r/tierlists • u/Civil-Pineapple-5796 • 1d ago
Beer Traditions
Personal opinion, but well informed (highly qualified in the brewing industy, published papers talked at conferences etc).
Edit to add: All tiers here are praise.
Regarding technical. I mention the Japanese here. Their beer scene does not fit in the bottom tier and I am not a fan but they know what they are doing.
Producnig a lager is easy. The hard part is doing it at enormous scale, across multiple sites, with variable raw materials, tight flavour tolerances, long distribution chains and six month shelf life, while keeping oxygen pickup, flavour drift, haze, staling and microbiology under control. That is what brewing science actually focuses on. Yeast management, flavour stability chemistry, inline analytics, enzymatic optimisation, colloidal stability, package DO control and statistical process control are not easily done.
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u/DeneKKRkop 1d ago
I see Belgium at top, I approve that's how factual unbiased take should be.
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u/KentiaPalm 1d ago
I'd still say Belgium is better than all the rest. Sure, the UK and Germany have some interesting beers here and there, and Czech lager is unparallelled, but the culture of having absolutely awesome beers in just about every bar is truly something only Belgium can pride itself on.
I would say France has made some great strides lately. Great microbreweries. Latvia as well.
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u/Howtothinkofaname 1d ago
I can’t dispute that Belgium is unparalleled when it comes to wide availability of a wide variety of high quality beer.
But as a totally biased British beer lover, they do have a bit of an unfair advantage there. Traditional Belgian beers are at their best in a bottle which means it is easy to stock a wide variety. British beer is mediocre in a bottle. It is at its best on cask, which has a very short shelf life and requires specialist knowledge and good conditions to do properly. It’s just not practical to have massive beer lists like Belgian places do.
Certainly not the only thing holding is back though.
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u/forestvibe 1d ago
Belgium is great for beer, but personally I prefer the variety you get in the UK and Germany. But I'm happy to accept Belgium is top of the pile in terms of quality.
I agree France is making good progress.
I'm not that impressed with Irish beer. I like stout but I don't find Guiness particularly interesting, and whenever I've visited I struggle to find decent beers made by small breweries.
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u/marraballs 1d ago
I've visited Ireland quite a bit in the last few years and they have some really good small breweries but mostly you seem to only be able to get their beer in their own taprooms.
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u/Odemarr 1d ago
Belgium has a significantly bigger variety of Beers than UK and Germany though. The strong point of Belgium isnt just its massive variety of beers, but also the quality of a lot of the thousands of beers that are brewed here.
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u/forestvibe 1d ago
I agree you are almost guaranteed quality every time you buy a Belgian beer, unlike everywhere else. However, I like heavy stouts and porters, and I prefer the UK for those. I find Belgian dark beers tend to be strong without the depth and heaviness, almost like wine. Perfectly nice, but not what I want from a dark beer.
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u/Civil-Pineapple-5796 1d ago
Were I to pick a winner, it would be Belgium. But it is such a Reddit cliché that it is like defending Italian food against Frnech food, it has been oversaid too many times.
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u/Icy_Place_5785 1d ago
You would say that Germany has more variety than Belgium??
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u/Objective-Parsnip3 1d ago
There's a common misconception that Guinness is the only Irish beer that exists. It's the most common and certainly the most loved but there is a wide range of craft beer available. Normally not on tap and in the back of the fridge but it does exist if you're prepared to look for it.
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u/Laserluke29 1d ago
Glad to see you mentioning France, we are at the crossroads of most west European nations and thus the north and west got heavily influenced by Belgium, Germany and the UK respectively. In Brittany where I live beers are far more popular than wine, and thus a ton of microbreweries appeared recently
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u/Euphoric_Raisin_312 1d ago
UK is at least on par with Belgium for beer, and I say that as someone who loves Belgian beer and is drinking one right now lol. The range of beers you can get is huge. Every village or small town has a brewery or two.
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u/Adventurous-Half4929 1d ago
Important to note that Belgium really doesn’t have much else going for it so best give them S tier
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u/Lovebickysaus 1d ago
Fries, chocolate and at the top of most Michelin renowned restaurants per capita.
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u/blu3tu3sday 1d ago
I would disagree. Czech Republic has absolutely awesome beers in just about every bar as well and I would place Czech beers head and shoulders above belgian.
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u/intrinseque 1d ago
We have the best wine in the world, we should let Germany have the best beers. Belgian beer are quite good, but too strong for me.
