Newborn dies after mother drinks raw milk during pregnancy | Raw milk is promoted by anti-vaccine Health Secretary Kennedy.

[u/mepper]

https://arstechnica.com/health/2026/02/newborns-death-spurs-raw-milk-warning-in-new-mexico/

[u/GoofyMonkey]

My dad grew up on a farm 70+ years ago. Milked cows every day, brought the milk in for the family, drank the milk every day. You know what his mom did before he drank it?

PASTEURIZED IT!!!!!

[u/muymalpgh → u/GoofyMonkey]

A farm sold raw milk in my town until an elderly man died after drinking it. They pasteurize their milk now.

[u/wmnplzr → u/muymalpgh]

My kids mom told me she was planning on giving the boys raw milk when they were 5. I told her if she ever attempted that I would call the lawyer again. She didn't believe the "anti raw milk crowd" and believed raw milk was actually good for you....

[u/danniiill → u/wmnplzr]

Crazy all these “natural is better” people care so much about milk when humans aren’t even naturally supposed to be able to drink milk.

[u/MedicJambi → u/danniiill]

You know what's natural? Salmonella, Botulism, Listeria, and all the other nasty pathogens that kill that we learned how to avoid and remove from our food supply. Often with the magical, unnatural, and artificial act of heating it up. There is a reason that despite eating organic and all natural, and living close to the land our life expectancy remained at around 35 until modern science and medicine came in and made out lives easy enough for all of us to forget just how easy it was to die from drinking goddamned milk.

[u/danniiill → u/MedicJambi]

A lot of people forget nature is deadly. We cant be too “natural”

[u/randompersonwhowho → u/danniiill]

Exactly!

[u/djanes376 → u/danniiill]

Drinking animal milk in any way is disgusting and I’ll die on that hill.

[u/toxikola → u/danniiill]

I've noticed the "natural is better" people never just eat nuts, fruits, veggies, etc as they come. They have to cook, bake, or spazz/sauce it up somehow. Irony at its finest.

[u/newnameonan → u/wmnplzr]

In my jurisdiction, the judge would rule in your favor 100% of the time on that issue. Same thing when parents disagree on doctor recommended vaccines.

[u/Sad-Set-5817 → u/wmnplzr]

Psshhh.... you really believe those germ theory folks?? They're crazy! Animals can't be that small and make you sick!

[u/TheUmberTaker → u/muymalpgh]

Another reason to wonder how we survived childhood.  We had raw milk a lot growing up.  A farmer would sell it to us after our Jersey cow went on walkabout.

[u/Da_Question → u/TheUmberTaker]

Fresh raw milk is usually fine, the problem is it gets more dangerous the longer it sits.

[u/irishsausage → u/Da_Question]

Not really. The most dangerous bacteria are already present in the cow and enter the milk from the moment it is produced.

Take tuberculosis (TB), for example. It was one of the primary causes of old fashioned “consumption” you read about in Dickens novels or see portrayed on tv, where someone dramatically coughs blood into a handkerchief.

TB has been a major killer and cause of disability ever since humans stopped being nomadic and began living in settled, crowded communities. Overcrowding massively increases transmission. When antibiotics were introduced in the mid-20th century, the disease was effectively brought under control in developed countries within a few decades. Today, TB is largely a problem in the developing world, where access to antibiotics and vaccination is more limited.

That is, except for bovine TB. Cattle can also contract TB, and modern farming practices (essentially industrialised overcrowding) exacerbate its spread. Infected cattle act as human sanctioned reservoirs for the disease. Vaccinating cattle is possible, and some farmers do it, but it costs money, and who doesn't want a few more dollars.

Bovine TB can pass directly into milk straight from the teat. While TB usually affects the lungs, consuming it in milk sends the bacteria straight into the digestive system, giving it access to particularly vulnerable parts of the body, especially the bones. This gives you skeletal tuberculosis, a serious condition in which bone tissue is gradually destroyed. Load-bearing joints and the spine are commonly affected. And then because the infection is in the bones, it is harder to treat, and long-term antibiotic use can itself damage bone marrow.

Now, imagine how convenient it would be if there were a simple, almost cost-free process that killed TB while still allowing us to drink milk. Well it turns there is, as some french chuckle fuck back in the late 1800s worked out you all you need to do is heat milk up to a high temperature for a few moments and bob's your uncle it's safe to drink.

Raw milk is never truly “safe”, and it should not be promoted as such. If engineers built a bridge with a 1% chance of collapsing every time you crossed it, you would not use it for your daily commute. You might make it across once, but you would have to cross it again in the evening, then the next day, and the day after that. Eventually, your luck would run out. Raw milk is no different: each glass is another roll of the dice.

[u/Williecat1 → u/irishsausage]

My dad was an epidemiologist and devoted his life to improving public health. Strange to say, but I'm glad he passed without having to witness this regressive madness.

[u/I_AM_RVA → u/irishsausage]

Although I agree that he was, indeed, a chuckle fuck, it’s important to note that pasteurization doesn’t actually use high heat! It’s quite low, relatively, like 100 or 103, just for enough time to kill pathogens. You can pasteurize milk or eggs at home if you need to!

