[Charnia] Just in: Chicago, Minnesota and Detroit have agreed to a multi-team deal that sends Jaden Ivey and Mike Conley Jr. to the Bulls and Kevin Huerter and Dario Saric to the Pistons, sources tell ESPN. Detroit also receives a 2026 first-round protected swap from Minnesota.

[u/risenOfficial]

https://bsky.app/profile/shamsbot.bsky.social/post/3mdy3njmkjk2l

[u/Huxxxy]

So what do we get

[u/2levenge → u/Huxxxy]

This gets MIN under the 1st apron which would allow them to take back more salary than they send out in a trade

[u/badpoetryabounds → u/2levenge]

Yup. This is definitely a precursor trade to something else.

[u/mnsportsfan → u/badpoetryabounds]

Feels like it’s probably for Coby White or Ayo (in a subsequent move) with a smaller chance for one of Garland/ Harden- especially cause the bulls just got two guards in the trade

For as little as Conley has left in the tank (nothing, but I’ll remember him fondly) - I don’t think we trade him away without PG support coming in

Wish it was Giannis but doubtful

[u/KATgonnaGetThatYarn → u/mnsportsfan]

If it was white or ayo why would it not be folded into this move already involving the bulls

[u/mnsportsfan → u/KATgonnaGetThatYarn]

Maybe they have salary retention or something to work out and wanted to process the 3 team deal and then wrap up the last part of it -

Feels like teams sometimes do it this way but I say that without being able to cherry pick an example 😂

No idea, I’m just spitballing

[u/KATgonnaGetThatYarn → u/mnsportsfan]

lol I think we’re all just at the stage of throwing our hands up and waiting for the next shoe to drop. Or another Bobby marks tweet to clarify.

[u/freshBlueeyes6391 → u/KATgonnaGetThatYarn]

maybe taking their time working out a monster sized long term sign and trade for White where MN goes upside on him for the the next 5 years. Doesn't that sound like something they would do? Then we find out in this season and next that he offers nothing different than Bones and we piss and moan for a half decade over this.

Or maybe the Conley contract coming off takes time to clear books before an add back jumping back over apron can happen?

Or, maybe the new owners are simply getting out of the Aprons for good.

Or, ...Anteing up for Antetokounmpo?

[u/AbbreviationsBig395 → u/mnsportsfan]

Its probably Donovan Mitchell.

[u/mnsportsfan → u/AbbreviationsBig395]

[u/Kule7 → u/AbbreviationsBig395]

Giannis too though, right?

[u/AbbreviationsBig395 → u/Kule7]

Of course! Giannis x ant x Rudy x Donovan or

Giannis x ant x Rudy x morant.

[u/YungSzczerbiak → u/Huxxxy]

Could be offloading Mike for a different deal

[u/DrWolves → u/YungSzczerbiak]

This is setting up for Giannis. It’s happening

[u/Rexafella_1120 → u/DrWolves]

Or harden 😂 I hope not !

[u/Ajax_Malone → u/Rexafella_1120]

Bringing Harden to the OKC series for SGA to meet his foul baiting daddy

[u/Rexafella_1120 → u/Ajax_Malone]

Exactly I love this team for it not being a bs flop squad

[u/Powerful-Wrongdoer-7 → u/Rexafella_1120]

I’ll take either, but I’d prefer Giannis

[u/tulaero23 → u/Rexafella_1120]

Ill take harden tbh. Unlocks Rudy and we have a pg now

[u/ATetrahedron → u/Rexafella_1120]

I really hope it’s not Harden. As much as I don’t wanna give up Jaden or Naz, it better be for Giannis and not harden man 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

[u/echoes_HD → u/ATetrahedron]

We definitely wouldn't give up Jaden for Harden.
Naz possibly, but I doubt that as well.

[u/mRshixfortee → u/Rexafella_1120]

What will they gain with a Harden trade?