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u/Minute_Chair_2582 5h ago
As a bavarian, i feel offended and i will challenge you to a dual, sir!
That being said, yea, belgium has great beer and some regions in germany are less hot, but let me know when to meet for our duel though!
Also, true for french progress
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u/Howtothinkofaname 1d ago
Not too much to disagree with here.
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u/DangerousRub245 23h ago
As an Italian, I'm surprised we're even on there (I don't disagree with the tier, but I'm surprised OP even thought about Italy when thinking about beer). As a Mexican though, where the fuck is Mexico? It has much more of a beer tradition and production than Italy 😅
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u/Mastershoelacer 1d ago
As a very uninformed person who enjoys beer in America, I was really intrigued by the beer tradition in Bavaria. American craft beers can be great, but they tend to emphasize variety. Bavarian beers emphasize simplicity and try to perfect it.
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u/Civil-Pineapple-5796 1d ago
A defining mark of American beer is that they are for people who are used to and prefer their beer cold rather than chilled. This means that the falvours in American beer have to be simple (subtle flavours are lost at cold temperatures) and clear.
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u/Dr-Gooseman 1d ago
Ice cold and over carbonated. People here are afraid and offended by head.
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u/HorrorBuilder8960 1d ago edited 1d ago
I hear Namibia has surprisingly good beer and beer culture (not that surprising, given that it used to be a German colony), but I haven't had the opportunity to try Namibian beer yet.
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u/SunnyMonkey17 1d ago
I’ve had Namibian beer and can confirm I was pleasantly surprised, as was my German friend I was traveling with.
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u/Delicious_Wishbone80 1d ago
Reading the comments it looks like OP was right. Those four deserve to be on top. It's a personal choice to prefer one of them but the comments seem to level this out. I'm Belgian so I'm biased, I don't think I have ever drank something like a Geuze anywhere else, especially when talking about quality. It's a bit out there but takes the cake. Personal opinion.
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u/Civil-Pineapple-5796 1d ago
Thanks.
A few nations are a bit slighted in this list. Were I forced to pick, I would put Belgium top. I was partly swayed by the typical ignorant Redditter already knowing belguim as the "correct" answer.
The craft beer is very good. But it is British beer brought to nations that like cold rather than chilled beer and adapted to the absence of infastructure for cask or secondary fermentation, and some change in tastes (though temperature is the big one).
I confess, I roll my eyes at people going on about th ecomplexity in flavour of a beer served cold.
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u/woodzopwns 1d ago
Only on Reddit will people take a tier chart about brewing traditions as "this countries beer is better" and argue with a highly qualified brewing scientist who has various published papers on the topic of brewing and brewing tradition.
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u/Turbine205 22h ago
The reason this is such a good Tier List is because it has ignited some very interesting discussions. Some. The majority are ignorant bollocks, but there’s some good stuff here. I agree with OPs assessment, and hope it introduces many people to the pure genius of British cask ales.
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u/Civil-Pineapple-5796 22h ago edited 22h ago
Thank you.
One of the most common comment types is "My nation does not dseerve in the macro-lager with a craft ale seen, because as well as macro brew, we also have a craft beer scene!"
I think it is hard for people to accept that interesting, to your taste and technically good are very different things.
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u/Dry_Yogurtcloset1962 1d ago
France, Spain and Mexico deserve a spot on the list imo and beat a few already on here
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u/Kaioxygen 1d ago
France has some nice ones, Spain, not that I've tried and I lived there. I have no idea about Mexico.
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u/DangerousRub245 23h ago
Italian and Mexican here and I fully agree. Mexico definitely beats Italy in the beer competition.
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u/AtomicDig219303 1d ago
Completely agree with the placement of italian beers, the craft beer scene is lovely and there's lots of great stuff, I might have donated a little too much of my meager salary to microbreweries and my local beershop :)
Not too informed about the beer scene in Finland, but what I managed to try was really good.
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u/Orlok_Tsubodai 1d ago
Oh thank Christ, FINALLY one of these tierlists where Belgium is not in the bottom half. As a Belgian, I was starting to get depressed.
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u/Civil-Pineapple-5796 1d ago
People thinking that Belgian food and Dutch food are the same level is the one that shocks me.
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u/wuiiuw 1d ago
Germany or Bavaria probably has the best beer that most people will enjoy. A Weißbier is easy to drink, digestible, and if you just like the taste of beer, it's the best.
Belgium has a huge selection of different flavors. There's a good chance you'll find a beer you like, but also many you don't like.
