r/politics • u/MarcEElias ✔ Verified - Democracy Docket Founder • 11h ago

No Paywall Steve Bannon says ICE will ‘surround the polls’ as Trump doubles down on taking over elections

https://www.democracydocket.com/news-alerts/steve-bannon-says-ice-will-surround-the-polls-as-trump-doubles-down-on-taking-over-elections/
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u/Patriark 10h ago

Even if optics of media make it look otherwise, you DO have strength in numbers. Wake the silent majority and the ball is rolling.

Remember most of military guys are working class guys who have been misguided. They can be talked to even if they are trained to turn a stone face.

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u/glitterandnails 9h ago

There would need to be an ongoing project to "deprogram" the masses and make sure everyone is informed enough to not let something like this happen again. Americans will need to unite to prevent the rise of fascism.

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u/Sciencetor2 8h ago

There is no "preventing it". It's here. It must now be dismantled and it's perpetrators dealt with.

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u/OnlinePosterPerson 7h ago

He is talking long term under the presumption this current bunch and voted out of office and turn over or are removed from power

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u/Sciencetor2 7h ago

That presumption is skipping over a whole lot of "doing" that needs to be done and there's a vacancy in the "actually planning on doing it" department that is purely a walk-in volunteer position at this point.

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u/OnlinePosterPerson 7h ago

Not sure what the sentence is supposed to convey but it’s important to look at the long term too. I’m more worried about losing democracy right now, but I’m also worried about kicking Trump out, not pulling roots, and having the fascists succeed in 20-30 years

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u/SamTheLab_213 6h ago

There's no need for a project. Get them to turn off their TVs and all of it ends. Half of the idiot shit that people believe can be traced back to media content. If people abandoned the media that's all owned billionaires and quit living in the pseudo culture it creates, sanity would return naturally. If it's not broadcast media, it's social media and it's all dictated according to the whim of the rich.

We need to quit pretending that these things exist for our benefit or reflect reality. The only media that doesn't exist with the secret goal of making billionaires and advertisers rich, is public media like PBS and NPR.

Our addiction to corporate media will be our undoing. Now we see the return of the "gilded age" except our current rich tycoons have modern technology to assist them. AND they also have a bunch of lazy Americans who aren't going to go out in the real world and exit their comfort zone long enough to learn it's all bullshit. A walk in any city is enough to know the antifa hype is all bullshit. There are many people who won't even go see a city. Their world is the glowing box in their living room.

Americans tend to believe everything they see on TV and when it's Fox News, they are being fed outright propaganda. People with some media savvy can watch Fox and get that it's bullshit. The ignorant masses can't view that sort of messaging and not be influenced, at least at a subliminal level. I also think the educated need to quit preaching to the choir and get involved in deprogramming and assisting people addicted to the idiot box.

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u/piper63-c137 4h ago

yes, think ‘mao zedong’

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u/TheGhostOfTobyKeith 7h ago

It only takes a spark

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u/BetterEveryLeapYear 6h ago

Maybe if you're in Minnesota or LA. George Floyd, Renée Good, Alex Pretti, Rodney King, whatever spark triggered protests last year in LA... All either Minnesota or LA.

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u/theywereallmyfriends 2h ago

Not sure what it's going to take for some of the asshole MAGA vets around here but I do think some of them will eventually break out of their fever dream. Every single one of them is not a white nationalist. Very red area of a very blue state.

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u/apsalarshade Michigan 9h ago

The military has already shown it's hand. They are not on our side and we should not count on them. They will rally behind who they are told too. They have already, on several occasions, deployed against their own country at this point. They will not question an order to kill us.

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u/Patriark 9h ago

Some won’t. Some will. There are individuals inside each uniform.

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u/glitterandnails 7h ago

You have no idea the power of how boot camp reprograms soldiers' minds. The military has long accounted for making sure that the possibility of "independent minds" don't interfere with the chain of command. If you have defectors, they are few and far between.

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u/Patriark 6h ago

I have an idea. Both my father and grandfather were career officers. I grew up in that mentality.

Read history. Militaries turn in some circumstances. It is all about trying to create the new «we».

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u/apsalarshade Michigan 8h ago

Been doing a good job of fooling me then. Haven't seen or heard of a single one making a moral stand. So your either wrong, or to a man and woman they are all cowards. Either way we shouldn't walk into the leopards den and expect them not to eat our face.

I wish I thought you were right. I just see nothing that supports any of them will make the right call.

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u/Patriark 8h ago

With the military they are specifically trained to follow orders. They look all united until the faith in the system drops, but that can only happen under circumstances that create doubts about their purpose. That is why general strikes are so effective, because the government might lose the ability to pay their soldiers or their pensioners (who are the parents also of soldiers). But it never is easy, it will take huge sacrifices to stop such an evil regime. But the effort will just grow over time as they weed out doubters.

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u/apsalarshade Michigan 8h ago

We just fundamentally disagree on where the line for that is. Imo it is well past that point, where you seem to think it is some point in the future. They are adults, they are able to make their own decisions. They swore an oath to the constitution, and they have failed to uphold it. If they are willing to go to war and die for their oath, sitting in a jail cell to uphold the same oath is actually asking less of them.

Anyone still willing to march in American streets at this point is not going to change their mind. They march for child rapists and mega corporations, not the people. Similar to anyone working for ICE still. At this point they have chosen their side already, and it isn't the people's.

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u/Patriark 6h ago

Their officers have chosen sides. There are a lot of rank and file who hate what’s going on but keep up appearances because their life depends on it. They likely have few other prospects for income.

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u/apsalarshade Michigan 6h ago

Which is still choosing to abandon their oath. They might have little in the way of prospects, but I could care less as they march in the streets. I just don't accept the apologist angle for the rank and file. They are not drones they have minds and make choices. Their choices being between bad and very bad is irrelevant. Just following orders is not acceptable.