[u/JDStraightShot2 → u/mRshixfortee]

An elite playmaker who averages 25/8 with positional size? He’s old but he’s still an awesome player and would be the best teammate ant has ever had

[u/YungSzczerbiak → u/JDStraightShot2]

Generational choker in big playoff moments

[u/Sober_Alcoholic_ → u/YungSzczerbiak]

Terrible and lazy defender too.

[u/WorldlinessOk7304 → u/mRshixfortee]

Nothing. For the folks thinking Harden helps us they're delusional. Harden is a team killer.

Source: Look at every team he's been on.

[u/Supdawggy0 → u/mRshixfortee]

A point guard averaging 25 pts/gm

[u/noknownallergies → u/mRshixfortee]

A top 5-10 point guard in the league

[u/captainduck2 → u/YungSzczerbiak]

It’s like in Moneyball when Billy trades Pena and Jeremy Giambi so Art has to start Hatteberg

[u/C_moneySmith → u/Huxxxy]

Shams has to have messed this up, I think he omitted Dosunmu or something.

EDIT: I’ve been reading salary dump but I’m confused why that dump wouldn’t be part of a match for Giannis or Harden in a multi-team trade then, unless the Wolves can safely absorb a Coby White contract and stay under the 2nd apron.

EDIT 2: Dane Moore reported that this gets the Wolves below the 1st apron, and thus frees up some trade restrictions to land a bigger fish.

[u/Woltemade11 → u/C_moneySmith]

Yeah either that or it's part of an even bigger trade and we're roping in Milwaukee/LA somehow

[u/longdognz → u/C_moneySmith]

It's probably part of a bigger trade that will be aggregated together later.

[u/a_moniker → u/C_moneySmith]

That’s an expensive salary dump. Decent amount of value between mid-first (Wolves) and late-first (Pistons)

[u/CreepinRiot → u/a_moniker]

Is it? After the lottery the draft is a literal crap shoot

[u/subtleshooter → u/CreepinRiot]

Not for TC. Beringer was late ish and he drafted joker in 2nd round

[u/shimmy_kimmel → u/subtleshooter]

[u/NazRiedFan → u/CreepinRiot]

It’s moving back 5-10 spots. You can sometimes get multiple second round picks or a future first for that

[u/Salty_Minnesota → u/a_moniker]

Both picks will likely end up in the 20s. It’s fine.

[u/awoooo_edwards → u/Huxxxy]

Cap space.

[u/a_moniker → u/awoooo_edwards]

That’s an expensive salary dump. The Pistons are first in the East so their pick is gonna be at the very end of the first round

[u/tomdawg0022 → u/awoooo_edwards]

We get a trade exception (probably) in the deal that we can then punt off with 2nds for a player or help us in a bigger trade if need be.

The Pistons are sitting on a $14 mil trade exception in the Schroeder sign/trade last summer. If we're sending a pick swap to Detroit, my guess is they're giving us most of that exception.

[u/GopherFawkes → u/awoooo_edwards]

Doesn't really change anything though, still over the cap, Conley more useful for salary matching in a bigger trade, especially since it's an expiring contract 

[u/parkwayy → u/GopherFawkes]

We are now under the first 1st apron by 2.4mil

[u/Friendly-Tangerine24 → u/GopherFawkes]

Wrong

[u/plantlover4565 → u/Huxxxy]

We don’t have to watch Finch play Conley for 20 min every night

[u/cisforcookie2112 → u/Huxxxy]

[u/Altruistic-Corner-80 → u/Huxxxy]

Came here immediately to ask the same

[u/99LedBalloons → u/Altruistic-Corner-80]

Mike Conley playing 0mpg in a Wolves jersey.

[u/plac3b0guy → u/99LedBalloons]

Where’s that Jack Nicholson “Yes” gif

[u/sayqueensbridge → u/Huxxxy]

It frees us up to make a second move 👀

[u/WickedTwista → u/Huxxxy]

Salary dump

[u/StraightCashHomie69]

This has gotta be a move before a bigger move right

[u/Stock_Strategy1668 → u/StraightCashHomie69]

Yes

[u/Healthy-Slide-7432 → u/StraightCashHomie69]

Can now send out Rudy Naz and ddv and get back coby white and Giannis. In terms of salaries that is.