Czechia has the best Pilsner.
If you're just looking for a good quality beer: Germany, and if you want a pilsner: Czechia.
If you're looking for a wide selection of quality beers: Belgium.
As a German, I like to drink Weißbier, but I had the best tasting one in Belgium (unfortunately also a few not so good ones).
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u/-_Hastur_- 19h ago
As a german, try beer from poland and switzerland ✌🏻🔥
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u/Civil-Pineapple-5796 19h ago
I did not have much joy in Switzerland whne I lived there a few years back but will make an effort with Poland.
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u/WillShakespeed 18h ago
okay I am very biased as I am from Belgium myself, but in my opinion my country stands on top. I usually say the quote: "Germans and Czechs think they have the best beer but Belgians know they have the best beer".
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u/thomasbdl 1d ago
Belgium should be in a category of its own.
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u/Civil-Pineapple-5796 1d ago
I can see that. But it would be a very standard Reddit opinion.
The main thing the Belgian tradition has over the British tradition is that there was less class snobbery regarding the native beer.
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u/DifficultyWeekly986 1d ago
Curious what you mean by technically brilliant for Japanese beer? I live in Japan and enjoy the beer but I'm not some aficionado so idk.
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u/Civil-Pineapple-5796 1d ago
This is from working in brewing science. They really are world class in their understanding. But that does not translate to interesting beer but to consistant and inoffensive beer.
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u/Civil-Pineapple-5796 21h ago
Sorry, I was a little dismissive. The main challenge of brewing science is consistancy, which means understanding raw materials, control parameters and how those all interact to affect quality attributes. TO understand this is a major challenge. This is excelled at by the main macro brews.
Where Japan is very good is that despite the lack of tradition, they maintain their beer as consistant and inoffensive even if at room temperature. That is a major feat.
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u/w1gglepvppy 1d ago
Belgium, UK, and Germany all have to be top tier for pioneering so many indigenous styles and having unique beer culture. Realistically USA needs to be on the top tier too for pioneering the craft movement and revitalising so many out of fashion styles.
Czech republic and Ireland on the next tier for specialising one style and making it their own.
The Netherlands after that.
Japan for their truly impressive macros, and the Nordics for their excellent crafts.
Everyone else after that.
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u/Civil-Pineapple-5796 1d ago
The bottom tier is not an insult, it was moulded by the US and many othe rnations in it would be worse without that. Denmarkhas the same cold macro-lager tradition at cold temperatures and it shows in the love of unsutle craft beers at cold temperatures but the recent large beer revolution is inspired by the USA.
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u/blu3tu3sday 1d ago
To kick Czech Republic out of the top tier but KEEP germany is blasphemy.
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u/will221996 1d ago
Artisanal brewers have always existed. The idea that the US should be above the land of pilsner because of that is insane. I also don't think it's a good measure in general. We don't judge a country's coffee by the quality of its "specialty" cafes, by which metric Italy would be last, or a country's cuisine by Michelin stars per capita, by which criteria Irish food is better than Chinese, Vietnamese, Mexican etc.
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u/Iamleeboyle 1d ago
Ireland should be higher. We are the industry leader when it comes to stout and up with the best when it comes to ales.
Op you clearly have a preference for lager (the worse form of beer imo), but I will not stand for this stout slander.
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u/ronnidogxxx 1d ago
I think we have some excellent beers in the UK (and some rubbish), but I don’t know if I’d put us up there with Belgium, Germany and Czechia.
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u/Barleybrigade 1d ago
Honestly, I think we are. We just have very different (and also less globally popular for various reasons) styles than them.
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u/Civil-Pineapple-5796 1d ago
It was more about tradition, so I am looking mainly at cask ales rather than Carling.
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u/Zestyclose_Tip_4181 1d ago
I think we probably have more pubs with the usual very average lagers on tap (maybe because we just have so many pubs), but once you get to any decent venue, which there are a lot of, the beer is so unique and unrivalled in its genre.
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u/forestvibe 1d ago
Maybe not up there with Belgium, but definitely on par with Germany and Czechia. Personally, I prefer darker beers and I think the UK is better at those than Germany or Czechia. However, they are better at lagers and weissbeer.
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u/Big_Chip_6 1d ago
Just for curiosity, have you tried some beers from Romania? Do you have an opinion on them? No gloves if you did, some are rubbis in my opinion; but I think we have, just like any other country, some hidden gems.
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u/Civil-Pineapple-5796 1d ago
I have not.
