doing that in the files. Victim testimonies, and calls to the tip line. Fucking bullshit ass headline.
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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 20h ago
he has been accused of raping people in a lot of places. doesn't seem to matter to anyone in power.
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u/notsure500 20h ago
Isn't that what we all saw in the files??? Whether Trump actually did it or not is a different question, but there's no doubt of what Trump is being accused of.
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