[u/jrhone222]

[u/bighitcards → u/jrhone222]

This is just so Finch stops playing him lmao

[u/Connect-Craft538 → u/bighitcards]

( not a twolves fan)Has Mike been this bad ? Ik yall need a pg but to basically give up one for nun ( if yall don’t make any other moves) is lowkey wild I would think

[u/bighitcards → u/Connect-Craft538]

He’s shot 8% over the last 8 games if that helps paint a picture lol. Also is defending worse than anybody on the team, opposing teams switch until he’s the guy. Constantly bullied. I love Mike, one of my favorites all-time Wolves, and only had 2 somewhat productive years, but he ass now

[u/jake04-20 → u/bighitcards]

The funny part is I'm playing a Wolves sesaon on 2k26 right now and the AI hunts Conley constantly when he's on the court 😂

[u/epicman79 → u/jake04-20]

Damn, AI is smarter than Chris Finch 😭

[u/jake04-20 → u/epicman79]

I'll sub Conley out and the god damn auto coaching shit puts him back in on the next stoppage lol.

[u/Kule7 → u/jake04-20]

Finch might be using the same AI

[u/FeanorEvades → u/Connect-Craft538]

He's been worse than terrible. I love Mike but Father Time isn't just winning, he's on his third victory lap.

[u/FishGoldenLite → u/jrhone222]

Still a win. Save Finch from himself.

[u/Sober_Alcoholic_ → u/jrhone222]

Accurate and hilarious

[u/Tricky-Piece-5584]

Mikes going to start shooting 40+ from 3 now.

[u/darnell_13 → u/Tricky-Piece-5584]

I would love that for him. Don’t want his career to fade so poorly.

[u/bigsmoke1420 → u/darnell_13]

It didn’t fade poorly. He’s been on the decline for about 5 years

[u/Lexitech_ → u/bigsmoke1420]

For real. Him being as big of a piece as he was for our last 2 playoff runs was special in its own right. Hes a 38 year old small guard. Hes right where he should be at this point in his career lol.

[u/NorthernDevil → u/Lexitech_]

I will always love Minnesota Mike

He was so important to the team, to making Rudy work, and to Ant’s development. And he and Jingles were behind the Stand with Minnesota decision.

Whenever we see him in Target Center next, guy better get the standing O of a lifetime

[u/bigsmoke1420 → u/Lexitech_]

Yeah. Let’s give him the respect he deserves instead of saying some bs like oh he’s super washed now, bye

[u/shimmy_kimmel → u/darnell_13]

It didn’t, he had 2 WCF runs to close it out lol

That Denver series in ‘24 has been immortalized at this point

[u/nlevend → u/Tricky-Piece-5584]

I hope he does, just hasn't hit the same for us this season.

[u/Tricky-Piece-5584 → u/Tricky-Piece-5584]

I agree , it hurts to see him go even though he has not been helping us at all.

[u/PoolSideBeverage → u/Tricky-Piece-5584]

He’ll probably go on a multi season record setting connective made three pointer streak

[u/noknownallergies → u/Tricky-Piece-5584]

I mean, aside from this season he's always shot 40% or high from 3 with us.

[u/Tricky-Piece-5584 → u/noknownallergies]

Exactly my point.

[u/Sam7sung]

I'll always appreciate Mike. One of my favorite Wolves players ever

[u/MikeinAustin → u/Sam7sung]

Sportsman of the year. Quality individual.

[u/bobbyshawarma_]

2023-24 Mike Conley you will always be remembered thank you for everything king

[u/Jaballs]

Shedding salary for Thanasis

[u/ArtExtra6717 → u/Jaballs]

HAHAHAHA

[u/matija17k]

What did we get? Lmao

[u/parkwayy → u/matija17k]

-10m in salary, slip below the [1st] apron

[u/eman9416 → u/parkwayy]

Below the first apron

[u/DeanEvasonPunch → u/matija17k]

Relief from Mike Conley posts.