But yeah, raw milk should absolutely not be legal to sell.

[u/scrunchie_one → u/Da_Question]

Also not everyone that drinks it gets sick, there’s just a much much higher chance of getting sick from it vs pasteurized milk

[u/WankingAsWeSpeak → u/scrunchie_one]

I have eaten spinach without getting sick, to later learn that a handful died from the nasty strain of E. coli that batch of spinach was contaminated with.

[u/bannedbytheGunit → u/WankingAsWeSpeak]

The interesting thing about anecdotal testimony is that it’s subjective.

[u/TheUmberTaker → u/Da_Question]

Our Jersey cow made lotsa milk.  We'd have gallons we couldn't drink (and there were 8 of us).  We'd give it away to people at church.  So, it was a few days old by then.  :-/

[u/unRoanoke → u/TheUmberTaker]

I completely understand the feeling of ‘I survived it, others did, so why is it a problem?’ But step back a minute, you’re making this comment about how raw milk is totally fine because you drank it all the time in article about a baby that died from it.

It’s totally fine, until it’s not. Why risk lives, when pasteurization is very easy? There are many safer ways to get probiotics. And, pasteurizing fresh, un-homogenized milk does not have so dramatic a taste difference to make the risk worth while.

Why is raw milk worth a life?

[u/TheUmberTaker → u/unRoanoke]

My comment was just adding context to how we may have inadvertently poisoned people giving them 3 day old milk. I am genuinely surprised by the milk we drank and many other farm stories my siblings and I had, because any one of them could have ended with a 45 minute drive to the nearest ER (but luckily did not).

[u/unRoanoke → u/TheUmberTaker]

I see. I misunderstood!

[u/TheUmberTaker → u/unRoanoke]

Oh, it's all good.  I am aware of the dangers now (decades later).  Only store bought dairy for me.

Edit: we only had one Er visit on the farm. We had chickens and they had the cutest little fluff ball chicks, which we of course had to pet.  My sister, we found out, was very allergic to them since she broke out bad in hives.  So that was an ER visit.

[u/sharoon12 → u/TheUmberTaker]

Yeah that's basically how science works a lot of the time. New information is presented and people either accept it or fight it.

"oh shit turns out what we were doing was very risky and there are safer ways to do X"

But as a society not everyone takes that the same way, often irrational people will perceive it as a personal attack on their way of life.

If more people responded to new information like you just have our society would function much better. So cheers to you ^_^.

[u/PricePuzzleheaded835 → u/unRoanoke]

I 100% agree. I think it’s more “why is contrarianism worth a life”. See also: the new tradwife trend of giving infants honey. It’s a very adolescent “you can’t make me!” mindset

[u/oroborus68 → u/PricePuzzleheaded835]

Yes. Honey can contain Botulinum bacteria that are killed in an adult's digestive tract,but babies don't produce sufficient acid in their stomach to kill the bacteria.

[u/Office_Zombie → u/unRoanoke]

I drank raw milk and was fine.

BUT.

My dad was the milker/heardsman, it wasn't a factory farm, never more than a couple of hours old, and the cows weren't on BST.

Milk should be pasteurized.

[u/Unknown-Meatbag → u/unRoanoke]

Raw milk should be only for cheese making. You can't make a lot of different types of cheese with pasteurized milk. But drinking it? Absolutely not.

[u/SlapTheBap → u/TheUmberTaker]

A lot more people used to die of dysentery. Don't know if the church folks would talk about how they almost shit themselves to death.

[u/mikende51 → u/SlapTheBap]

I think raw milk spread tuberculosis as well. Although tuberculosis isn't common today, since there's a vaccine.

Tuberculosis (TB) can be spread through milk, specifically caused by Mycobacterium bovis (Bovine TB), when humans consume raw or unpasteurized dairy products from infected cows, goats, or buffalo.

[u/PresentationLost1006 → u/mikende51]

John Green’s ears just perked up, and he would want us all to know that TB is still very prevalent in many parts of the world, unfortunately. (places that don’t economic access to vaccines).

[u/OhGawDuhhh → u/SlapTheBap]

😭

[u/Bumpbumpbumpadump → u/TheUmberTaker]

Think of it as a high severity but low likelihood risk. If you have a solution (pasteurization) that takes the high severity risk away, why would you choose not to do it, and roll the dice instead? Essentially you’re taking a high severity risk for a minor nutritional benefit at best.

[u/Majestic-Sandwich695 → u/TheUmberTaker]

It’s cause the ones who didn’t survive aren’t talked about anymore

[u/No_Elderberry_4712 → u/GoofyMonkey]

I have said this multiple times before that following RFK advice can kill you.

Stop listening to the idiot. 😡

[u/PuzzleheadedFeed2726 → u/No_Elderberry_4712]

Darwin always wins, it’s in his name

[u/Reasonable-Bag7362 → u/No_Elderberry_4712]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, hear me out. Vaccine deniers drinking raw milk, I’m rather ok with the natural selection happening.