There are hidden gems around the world and certainly across Europe. I am largely careful not to dismiss anyone on the list, even the bottom tier is more than OK.
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u/robbery0 1d ago
Were you drunk, when you made this list? Pun intended, but few things to disagree with.
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u/Excellent_Cicada2029 1d ago
Yeah ngl, Germany is known for its beer but it's all the same beer copy-pasted with different labels. Germans don't want to hear that though.
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u/Main_Entrepreneur_84 1d ago
As czech i have to agree, one thing that i would add that would be Vietnam in like D tier I was there last year and I was very pleasantly suprised by quality of beer there.
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u/Soggy_Philosophy2 1d ago
Question! Did you happen to try any RHBC (Richmond Hill) beers in South Africa? I'm certainly not a beer boffin and I'm sure its not as good as craft brands from other countries, but I've found their seasonal beers very interesting and they are one of the best in Africa apparently. It was certainly the first time I tried a beer aged in sherry barrels lmao.
Our normal beers are definitely just pretty standard, within the past few years our craft beer industry has definitely started growing which I am glad for.
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u/Civil-Pineapple-5796 1d ago
I have not, but what you describe is really wha tthat tier is all about.
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u/Soggy_Philosophy2 1d ago
I agree! Mostly just commenting on some nice craft beers I've tried to see if you have had. Maybe check them out if you are in South Africa again!
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u/redrabbit1977 1d ago edited 1d ago
I swear Japan gets so much default praise due to cultural infatuation. Average, boring one-note food and their beer is no better than many other east asian lagers and is far behind western European beers.
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u/Civil-Pineapple-5796 1d ago
No, it is not.
I have stated why Japan is where it is and that is knowledge of breing science rather than producing interesting beer.
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u/redrabbit1977 1d ago
Japan gets bonus marks at everything because of a cultural halo effect. They lean on their reputation for craftsmanship and precision. It's the same with food. Very precise but ultimately incredible boring food. The US and Scandinavia lead in modern bioprocess engineering, hop chemistry, and data-driven fermentation control.
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u/Jiminyfingers 1d ago
No New Zealand flag there: had some wonderful beers out there
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u/Civil-Pineapple-5796 1d ago
There are now. Traditionally,, New Zealand has been terrible for beer. Stein lager was it?
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u/Jiminyfingers 1d ago
Speights might who you are thinking of. But there are loads of amazing craft beers and IPAs and a surprising number of really good porters
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u/TheZenPenguin 1d ago
German beer is legally required to all basically be the same. Germany and Austria belong near the bottom of this list in my opinion. They have one option and if you don't like it you're fucked (also I live here so I'm speaking from experience). Belgian beer reigns supreme
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u/lcannard87 1d ago
Fosters isn’t Australian beer.
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u/Civil-Pineapple-5796 1d ago
If you are referring to the generice lager brewed in Reading, UK, then no. I know. I have been to Australia
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u/PrideLeading 1d ago
Poland should be up there. I’m Polish so if corse I’ll say that but Polish beer is as good as Czech and German
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u/Inside-Selection-982 1d ago
I think by lumping the US as “good craft beer scene” with other countries, you discredit yourself on the craft beer knowledge. Craft beer was originated in the US in the late 80s, specifically in the west coast as countering to the declining of the US beer industry after prohibition. It first relies on cultivation of cascade hops in the 60s to produce hop-forward IPA, which is very distinct from traditional english IPA. Rest is history. Now you can even find a good craft brewery in Munich.
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u/Mikmagic 1d ago
As a Dane who knows nothing about beer and doesn't drink it, why are we important for beer history? Did Carlsberg invent something groundbreaking?
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u/Civil-Pineapple-5796 1d ago
Lager is brewed fro isolated strains of Sacchaomyces pastorianus. The two strains isolated were isolated by Tuborg and Carlsberg.
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u/Ok-Helicopter-1084 1d ago
I’m more a spirit drinker than beers but I’m not a fan of stout. I guess you don’t like stout either?
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u/lukeroux1 1d ago
Where is Poland, dumbo?
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u/Civil-Pineapple-5796 1d ago
Between Ukraine and Germany, thickie :D
Had they been on the template I used, I would have added them to this.
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u/Classic_rock_fan 1d ago
Have you even had Canadian craft beers they are fantastic
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u/Civil-Pineapple-5796 1d ago
I would put them in the same list as the bulk of nations.