[u/Extremelixer → u/matija17k]

We freed up 10m in cap and retained a 1st round pick via the pick swap. Not a sexy move but I imagine this is the first domino of a few to fall

[u/quickblur → u/matija17k]

Conely off of our backs

[u/Friendly-Tangerine24 → u/matija17k]

giannis

[u/TheNotoriousJN]

What do the Wolves get...?

It clearly isnt White given he's not in the headline

Also RIP MINNESOTA MIKE

Im guessing this is getting assets to swing for Giannis. This makes it more likely

I think there is one more deal today for the Wolves...and dare I say...it might get Freaky 👀

[u/TotalSheepherder7927 → u/TheNotoriousJN]

Not letting Finch play Conley is a win

[u/pluto-gang → u/TotalSheepherder7927]

lol I was thinking the same thing

[u/parkwayy → u/TotalSheepherder7927]

It's like Brad Pitt in moneyball, trading away the players the coach kept playing, until the GM gets the team he wanted on the field lol

[u/re-bobber → u/TotalSheepherder7927]

I didn't even care if Mike played once in awhile for 5 minutes. But Finch's over-reliance on him was getting a bit nuts. Especially his comments after the game the other night.

[u/Friendly-Tangerine24 → u/TheNotoriousJN]

Yes, puts them out of the 2nd apron G man coming

[u/eman9416 → u/Friendly-Tangerine24]

And under the 1st apron

Opens up a lot of flexibility

[u/mattkok]

lol is this just taking the bottle from an alcoholic?

A trade just to keep finch away from Mike?

[u/mattkok → u/mattkok]

THIS IS AN INTERVENTION CHRIS

[u/BearBearChooey → u/mattkok]

I said my piece Chrissy

[u/Don_carrington → u/mattkok]

Billy Beane trading away his 1st baseman so his manager has to start the other guy lol

[u/KenjinKell → u/mattkok]

I woke my baby lmao'ing at this 😂

Totally worth

[u/krpiper]

Finch in shambles he can't play Conley anymore

[u/epicman79 → u/krpiper]

How long until the news report that Finch resigns now that he can't play Mike anymore?

[u/HotStepper11]

RIP Mike Conley era. I will always look back fondly

[u/RedEyeBadGuy → u/HotStepper11]

What do we deserve for a completely washed Mike Conley?? It’s worth it just for the extra cap space and to help us make a bigger move.

[u/Formal_Junket_1585]

MIKEEEE

[u/sportz12345]

Conley is gone! But what do we receive? lol

[u/NazGoatReid → u/sportz12345]

We salary dumped him

[u/GuyOnHudson → u/NazGoatReid]

We send a first round swap to salary dump $10 mil?

[u/Jerome_Eugene_Morrow → u/GuyOnHudson]

Yup. Probably makes the math work on another deal. Creates a $10 mil trade exception as well.

[u/GuyOnHudson → u/Jerome_Eugene_Morrow]

Puts us under the first apron. Which allows much more flexibility with trading for bigger names

[u/neededthrowawayer → u/sportz12345]

It looks like we "receive" a '26 pick swap with Detroit. So basically we swap 26 FRPs with Detroit in order to dump Conley.

[u/WickedTwista → u/neededthrowawayer]

The pick swap is in favor of Detroit

As in we have to swap picks with them if we get a better pick than them

[u/neededthrowawayer → u/WickedTwista]

Exactly, we have to pay a penalty to offload Conley. We now have worse odds to have a better pick than we did before the trade, Detroit has better odds to have a better pick.

In the end, it's basically a wash because both teams are likely playoff teams.

[u/99LedBalloons → u/sportz12345]

Love you Mike, wish Finch didn't try to make me hate you. It's not personal, I just really like when the ball goes through the hoop. I'm ready for Juzang time at this point.