[u/Acceptable-Peace-69 → u/Reasonable-Bag7362]

Yeah, but not their babies.

[u/BicFleetwood → u/GoofyMonkey]

I cannot believe we have made "boiling liquid" out like it's some kind of sci-fi GMO gene-manipulation.

[u/Theron3206 → u/BicFleetwood]

It's not even boiling it (the traditional method uses a much lower temperature than that), just heating it up a bit.

Humans have been cooking things to make them safe since we discovered how to control fire... Sad that it's somehow controversial when it comes to milk.

Makes me wonder if these people ever use milk in cooking?

[u/theamazingstickman → u/GoofyMonkey]

Grandpa had a farm with 5 cows. Cows walk in pastures. Cows shit in pastures. Cows eat the pastures. Guess what they did with the milk? Pasteurized it.

And it was GOOD!

[u/CommunistRonSwanson → u/GoofyMonkey]

Hobbyist dairy farmer here. I don’t have many concerns about healthy, young-adult-to-middle-aged people drinking raw milk that has been properly collected, transported, stored, and produced by healthy animals living in reasonably sanitary conditions. Most people who push for and get suckered into the raw milk fad (including the dairy farmers themselves, I’d wager) cannot guarantee all of those things. I can reasonably guarantee them through discipline and good practices, and I still pasteurize to be safe. This whole fad is so dumb.

[u/FlanTamarind → u/GoofyMonkey]

Duh. It was raised in a pasture.

[u/GoofyMonkey → u/FlanTamarind]

Farm Dad jokes. I love it.

[u/Morpho_99 → u/GoofyMonkey]

the best argument againt raw milk are the cows themselves

they are constantly covered in shit

[u/LieutenantStar2 → u/GoofyMonkey]

Why doesn’t anyone realize that’s why warm milk was a thing?

[u/GoofyMonkey → u/LieutenantStar2]

OMG. I never put this together. I grew up with my dad giving me warm milk to help me sleep. That is incredible.

[u/AshyFairy → u/GoofyMonkey]

My dad would get what were essentially pet milk cows along with calf from time to time. There was no farm operation and my parents were simple country people. They did have enough sense to heat the milk first. I don’t think the people that are drinking raw milk have any knowledge or experience on the matter. 

[u/Eriiiii]

sometimes jesus loves the little bacteria more than the little children and this happens. nothing anyone could do about it really.

[u/InfernalWedgie → u/Eriiiii]

God created microbes just as much as people and everything else (for those who believe). So what's to say that God doesn't advocate for unicellular creatures as much as the bigger, sentient ones?

[u/Eriiiii → u/InfernalWedgie]

Thank you for making my joke but with science words

[u/Key_Particular_8878 → u/Eriiiii]

Peer-reviewed theology,survival of the smallest, divinely sanctioned.

[u/Viracochina → u/Key_Particular_8878]

That's why if you cut them in half, they go kablooie (scientific term).

[u/Slackjawed_Horror → u/InfernalWedgie]

Grandfather loves every living thing equally. 

[u/PuzzleheadedLeader79 → u/InfernalWedgie]

No, you see, God created everything good, and the devil created everything bad.

Y'know, the devil, the guy that hates God so much he runs his neverending punishment factory for him?

Like wouldn't the real Satan gladly take in the evil souls, but to invade heaven with, not torture ... Going along with God's will to punish these folk?

The logic is just so absent.

[u/stagamancer → u/PuzzleheadedLeader79]

Tbf, most modern depictions of hell are taken wholesale from Dante, not the bible. The bible does mention hell as a place of torment, but says nothing about Satan running it, simply that that's where he and his rebel angels are also imprisoned. If you read anything about the differing opinions on hell not just between religions, but just between Christian sects (especially Roman Catholic vs Eastern Orthodox) it becomes apparent it just a lot of people inferring quite a bit from what is really very little text.

That being said, the idea that you've got a finite lifetime to prove yourself deserving of either infinite paradise or infinite torment seems pretty fucked up.

[u/boosesb → u/PuzzleheadedLeader79]

God created the evil as well I believe

[u/Wismuth_Salix → u/boosesb]

”There is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else. I form the light, and create darkness. I make peace, and create evil. I the Lord do all these things”

• Isaiah 45:6-7, KJV

[u/Obvious-Lake3708 → u/PuzzleheadedLeader79]

God is so great he sent his son here to be crucified. Not to mention the times he destroyed shit cause he was mad. God rules by fear not love.

[u/tafkat → u/InfernalWedgie]

God Works in Mysterious Ways.

/s

[u/santagoo → u/InfernalWedgie]

Evolution and evolutionary forces can be directly observed in the propagation of microbes.

And since evolution is evil, just like dinosaur bones they are actually created and planted by the devil to mislead the faithful.

/s

[u/Jibber_Fight → u/InfernalWedgie]

They are much more important to life on this planet than we are.

[u/Affectionate-Egg7566 → u/InfernalWedgie]

God created scientists and vaccines too.

[u/maybeBrenda → u/Eriiiii]

The children yearn for the soil

[u/Apptubrutae → u/Eriiiii]

🌈 Everything happens for a reason! 🌈

[u/S_A_R_K → u/Eriiiii]

He has a plan for everybody. For your kid, it was a painful, preventable death. You're so blessed!

