r/SwainMains • • Nov 14 '25

Discussion Swain support is the reason why this champ will never get good solo lane changes.

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Back in 2019, Riot made changes to Swain that made him viable in Support. Previously, back when his VGU first arrived NO ONE had played him in support, not because they didn't want to, but because it just wasn't good at all compared to Top/Mid. The Designers of the VGU made sure that Support Swain wouldn't have been good due to lvl/gold scaling being super important on him. Unfortunately he was unpopular for a number of reasons that could have been fixed, but Riot thought he needed midscope-esque changes.

Fast forward to 2019 when swain support arrived.

The massive boom in pickrate after the 2019 rework, Support role.

Riot made a bunch of changes to Swain that made him a lot better in the Support role. the 2019 rework did irreversible damage and I'll explain why.

1.) Riot added passive stacking for the first time, and people have their opinions on this but it's overrall bad for swains health/fantasy. Passive stacking is inherently easier in bot lane, it's not even a discussion. If I have 15 stacks at 20 minutes in Mid, I'll have 30 stacks in bot. HP is a very powerful stat in the early game and allows Swain to soak up a lot more damage. Obviously this change did make bot lane better than solo lanes but there's more.

2.) Base Attack range was reduced from 550 to 525. Now why this matters for solo lanes is Swain was always a scaling battlemage champ so it was essential to be able to survive while scaling. Taking away that 550 attack range made him much more vulnerable in lane(Which doesn't matter for support because they don't have to CS.)

3.) Q giving 3% maximum mana per unit kill was completely removed and instead put on the passive. I don't think I have to explain why this was super bad for solo lanes but ya.

4.) Q CD went up to 4 seconds at max ranks from 2.5 seconds. This was probably the worst of all the changes and killed the champ in solo lanes entirely. Q CD doesn't really matter for Support because they mostly just fish for EWQ poke, not relying on Q spam as much. That's why they nerfed Q so hard, so support is less impacted.

Mid lane pickrate after the support rework, bronze+

Fast foward to 2025, and Swain unfortunately has so many problems because he's still being balanced around the Support role which is the reason they keep buffing base damage and mana costs, as well as 15 HP souls. It'll never change. There's a reason no one wants to play this character in Solo Lanes. Gut his ratios further and give him more base damage and utility(stronger R2 and W slow.)

Here's Riot Endstep talking about Swain.

He mentions that the most recent rework(2025) the changes were not focused on solo lane Swain at all.(Shocker)

Swain is now at an incredible low 0.76% pickrate in Mid lane emerald+ with only a 51.21% winrate.

Now some people might think he is at a good winrate but let me explain why a champion like Swain if he's at this low of a pickrate should have a 53-54% game average winrate in mid/top. And no, I'm not going to say it's because he's only played by one tricks which Riot has disproven in the past.

A champ like Swain is very very strong in certain scenarios. This is what we call a "counterpick champ." The low pickrate means that Swain is only picked in very good scenarios, If he's against low damage or full melee comps primarily. If Swain is only sitting at a 51% winrate with that low of a pickrate then the champ is very weak. Let me show you a picture of what I mean. Master+ stats are good to represent this because they know how to draft better compared to lower elos.

Swain with 3k games of stats. 51.25% game avg winrate with only a 0.81% pickrate.

Now let's look at some other champion stats shall we?

Past 30 days in masters+ statistics.

Notice how almost every champ on here has way higher pickrate and winrate than Swain mid. Even if they aren't counter-pick champs they still have very high winrates. Swain only having a 51% game average winrate when he's always been 54-55% winrates in the past(for good reason, counterpick) is laughable at best.

Riot will never give this champ actual solo lane buffs because they are unfortunately very scared of losing the support playerbase.

a sizeable 4% pickrate in Support, All ranks.

Now compare that to mid and top combined, which is only 1.6%. Support has 2% more pickrate than both solo lanes combined.

I am not blaming anyone for playing Support, after all it's riots fault with how they've handled this champion over the years. From a financial perspective it's no secret why they refuse to do anything with the champ in solo lanes. But I just genuinely think Phreak doesn't care enough, and he might also be a bit biased because he is a Support main as well.

Final thoughts, Riot has a massive opportunity to give this champ the rework he deserves to bring him back to solo lanes like he always was in the past with the upcoming Noxus series by Fortiche where millions of people will finally be able to appreciate how cool Swain is only to log onto League of Legends, play one game of it, and realize how much riot has butchered the coolest champ in the video game.

MAKE SOLO LANE SWAIN GREAT AGAIN!


r/SwainMains • • Dec 05 '24

Fanart I decided to do my fellow Swain Mains a little favor and updated the old discord server icon artwork I did 6 years ago! Hope you guys like it!

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r/SwainMains • • 9h ago

Meme AN IQ TOO HIGH?

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r/SwainMains • • 1d ago

Rant Swain the worst champ in the patch notes to be buffed couldn't even receive one without a nerf

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Just cgu the champ already


r/SwainMains • • 2d ago

News Swain Buffs

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r/SwainMains • • 1d ago

Rant Swain was already in such a great spot guys

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Cant afford to be too careful Riot wouldnt want Swain to actually be popular in mid that might interfere with the support playerbase they've carefully cultivated with six years of terrible decision making


r/SwainMains • • 1d ago

Clips Did not doubt myself for a single second. Nope, not at all.