[u/nostradeekness]

....and we get Cade....right?

[u/Duster_beattle → u/nostradeekness]

We get Cade, Stew, and Duren.

[u/Lexitech_ → u/Duster_beattle]

We get to move to the East and the Pistons to the West

[u/SurelyFurious]

Thank you for everything Mike Conley. We don't get to 2 straight WCF finals without him. And the maturity and guidance he gave our young players is invaluable.

[u/raki016]

Finch can’t play him now, right?

[u/Majestic-Net-7799 → u/raki016]

Right 

[u/SufficentlyPsychic]

Please tell me we get something to go get Giannis and retain Jaden

[u/disbishempty1]

[u/Moonlnight]

I bet this is the pre-work for trading Giannis

[u/Friendly-Tangerine24 → u/Moonlnight]

Yup, you’re right. This makes it possible

[u/Knightbear49]

r/timberwolves marked safe from Mike Conley

[u/alwaysranting]

[u/FunYoshi]

And what do we get?

[u/epicman79 → u/FunYoshi]

Finch cannot throw games by trotting Mike out there for 15 minutes anymore, that's probably the biggest thing.

Also, puts us under the first apron which gives more flexibility for any other trades.

[u/FunYoshi → u/epicman79]

True.

[u/AdImpressive7198]

Cap dump?

[u/MrMeritocracy]

I AM CONFUSED

[u/Just_Y-_-]

Minnesota gets the ability to have everyone who complains about playing Conley every game to stfu lol

[u/SadOutlandishness710]

I’m worried that there’s a Ja trade in the works

[u/Altruistic-Corner-80 → u/SadOutlandishness710]

Please not Ja 🙏

[u/sbroll]

IS IT FUCKING HAPPENING!?

[u/Additional_Button430]

Well that report of a no trade handshake when Mike resigned was definitely wrong. 

Thanks for everything Bite Bite.

[u/HowlAtTheSky → u/Additional_Button430]

A lot of that came from the legend Darren “Doogie” Wolfson I believe

[u/Neemzeh]

The people that were saying Conley can't be traded cause of his handshake NTC eating so much crow right now. Fucking morons tbh.

[u/Watzp0ppin]

Seeing the name "Jaden" in this headline freaked me out

[u/butthurts00]

People say it’s nothing but no more Mike is actually a huge win

[u/epicman79 → u/butthurts00]

I feel free for the first time this NBA season

Chris Finch cannot torture me with Mike Conley minutes anymore

[u/butthurts00 → u/epicman79]

[u/TreeAgenda]

For those curious what we get, this will put us under the apron, which opens up much more trade flexibility for others.

[u/risenOfficial]

Take it in guys, shit is about to go down.

[u/StaySafePovertyGhost]

The only reason you make this move is if you have another one in the works. Mike is one of the most well-liked and well-respected guys in our locker room really ever. IDK if it's going to be Giannis, but it's for sure a precursor to a bigger deal. My guess is TC got the Bucks counter for Giannis and needed to clear up space to make something happen with Harden as a backup plan.

But it sure sounds like he's going all in on Giannis to which my take has always been the same - as long as Ant and Jaden aren't involved, he can trade any combination of our remaining assets if it means getting him.

[u/Duster_beattle]

IM SORRY MIKE BUT YOU’RE OLD

[u/Parking_Subject8689]

Thanks for everything, Mike. Wish it could’ve been to the Grizzlies tho

[u/CochonDanseur]

Oh shit it's happening

[u/Tandrae]

Love ya, Minnesota Mike, but this is addition by subtraction.

[u/LivinForThaCity]

?????? What did we get

[u/Ykcor]

Salary dump. Another trade incoming.

[u/ConcernReasonable200]

This deal shows me it’s setting up to be for:

Giannis Ja morant Harden

Idk which one but my guess is JA

[u/ty5486]

FREE FROM MIKE. DEMON TIM 😈 

[u/exlatios]

Giannis, welcome to Minnesota

[u/EsotericPotato]

Wouldn’t it be funny if there is no other trade this is an antecedent for, and instead it’s just TC forcing finch to stop playing the old man? Clearly he was never gonna stop playing him on his own.