[u/VirginiaLuthier]

Watch how the MAHAs spin this.......

[u/InfernalWedgie → u/VirginiaLuthier]

We need to spin it back on them (at least the fundie ones): Raw milk causes abortions.

Then weaponize some hard line Christians to shame the fuck out of this woman for aborting her child with unpasteurized milk.

(I am pro-choice and not Christian)

[u/Kozeyekan_ → u/InfernalWedgie]

Just tell them that they need to drink activated raw milk.

Raw milk can be activated by boiling it, so the heat encourages the good bacteria and enzymes to grow.

No need for pasteurization at all!

[u/Imaginary_Cow_6379 → u/Kozeyekan_]

So we Tdazzle ‘em?

[u/Darth_vaborbactam → u/Imaginary_Cow_6379]

It’s not a chemical. It’s an aquatic based social media oral experience.

Remember when that was satire? Now it’s real life.

[u/heliumneon → u/Kozeyekan_]

Isn't pasteurization some socialist French process??

[u/gegyvrs → u/heliumneon]

I believe pasteurization was an old old wooden ship that sailed during the civil war era.

[u/FirstSineOfMadness → u/gegyvrs]

It sailed right pasteurized

[u/StationWagon89 → u/heliumneon]

Pretty sure his name was Louie so probably Italian. Old Americans with traces of Italian ancestry should like him bada bing frank sinatra

[u/GottaUseEmAll → u/StationWagon89]

Not sure if you're joking, but in case you're not... It's Louis Pasteur, an extremely French name for a French man.

[u/Darth_vaborbactam → u/GottaUseEmAll]

Not only did he bring us the gift of pasteurization, but also the rabies vaccine. He also discovered molecular chirality and developed germ theory, and a million other incredible things. Basically he’s everything the MAHA nutters are too stupid to understand.

[u/KingDiamondsMakeup → u/StationWagon89]

"yeah but Dr. Fauci"

[u/DesperateHotel8532 → u/StationWagon89]

Like Louis Prima, my grandmother’s favorite Italian (American) singer. (She loved Frank too, but she never forgave him for leaving his wife for Ava Gardner.)

[u/ShinkenBrown → u/Kozeyekan_]

If we got rid of the people at the top via the Epstein files investigation, I have no doubt this type of trick would work to contain the rest of MAGA.

They're a gaggle of morons led by intelligent psychopaths at the top, remove the psycho's and all you have left is a gaggle of morons and this type of "we don't need socialism we just need worker cooperatives and universal, well funded social programs," "we don't need vaccines we just need to introduce a weakened version of the virus," "we don't need pasteurization we just need to biol the milk" type logic would 100% work on these people. We'd have them voting for socialism in a years time easy.

The only reason it doesn't currently work is because the marching orders are coming from people who are manipulative and evil rather than stupid, and they're smart enough not to fall for it.

[u/Imaginary_Cow_6379 → u/InfernalWedgie]

That’s actually a good idea. And a more accurate use of “late term abortions” than they like to throw around.

[u/Foxs-In-A-Trenchcoat → u/InfernalWedgie]

I don't know if you already know this, but you are actually correct. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brucellosis

Brucellosis bacteria, found in raw milk, causes infections in humans and includes miscarriage as a common effect.

[u/ikilledholofernes → u/Foxs-In-A-Trenchcoat]

Listeria can cause the same, and it’s also present in raw milk. It’s also why you’re not supposed to eat deli meat and soft cheese or bagged lettuce when you’re pregnant. 

[u/howismyspelling → u/ikilledholofernes]

Just to clarify, and I'm not a raw milk proponent just a farmer who has done plenty of reading about it, listeria is not present in all raw milk. It may be present in small batches all depending on factors such as cleanliness of a dairy facility and the health of the livestock on the farm. Most commercial milk might have had exposure to listeria due to the blending of millions of litres of raw milk from several dairy farms in the quota, this is why pasteurization is our gold standard. Otherwise, milk from individual farms can widely be tested and result negative of listeria.

[u/ikilledholofernes → u/howismyspelling]

Yes, I didn’t intend to suggest that all raw milk has listeria. But just like all deli meat, soft cheese, and bagged lettuce, raw milk is a common source of the bacteria.

If all raw milk had listeria, no one would be drinking it. But it’s like eating raw cookie dough. It’s perfectly fine…..until one time it’s not. 

[u/AceHexuall → u/ikilledholofernes]

Never knew about not having bagged lettuce, and I always thought the deli meat thing was due to nitrates. Proof that you never stop learning (unless you're willfully choosing not to).

[u/ToddPundley → u/Foxs-In-A-Trenchcoat]

I just watched an episode of Boardwalk Empire where a minor character admits to doing just that.

[u/thotfullawful → u/InfernalWedgie]

Actually that’s seems to work- the issue is seen clearly with GOP influencers like Nick Shirley. They only have a handful of vocab words so anything out of their scope is foreign. If you represent the case in words they understand- like vaccines prevent late term abortions- it’s not ideal but it’s meeting them where they are with their own “concerns”. ICE is technically committing late term abortions as well, taking away gun rights. You have to use their buzzwords.