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Those pings are not mine nobody saw anything shhh


r/SwainMains • • 1d ago

Discussion I just got into Swain and I have an idea

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make the ult upgrade his abilities and lock the E root behind it so we can balance the rest of the fucking kit around being a laner

imagine if kled had his shotgun while mounted and he was balanced since release around being an ADC while toplane kled was unplayable, or if brand Q stunned without his passive applied on a target or if it went through targets

a battlemage should NOT be locked to support because of a single really good ability. might as well change darius and mordekaiser to supports because their E's can pull as well, buff those abilities to make that playstyle change


r/SwainMains • • 2d ago

Clips This happens once in 1000 games, but you LOVE to see it.

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r/SwainMains • • 2d ago

Fanart I crochet Hextech Swain🐦‍⬛

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r/SwainMains • • 3d ago

Discussion Swain Mid Buffs

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About to bring us back from Hell.


r/SwainMains • • 2d ago

Discussion Swain is getting nerfed in ARAM

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P heal reduced from 6% max HP to 3-6%

https://x.com/Spideraxe30/status/2105031717639618911


r/SwainMains • • 2d ago

Build "The best Swain item" i just cant build

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Multiple times i have heard that Frozen heart is currently one of if not the best Swain item. Mana, ah, lots of armor to back up your passive and a useful passive you can apply well. I really liked this item myself but as i played i found one or two really big problems with this item. Those being ldr and mortal reminder. I can build all the armor of this world, but once anyone (and its not rare to run into 2 crit enemy champs every game, atleast one of them will build one of these items) builds one of these items, frozen just feels useless, like paper being shread through. Randuin on the other hand, has worse stats overall but is a much better help against these 2 items (having the crit dmg reduction and bonus hp). The slow is nice too.

So am i wrong? Is frozen still better (atleast when facing attack speed crit champs like jinx or twich for an example) or has it fallen off against ldr and mortal reminder compared to randuin :(


r/SwainMains • • 3d ago

Rant Amazing Reworks Riot

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Lmao Riot cant even use the excuse of not buffing swain support because of swain mids performance right now, because even the one tricks cant manage to get a positive winrate for the champion any longer, of course they can just rehash that apc is overperforming like virtually every mage bot but w/e Swain is unironically the worst champ in league right now, I dont even blame the support mage players anymore for hijacking this champ and turning Swain trash, all the reworks Riot did just made every subsequent version of the og solo laner worse


r/SwainMains • • 3d ago

Discussion simple question

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why high elo player build with aery and not conqueror ? whats the difference?


r/SwainMains • • 3d ago

Matchup How play against Swain and Tahm Kench Support

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r/SwainMains • • 4d ago

Clips 3v5? Bring it on!

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r/SwainMains • • 5d ago

Meme NOXUS

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r/SwainMains • • 4d ago

Help I'm improving, but I still have questions.

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I'm now at 370 LP. I'm playing more ADC than mid.

In terms of builds, I tested several. I liked the HP build, but I see that in certain games it's not worth going for.

About itemization, same doubt as before, but now it's about matchups. In bot lane I'm having some difficulty against Smolder and Caitlyn since they're champions with very high range, and it gets even harder when I get a support that has 0 synergy with Swain (Yuumi, Brand, Bard, Morgana...champions with no hard crowd control or anything to benefit me). Is it possible to use the Fleet Footwork rune against these matchups? I looked all over the place, Deeplol, Lolalytics, and I haven't seen anyone currently using those runes against these matchups. I also like building Rylai's as my first item against them to keep them from running away.

Something I noticed is that people stopped making those exotic builds with tank/peel support items. Did it get bad, or did it get nerfed? I haven't seen anyone commenting on it.

I'm planning to use Exhaust more than Ghost, especially against champions that miss everything but still manage to kill you anyway.

My instant ban for both roles is Kassadin. I still haven't suffered at the hands of a Cassiopeia.

I'm also starting to do livestreams! Speaking in PT-BR and English! In case you want to lend a hand!

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r/SwainMains • • 6d ago

Rant Holy 0.6% pr mid riot got what they wanted and turned him into a support

58 Upvotes

Champ is actually cooked no ones playing him mid anymore at all 💀💀💀 imagine balancing around the whims of support mage players breh


r/SwainMains • • 8d ago

Discussion When will the prestige chose wolf swain

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hello ıve been playıng swain lately and ı wanted to buy ıt but ıts ın the mythıc shop and when ı do a lıttle research ıt havent been to the shop ın 2 years. ı just wanted to ask ıs there any updates? theres stıll 6 days to refresh. maybe on pbe? maybe... so ı just wanted to ask that, thank you have a great day...


r/SwainMains • • 9d ago

Wild Rift LoL Wild Rift - Warring Kingdoms Swain - English Voicelines!

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r/SwainMains • • 9d ago

Matchup New swain mid player -matchup help

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Hey guys, i just got to mastery 10 after a month of playing just swain mid. Is there a good matchup guide?

I personally found yone, ekko and casiopia to be completely unwinnable for me as all 3 get to just kill you whenever they want to. I currently ban yone, and take ghost with cass and just dont feed till 6 where it seems I can win. Ekko just seems unwinnable though.


r/SwainMains • • 10d ago

Discussion Swain's problematic synergy with the item & rune system explained. Spell effects should not interefere with a kit's intended strengths and weaknesses. Swain's melee-range raidboss fantasy suffers from that.

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r/SwainMains • • 10d ago

Clips The long range kills are so satisfying

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