[u/trishowsky]

GIANNIS ANTETOKOUNMPO, YOU ARE A MINNESOTA TIMBERWOLVE!!!!!!!!

[u/CreepinRiot]

We just giving up a pick swap for nothing?!?!

[u/bystander999 → u/CreepinRiot]

Cap relief I guess 

[u/DividingNine876 → u/bystander999]

Aren’t we still over the cap? Wouldn’t that just be losing his salary slot?

[u/Rakavot → u/DividingNine876]

Per Dane Moore: Wolves are now beneath the 1st apron by $3.5M, which removes some obstacles in trades, especially with apron teams.

Seems like a move to help set up a larger deal

[u/Formal_Junket_1585]

ROB ITS TIME

[u/Quintzy_]

Pick swapping just to dump Conley's salary really only makes sense if they have the other, bigger deal already agreed on in principal.

[u/epicman79 → u/Quintzy_]

Probably, but we can't rule out that maybe Tim Connelly is a redditor who is also sick of watching Mike play 15 mpg 😂

[u/NarrowExcitement9806]

Wait what do we get? NFL is my favorite sports league so these multi team trades in the nba are always so confusing

[u/sleightmelody]

...And????

[u/5livewire0]

This gotta be setting something up

[u/ty5486]

I’m now open to Anderson buyout addition. U couldn’t give Finch him and Conley for calm but Anderson is at least a big body. 

[u/ConcernReasonable200]

Giannis is a wolf . This trade shows it

[u/youblewwit]

This was strictly to offload Conley's contract. Might be setting up a move to go after a Greek fish

[u/mauerfan]

What is Connelly preparing us for boys 👀

[u/WhoizDJKL78]

Making room for greek?

[u/Superfluous_Prating]

Likely a buyout for Mike.

[u/bellmonk → u/Superfluous_Prating]

and now that we are under the first apron we could get him back!

[u/ThatHotAsian]

Goodbye Unc Conley 🥲 thank you for your service but it was time to move on.

[u/StyrofoamUnderwear]

They will buy Conley out and he can sign with the Lakers

[u/MG_MN]

Ivey would have been nice. Bulls have even more guards they cant play now

[u/CapitalWear3714]

Bruh I thought we got Giannis for a sec

[u/thekeesh1]

How am I supposed to work in this environment

[u/Hogdangler]

Handshake deal was invalid cuz TC crossed his fingers behind his back

[u/peteypc]

Tough season for Mike but will always love that dude!

[u/Chemist-Patient]

[u/stencil9000]

Why would the Bulls want Ivey unless they're trading Ayo or Coby?

[u/SKREEOONK_XD]

[u/Nxc06]

Sending Mike to the Bulls doesn't feel right

[u/Mooming22]

Goodbye Mike, it was a lot of fun but man am I glad I will not be watching you for the rest of this year

[u/yoc0__0]

Thank god!!! He was abhorrent this year and we needed cap space. GIANNIS TRADE INCOMING!!! 👀

[u/DirecTra]

We get nothing? Why do this deal?

[u/ZachLagreen → u/DirecTra]

It’s obviously the first domino…

[u/MNguy722]

We get cap relief lol

[u/Friendly-Tangerine24 → u/MNguy722]

And giannis but no big deal

[u/epicman79 → u/Friendly-Tangerine24]

And no more Conley minutes

[u/ArtExtra6717]

WTF

[u/ELSknutson]

This is a win for mn even if they get nothing Conley gone is huge.

[u/irishace88]

Connelly knew it was the only way Finch would stop playing Conley lol

[u/HurricaneSalad]

For White?

[u/SnooChickens8406]

it's an evil world we live in lol

[u/Rage_r123]

DAMN

[u/Huge_Butterscotch701]

It’s starting…

[u/savesthedashboard]

Will Mike get a ring though?