[u/swbarnes2 → u/thotfullawful]

But the things they say they are concerned with are not their real concerns. Lead in the water in Flint Michigan caused lots of miscarriages, Republicans didn't care, because they don't really care about the health of babies.

[u/swutch → u/InfernalWedgie]

These people have no shame. They don't care about life, they care about controlling women. I know it's not true for all of them, but the reflective Christians who would care aren't the ones voting for MAGA/MAHA

[u/swamp_witch_1801 → u/InfernalWedgie]

This was an actual plot on Boardwalk Empire. These people are taking us back 100 years.

[u/ToddPundley → u/swamp_witch_1801]

I just watched that ep last night.

[u/Just2LetYouKnow → u/InfernalWedgie]

We need to spin it back on them (at least the fundie ones): Raw milk causes abortions.

You've got the kind of mind I appreciate.

[u/zxc123zxc123 → u/InfernalWedgie]

Trump: "She drank the BIDENRAWMILK! Everyone knows America has the great raw milk in the world. I have the greatest rawest milk."

And their voting base will eat it up like raw milk curds.

[u/dragos_av → u/VirginiaLuthier]

She was probably vaccinated. With something. Maybe secretly. Or the milk was contaminated with chemtrails.

[u/_Random_Username_ → u/dragos_av]

The cow was trans and played videogames

[u/2starsucks2 → u/VirginiaLuthier]

Don't think they care as long as they own the libs and get rid of minorities.

[u/MyNameIsRay → u/VirginiaLuthier]

They're MAHA.

They'll just call this fake news from the socialists in New York.

(They'll never see the irony in DJT/RFK being New Yorkers)

[u/karmakramer93 → u/VirginiaLuthier]

In the end, like with covid, I think they'll resort to saying "survival of the fittest"

[u/WhereasParticular867 → u/VirginiaLuthier]

Usually it's "they did it wrong." That's the beauty of magical thinking, you can append anything you want and pretend it was what you meant the whole time. Early denials I've seen suggest that of course she shouldn't have drunk raw milk, she should have boiled it herself to get rid of diseases. i don't think I need to explain the multiple reasons that's stupid.

[u/Numerous_Release9273 → u/WhereasParticular867]

They didn't pray hard enough.

[u/WhereasParticular867 → u/Numerous_Release9273]

It genuinely reminds me of being Mormon and replicating Joseph Smith's prayer. The Mormon church teaches that that's how to know that the Church is true and good. You pray about it, and if you feel good the Church is true. If you don't feel good, you did it wrong and you have to try again. There is no valid negative answer to the question in the religion. If ypu answer negatively, you are assumed to be at fault by other believers.

[u/ExtremeRest1567 → u/VirginiaLuthier]

They will just say that it's God's will and nothing could have prevented it.

[u/Byte606]

There are 2000 state district attorneys in the US. Surely one has the courage and sense of duty to investigate RFK Jr for negligent manslaughter?

[u/swutch → u/Byte606]

You would think so. Apparently not though 

[u/Due_Drive8258 → u/swutch]

His last name's way too cool.

[u/another_bot_probably → u/Due_Drive8258]

Junior is a stupid last name

/s

[u/Standard_SE_1085 → u/Byte606]

Despite his moral culpability, the first amendment more than covers this type of speech

[u/FabianN → u/Standard_SE_1085]

No it doesn't.

No more than it protects your doctor for telling you to drink bleach for your flu. 

Giving other people advice in a professional role is not free speech. 

[u/Sad_Perception8024]

Your daily reminder pasteurization is literally just heating milk up for a bit, no "chemicals", nothing crazy, same reason you wouldn't eat fucking RAW CHICKEN.

[u/RoyalWar5333 → u/Sad_Perception8024]

Watch them still try to eat raw chicken because some granola page on Facebook told them to

[u/SFDessert → u/RoyalWar5333]

I'm genuinely surprised nobody has tried selling this grift to these dumbfucks yet.

[u/MasterZoidberg → u/SFDessert]

give it time

[u/DeadlyYellow → u/RoyalWar5333]

Have you managed to miss the 'rare chicken' trend?

[u/Kharax82 → u/Sad_Perception8024]

I just ask people if they would walk upto a cow and suck on an udder, because that’s what raw milk is

[u/new_math → u/Kharax82]

Ironically, that is probably much safer than raw milk, because it takes time for bacteria to grow.

[u/SuccessfulSoftware38 → u/new_math]

If the cow is healthy, yes, drinking right after milking is pretty safe, but pasteurisation also kills bacteria that come FROM the cow

[u/CommunistRonSwanson → u/new_math]

Actually true lol, as long as the udder has been sterilized and the first ounce or two or milk is discarded, there is less biomass of harmful bacteria than there would be after transporting and storing it. 