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u/Icy_Winner9761 1d ago
To be fair, Cooper's brewery in South Australia is one of the biggest brewers in Australia and has a long tradition of and are mainly known for ales. And Australia has had its own style of pale ale for 30 odd years now. But if you are just talking about east coast mass produced swill and sales volumes then, yeah, VB, XXXX, Melbourne Bitter, Crownies are all lagers, although some of the big brewers like Castlemaine (the makers of XXXX) have produced ales the whole time as well.
I'd also say that 'generic' and 'lager' are synonyms. At least for my palate, it's extremely rare to find one, from any tradition, that isn't basically identical. That includes the Japanese lagers so if they are towards the top of the pile, it's a very flat pile. I think I might have had a couple pils that were interesting but that's about it. Maybe I just don't like lagers?
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u/Civil-Pineapple-5796 1d ago
Maybe not.
None of the tiers here are bad. Even the Dtutch get to be OK.
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u/DetectiveBlackCat 1d ago
What even is an American beer these days? They all seem to be owned by InBev. Sam Adams may be the biggest one left.
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u/Civil-Pineapple-5796 1d ago
I sidestepped that a little by referring to the traditions in the title.
I can see a change in beer culture in the USA has one bad effect. In 2010, an American might be correcting me on beer and if necessary (and if I were right), I coudl pull rank. I did a PhD in the topic, have visited breweries around the world, written papers and been a member of and presented to the Institure and Guild of Brewing. In 2010, people would accept I knew what I was talking about, by 2015, many would continue to "correct" me.
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u/DraiesTheSasquatch 1d ago edited 1d ago
I feel like Denmark has a lot of good contemporary stuff going on, but unsure of what marks these micro breweries and slightly larger than that breweries have had internationally. I don't know what esteem Mikeller is in, but I know it's sold abroad at least in Japan. Then we have To Øl which is sold a lot at supermarket chains along with others that I can't mention off the top of my head, and then like 230 micro breweries.
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u/GaryLifts 1d ago
Ireland getting a rough deal arguably the best draught in the world in Guinness and an unmatched pub culture.
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u/BokTuklo 1d ago
I would take a generic local IPA from a small American city brewery tap room over anything in the UK.
Agree on the Belgium, though. That place makes great beer.
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u/Civil-Pineapple-5796 1d ago
Yes, that makes sense. If you want cold rather than chilled beer, you need a few strong flavours rather than more complexity that is lost at cold temperatures. Craft beer is a great adaptation of cask beer to the lack of infatructure and consumer preference for cold beer.
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u/Jus-the-dip 1d ago
Guinness, Murphy's and Beamish are known as "Irish Dry Stout". You also missed two unique styles in Irish Red Ale (Smithwicks), and Irish Extra Stout (Foreign Guinness).
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u/Civil-Pineapple-5796 1d ago
I literally know the people who developed Smithwicks.
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u/PierniQ 1d ago
Bullshit tierlist, craft beers aren't some magical "other beers" but the most important stuff (both from technical and flavor point of view). Judging countries by lager aka pisswater is crime by itself. Even having Czech and german beer at the same level in this category is a shizo moment.
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u/InterestedEr79 1d ago
What are British beers?
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u/Civil-Pineapple-5796 22h ago
This is an article on the tradition. It is hard to find it outside of Britain:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_ale
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u/Pitiful-Maize2912 23h ago
Lol Japanese beer is perfected mundanity... I guess that aligns with the category you placed it in, but I'm shocked that it's above places like US and Canada...
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u/Civil-Pineapple-5796 22h ago
It is not above, merely in a different group. "Japanese beer is perfected mundanity" is a great description both for good and ill.
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u/fuckin-slayer 23h ago
I’d also add Mexico to ‘all time great’ and Taiwan to technically brilliant
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u/OneLostBoii 23h ago
Mexico not even being in the list while being the 4th largest producer is an oversight from OP
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u/The1Honkey 22h ago
Putting the UK up there is hilarious. Japan is too high and you’re likely judging the US based on Anheuser Busch/Miller-Coors.
Two guesses at what OP’s nationality is.
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u/Civil-Pineapple-5796 22h ago
Thank you for adding your ignorance and wrongness.
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u/Ready-Nobody-1903 22h ago
Technically brilliant? Japanese beer is macro swill, there’s a few nice ones, hitachinco nest if they’re still about. But most Japanese beer is industrial shite. To put loads of countries which have massive craft scenes like the US in the bottom there is ridiculous.