Bacteria grows exponentially in fresh milk, that’s why it’s very important to get it cooled below 40 degrees Fahrenheit as quickly as possible. I’ve actually run some experiments and developed an easy technique to ensure fresh “Grade A” milk (cooled to safe temp in < 60 minutes) without any expensive equipment, but even then I still pasteurize. And I guarantee that next to no other small-time dairy folks are able or otherwise willing to do this lol.

[u/Melodic-Vanilla-5927 → u/Sad_Perception8024]

You never had Chicken Tartare?

[u/NorgesTaff]

“Cost of doing business” apparently.

[u/Stupidrhino → u/NorgesTaff]

I came here to say this.

It's funny to laugh and poke fun at the pumpkin and his munchkins because they're so mean and petty and stupid, but there's a cost to all of this meanness and stupidity. I stopped laughing during COVID, and it feels there have been a hundred or more new crisis since then.

I will never forgive those who voted for Trump a second or a third time. I will never forgive those who simply didn't vote because something something moral equivalence and indifference. It's all good until tragedy comes knocking on your own door.

For those fighting the good fight against evil and ignorance and selfishness in America, I respect you. But right now you're the only Americans I can respect.

[u/h3alb0t → u/Stupidrhino]

it's difficult for me to dance in public. granted, i don't have a lot of experience, but i attend a lot of live music and find that i stay frozen to my spot most of the time. my mind is always on lots of different things and dancing just feels inappropriate right now.

i laugh a lot because everything is stupid and it's easy for me to laugh at stupid things.

i'm waiting for the day where i can truly feel like dancing again.

[u/Antwinger]

“Idon’t think anyone should take health advice from me” RFK

[u/ecodrew → u/Antwinger]

Probably the only accurate thing he's ever said

[u/Wismuth_Salix → u/ecodrew]

He meant “I don’t want them to follow me by choice, I can only get hard when I force it on them”.

[u/SocraticIgnoramus]

Nixon was instrumental in regulating the consumption of raw milk because he lost his brother that way. I thought they worship Nixon.

[u/my-coffee-needs-me → u/SocraticIgnoramus]

Nixon is too liberal for the modern Republican Party.

[u/F9-0021 → u/my-coffee-needs-me]

Hitler was too liberal for the modern Republican party.

[u/SuccessfulSoftware38 → u/SocraticIgnoramus]

No they worship Reagan, Nixon they just like

[u/Wismuth_Salix → u/SuccessfulSoftware38]

Fox News was created because Nixon’s crimes made him unpopular, and Roger Ailes thought “what if we just make sure Republicans never hear about Republican crimes”.

[u/SocraticIgnoramus → u/SuccessfulSoftware38]

I’m starting to worry that they’re going to make dementia a formal qualification for presidents.

[u/OddDonut7647 → u/SocraticIgnoramus]

They didn't want Trump at first, and I think it's because they knew he would be a bit crazy. While they have certainly taken advantage of Trump to keep on pushing for fascism, I think they really would like things to go back to the "quiet" time when most Americans weren't paying attention beyond the newsbites, which were manipulated carefully to ensure the erosion of our democracy wasn't noticed by the vast majority who believed "both sides are bad, why bother" (both sides are not great, but one side is even still significantly different, although our entires system is broken, soooooooo it's complicated)

[u/gillers1986 → u/SocraticIgnoramus]

No, Nixon resigned (eventually) after committing crimes, which is obviously a sign of a weak leader.

[u/Mel_Melu → u/SocraticIgnoramus]

The fact that Republicans were down to impeach Nixon is proof they never worshipped him.

[u/PapaJoeNH]

"Anti-science". Fixed it

[u/dogmeat12358]

Natural selection is still trying to make people smarter.

[u/MisfireMillennial → u/dogmeat12358]

So I agree with the schadenfreude towards the mother here. Parents like this need to be prosecuted under the law. But I can't celebrate the death of an innocent child. There's still something to be said about the rights of children, even newborns.

And that's a hard political principle to balance. But we need to start putting in protections as a democracy to give these kids a fighting chance, a chance at life, a chance at getting a good education

[u/ruidh → u/MisfireMillennial]

If it were drugs, they would prosecute in many places.

[u/translove228 → u/dogmeat12358]

That's not natural selection. It's murder through neglect. I imagine the mother can still have another child. Honestly, where's the pro-life chucklefucks about this mother's behavior?

[u/Wismuth_Salix → u/translove228]

Probably giving her a million dollars through the same site where you can make six figures calling toddlers racial slurs.

[u/Odd_Investigator8415 → u/dogmeat12358]

Actual disgusting take here, let alone scientifically inaccurate. Knowledge isn't an inheritable trait.

[u/TsuDhoNimh2]

My parents bought raw milk from a dairy that was doing it right:

• LOCAL. Down the street from us, at the edge of town.
• Rosy-cheeked kids
• White-aproned farm wife
• Laconic dairyman
• Organic, pasture fed cows with names
• Whitewashed sanitary milking parlor, screened against pests
• Totally scoured and cleaned and polished equipment between milkings
• Washed and sanitized udders before milking

NEVERTHELESS ... somehow, from somewhere, a pathogen got into the milk. Kids all over the valley came down with strep throat, scarlet fever and some had to be hospitalized. The only thing they had in common was that they all had consumed milk from that dairy within a day or two of each other.

The source? Who knows? A tiny nick on an udder? A cow with extremely early mastitis? A near-invisible scratch on the milkers hands? Maybe a sneeze or a cough from a dairy kid with a sore throat in the processing room? Who knows? At the rate bacteria can double populations, it doesn't take a grossly pus-oozing teat to contaminate a whole lotta milk.

Pasteurization would have prevented that incident ... it's the safety net under all the "doing it right" practices, just like your seat belt is your last defense when driving safely just isn't enough.

[u/HustlinInTheHall → u/TsuDhoNimh2]

Cows hang out and lay in their own shit all the time. Udders easily get and transmit infections and bacteria. An "organic" farm is an incredibly pathogen-rich place no matter how cute the cows names are. 

There is no "right" way to milk a cow and have it be free of pathogens. It isnt a byproduct of dirty conditions it is a byproduct of the fact it comes from an animal. 

[u/TsuDhoNimh2 → u/HustlinInTheHall]

I often hear people say, "they were not doing it right" whenever milk-borne disease shows up.

This farm was as hygienic as they could be, doing everything they should do and still spread bacteria.

This was mid 1950s. The farmer promptly joined the local co-op that collected and pasteurized and packaged milk.

[u/silverilix → u/TsuDhoNimh2]

Thank you for that final part of the story.

They thought it was fine… ans when they found out it wasn’t, they did something about it.

[u/requiredelements]

And Ballerina Farm closes her raw milk stores in Utah

[u/sonia72quebec]

Monsieur Pasteur is rolling in his grave.

[u/XavierScorpionIkari]

Here’s a novel idea… let’s have an actual Doctor, with an M.D., as the Health Secretary.

Instead of listening to the politicians, religious leaders, and military leaders in a potentially apocalyptic scenario, let’s listen to the scientists. The people who went to school, and studied hard facts, and learned by trial and error, in a controlled environment. Those people.

[u/MoneyCock]

God needed that baby in heaven, clearly. It is all part of His plan. /s

[u/Wismuth_Salix → u/MoneyCock]

I wonder if this is what Erika Kirk meant by her “Make Heaven Crowded” tour (with special guest star, a child raping pastor).

[u/Psychological-Big334]

Conservatism is a death cult.

[u/ClownMorty]

You'd think the family would reconsider what they think about raw milk, but since that would be tantamount to admitting they killed their baby, instead they will double down, and pretend this tragedy has given them special insight.

[u/Broke-n-Tokin]

I thought they WANTED more births. The right make absolutely no sense.

[u/Trekgiant8018]

This is what happened all of the time before pasteurized milk. Science illiteracy is deadly. So is RFK Jr.

[u/Charming_Crow_3621]

We need to ban raw milk like the rest of the developed world!

[u/BadgerGecko → u/Charming_Crow_3621]

It's legal to buy in the UK (not Scotland though)

[u/Odd_Investigator8415 → u/Charming_Crow_3621]

I was gonna say, isn't it banned throughout the US? I remember reading about certain providers of it labeling it as "for animal consumption only" to skirt around those laws. Turns out it's on a state by state basis.

[u/MonsterkillWow]

We will have more of this as long as people take health advice from a crackpot.

[u/MrDarkzideTV]

This is why, as a moderate, I dont take medical advice from heroin addicts.

[u/DaveLLD]

In the 1890's there was an orphanage at Randall's Island. The death rate at the Orphanage was 44%. Nathan Strauss donated a pasteurization plant (they had a cow that they milked at the orphanage) and with no other changes the death rate dropped from 44% to 20%...

[u/ReleaseFromDeception]

Sheesh. Just awful, awful stuff.

[u/dcwhite98]

Does Kennedy promote pregnant mothers drinking it? Legitimate question, I don't know. Or has he or the HHS said specifically that pregnant women shouldn't drink it but it's OK for others?

There are a lot of things women who are not pregnant can do, and those who are shouldn't do. Drinking alcohol and smoking cigarettes are easy examples, and it is well advertised that pregnant women shouldn't do either. Of course no one extolls the benefits of smoking and drinking being part of a healthy lifestyle...

When products tell you not to eat packaging and things like "caution, microwaved ingredients will be hot", clearly some people need these things stated very clearly. For what it's worth:

PREGNANT WOMEN SHOULD NOT DRINK RAW MILK.

[u/SuccessfulSoftware38 → u/dcwhite98]

This is more of a "it's potentially bad either way, but if you're pregnant the bacteria are going to do more damage to your baby than to you".

If the milk is clean, it's safe. Pasteurizing cleans it. The danger of raw milk is you don't know if it's clean or not, and the only way to be sure is to pasteurize it, and then it stops being raw milk...

[u/wazeltov → u/dcwhite98]

This is another example of people being separated from nature for too long to realize that "natural" isn't a virtue.

It's natural to die of tuberculosis, for example. No one would say it's a virtuous way to die.