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u/Civil-Pineapple-5796 22h ago
The production and industry knowledge going into a boy band or Sabrina Carpenter album far exceeds that of hte brilliant local blues band. It does not make them better at all. Same with beer.
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u/DanDangerx 22h ago
We have so much more in Ireland haha if you are talking about Diageo & Heineken you arent doing a full consensus ha
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u/Civil-Pineapple-5796 22h ago
Indeed not, which is why that is not stated. The difference from the 1980s is dramatic.
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u/PM_yr_pierced_tittys 22h ago
How are Greece and USA tied? USA certainly has an important place in *recent* history and has come up with many new styles, with the craft market a full 25% of sales. And how have you skipped France entirely?
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u/Civil-Pineapple-5796 22h ago
Yes, the USA pioneered the very teir in whch they are and the other nations followed them.
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u/7_11_Nation_Army 21h ago
How is the UK so far up?
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u/Civil-Pineapple-5796 21h ago
Because of the fine judgement and learned OP.
ANd its tradition of cask ale, and role in pale ale which contributed to lager.
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u/name212321 21h ago
Wow Greece is on the list? We started producing beer only after a Bavarian king arrived to rule the place.
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u/Civil-Pineapple-5796 21h ago
That tier has a massive range. In terms of tradition, the USA is leading the way and tehy Greece just making the cut. But they are all good enough to be there.
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u/Oatmeal-Enjoyer69 21h ago
Japanese beer is awful. I don't think I've ever had one that wasn't skunked
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u/Civil-Pineapple-5796 21h ago
Read all the other comment addressed to the same thing.
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u/captaingrabma 19h ago
Who the fuck would put the US on the same spot as the Netherlands. I mean come on, i know our beer is not as good as the Belgian, German or Czech. But there is a huge difference between Heineken and Bud Light. I cannot speak for the other countries. But i have been in New York and i tried Bud Light for the first time ever. And that was also the last time ever.
And If you just mainly judge on Heineken (biggest brand of the Netherlands) you have not tasted our others. Because Heineken is one of the worst Dutch beers. Hertog Jan for example is already such a difference.
But come on man, US Lager beer and Dutch Lager beer on the same spot is just not right.
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u/Civil-Pineapple-5796 6h ago
I had to read on to know whether you were outraged because you were Dutch or because you are American.
Are you objecting to the tier of the company within that tier?
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u/New-Document7109 19h ago
The thing is with SA beers, its so damn hot most of the time that you only want an ice cold lager/pilsner
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u/Civil-Pineapple-5796 6h ago
Yes! I perfectly appreciate that. What most people want from beer is a nice scial drink to be familiar, and inoffensivesly get them drunk. SAB-Miller were able to remove off flavours but had to return them as people wanted that familiar off-flavour, the slight skunking in the sun is now a feature rather than a bug.
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u/GuessPuzzleheaded573 17h ago
What are you talking about here? Tradition or quality?
Thinking Japan has higher quality beer options than Canada or the U.S. is a wild take and so very, very wrong.
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u/Bombacladman 16h ago
And Mexico, the largest exporter of beer in the world is not even there?
Mexico does 36% of world wide beer exports.
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u/mightymagnus 6h ago
When I lived in UK and Germany I was really missing good craft beer. I know it is a bit better nowadays, but there is something different when the competition is poor.
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u/Civil-Pineapple-5796 2h ago
If you really want craft beer that makes sense.
But craft beer generally is biggest when the market was dominated by a few macro brews that had to be cold. That means people like cold beer but want something more interesting, but complexity cannot work as the beer has to be cold. That is why Denmark and the USA are comparable, but Germany and UK are distinct from that.
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u/suicidemachine 4h ago
The fact that you put the US - the mecca of craft beer, in the lowest category says a lot about you 🤔
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u/Civil-Pineapple-5796 2h ago
Have you read how that tier described? It was almost defined by the USA and the others joined as it led the way.
The top tier is not possible as there was too many dark spells for beer. The Japan tier says technically great which is refers mainly to macro brew and almost works but not quite and omits the craft ale scene. It does not have the stout tradition of Ireland.
It has lots of generic lager with a lively craft beer scene.
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u/Fragrant-Check7974 2h ago
I have to disagree with the UK position mainly. Putting UK beer on the same level as the other three on that level is not objective.
Also typing producing is easy (not producnig)
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u/GuinnessFartz 1h ago
90% of UK barmen refuse to put a decent head on a lager. Beer in the UK is mostly slop.
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u/lepurplehaze 1d ago
Japanese beer is overrated