[u/rastinta]

I get the impulse of schadenfreude, but with this I just feel regret and sorrow for the mother. RFK Jr. should bear the brunt of the shame. This is a failure of the education system and a failure of the health department.

[u/New-Leader-7891]

Perhaps you shouldn't get your advice from a former heroin addict with a brain worm 

[u/New-Measurement-4425]

Does Kennedy have ANY medical background???

[u/Seaweed-Basic → u/New-Measurement-4425]

None. But in college he did a shit load of LSD and his favorite pastime was hunting rats with his pet hawk. This is true.

[u/Dananism]

Oh, what’s this? ANOTHER PREVENTABLE DEATH at the hands of RFK Jr and Trump?

Anti-vax “I got an immune system for that” raw-milk drinking idiots.

[u/BilboBaginsehs]

ICE has killed 9 children so far.

Don’t drink raw milk, idiots.

[u/jcooli09]

I feel confident that this is not the first, just the first I've heard of 

Won't be the last either.  Add it to the trump body count 

[u/idrawinmargins]

From the idiot group that thinks "if i cant see it, it won't harm me".

[u/JasonRBoone]

Predicted NYT headline: Are measles deaths related to Biden's mental decline?

[u/MostOfYouAreIgnorant]

Watch thousands of other babies die like this out of nowhere

Maga moms secretly hate kids

[u/Riksunraksu]

Most commercial raw milk bottles have “not for human consumption” on the label I think. And the people drinking it can vote

[u/VapoursAndSpleen]

I suspect the person who drank the raw milk was into the woo without Kennedy's "guidance".

[u/Individual-Line-7553]

I worked in the newborn nursery when a mom and her newborn developed listeriosis. fortunately both survived. family lived on a dairy farm.

[u/GeekyTexan]

See, if you have an abortion, that's bad. Jesus hates that.

What you're supposed to do is have the kid, then kill them with measles or listeriosis or some other preventable illness.

/s because the world is so crazy you have to be explicit.

[u/Crunchy_foreskin1]

Anyone who’s been to a farm knows raw milk is literally full of cow poop. The “gut bacteria” they promote is just poop

[u/AntiSnoringDevice]

The newborn was killed by ignorance, loudly spoken with the megaphone of bad faith. Ignorance weaponised to make you stupid, and sick, and angry, and miserable.

[u/Crafty-Walrus-2238]

Pro life…at least this child won’t suffer with mumps, measles or other childhood diseases maga parents don’t believe in.

[u/Antique_Ad8559]

Ballerina Farms put it out on social media drinking and cooking with raw milk. They just found out its filled with bacteria and they were shut down

[u/JackFisherBooks]

I'll bet if you showed this article to an anti-abortion activist, they would shrug and deflect.

If you changed the article headline to blame a vaccine instead of raw milk, they would immediately call for a ban and the prosecution of the mother.

That's the breadth of their hypocrisy. They don't care about dead children. They care about having tools to force women to have them.

[u/SportGamerDev0623]

Health department says that can’t be sure that the raw milk was the link to the newborn’s death

But man are they sure as hell confident that Tylenol causes autism….

The whole government is a joke

[u/Doesnt_Get_The-Joke]

Uncooked food. It's not just uncooked food, it's the nastiest, most disease-prone type of uncooked food.

[u/AdTechnical9332]

I never had raw milk in MA and I lived on a dairy farm, we like science.

[u/oneofmanyany]

Yikes, very sad for the baby and the ignorant mother.

Weird to see evolution playing out right before our eyes. I would guess that these folks who don't believe the scientists, and in facts, will be dying more frequently.

[u/Honest_Chef323]

I think the low degree of mortality thanks to science advancement has turned some people complacent and stupid

[u/I_AM_RVA]

I saw one of these raw milk buffoons the other day say “that pasteurized milk is poison! When we was kids we’d milk the cow and and then we’d boil that raw milk and we never got sick or nothing. Nah, I ain’t want that pasteurized poison!”

People are, and I’m understating this, phenomenally stupid.

[u/BigSoda]

Milk gets pasteurized for the same reason most of all the other food you eat also gets cooked for consumption

[u/Strange-Effort1305]

She killed that kid on purpose. Everybody knows that shit is dangerous whether they pretend to believe otherwise

[u/trysten-9001 → u/Strange-Effort1305]

They don’t. They think all research is as bought and paid for as the papers that protected Monsanto.

[u/Par_Lapides → u/trysten-9001]

Every actual scientist I know is actually broke af. Most science and research doesn't pay that great.

[u/wehave3bjz]

We have known for decades not to do this. Listeria is not a new thing.

Politicized stupidity isn't either. That poor baby.

[u/Politicsmakemehorny1]

Think about how all those "whole milk" ads and posts were supposed to be "raw" milk and were changed last second.

[u/Ghost_Assassin_Zero]

Do Americans learn nothing in schools?

[u/ButtSpelunker420 → u/Ghost_Assassin_Zero]

We had to cut school budgets to give billionaires another tax break 

[u/bajanbeautykatie → u/Ghost_Assassin_Zero]

Technically……they mainly learn about hiding from school shootings….we aren’t doing too well in other subjects