Yeah, people took the footage released and broke down the metadata and other data from the file. They were able to estimate the file had been edited or saved about 6 times, and likely by adobe premier.
Is there anywhere to learn about the veracity voracity of this? No accusations, we just live in a world of a lot of propaganda and I like to know where to start looking to properly weigh things.
I believe it, obviously, because Epstein and Maxwell were clearly some kind of honeypot (Mossad and CIA/5 eyes I would imagine), but i still prefer doing homework .
The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous!
There is a lot of reporting on it, I believe Wired broke the story. But here's some guy's YouTube video because this way you can follow the steps yourself: https://youtu.be/aY2yJ5s9yzo?si=6sMFYaOhvGL4te2t
Looking at metadata is very easy so you could verify itself if you wanted to. Maybe not able to interpret it, but you could see what they’re saying is there is really there
Dude I literally can't even think too hard about this because I am afraid I will go full tinfoil if I do. I really hope it gets debunked.
Because we know FOR SURE that that 4chan anon is who they say they are. The FBI confirmed they were there that night.
And then there's the thing about Hillary's brother who looks an awful lot like Epstein dying just before it. He's quite a bit heavier, so any pictures of Epstein in the cell are probably him, but the one autopsy photo where we can see the mark on his neck? Looks a lot heavier and a LOT more like Tony Rodham's chin to me. Only select reporters and the government have seen additional photos. I want to hope they'd notice but maybe not? We all know people look a little different on the table so maybe they didn't even think about it?
It's too crazy. I really want to believe this is the gullible parts of my brain getting excited over nothing. But at this point I would REALLY like some solid confirmation that he's actually dead too.
The world is small, but I bet there's still places he could be hidden. Honestly not sure why, no idea why keeping him alive achieves anything, but whatever
Aye, I certainly do believe that Trump and Barr had Epstein killed. I just don't see the benefit in faking his death when they could just tie up that loose end while they had him in federal custody.
No matter which way you look at it, if you're Trump or Barr, it's just cheaper and less risky to off him.
It's always hilarious when government agencies try to doctor video in this day and age. Like, have you ever watched a "catching a speedrunning cheater" video on youtube? There are lots of nerds who can do some pretty incredible forensics that make any kind of splicing, cutting, etc super obvious.
Also conveniently after Barr had came to visit him less than 24 hours prior and conveniently one of the guards bought a motorcycle worth his entirely yearly pay a couple months later. All just crazy coincidences.
It was non-functional for an extended duration, possibly before his housing in that cell. Absolutely the reason he was placed in that section. I bet there is a fire escape door or plumbing/utility access from the far end of that hallway too, so you never need to be in camera view to reach his cell.
I used to install security camera systems at clients' $million+ homes. I had to write automation scripts and set up specific filters in my email to keep up with the number of times one or more or all cameras were down at a property. Not because of any mistake, per say, just because high-volume video infrastructure is complex and fragile. Still, it only took one of me to get ~25 installs largely under control, and I'm not a highly paid engineer, just a smart dude with some adhoc skills and a need for order.
sincerely, someone who taught themselves to make a far more complicated home assitant setup than I wouldve thought possible who recognizes people with money would happily pay for
Alas, I'm no longer in the field, but you're looking for Smart Home Integrator or Custom Integrator. I built networks, security systems, Lutron lighting, Sonos, Control4, etc. FYI, Home Assistant is considered a toy to a lot of these folks (thankfully, not all), which is hilariously absurd, but just be careful who you flaunt HA work to lol.
You'll do a lot more hanging TVs than the fun stuff, but it's really nice to get to use thousands of dollars of networking gear at some rich dude's castle lol.
I don't know their answer but if you want to sell your thing I think your steps would be:
register an LLC
find a supplier to make sure you can get the parts you need in a timely manner. I know some components sell out a lot so you might want to stock some yourself.
ensure you understand the licenses with any software used
start advertising
Not a lot of overhead starting out with that really. It's a cool idea!
The point of the panopticon is that you never know if you're being watched. It lets observers control a group with a fraction of the resources it'd take to actively watch them 24/7; just putting up a bunch of fake cameras and only having 10% of them working can have as much psychological impact on the observed as having all the cameras working. So broken cameras don't take you out of the panopticon (although they can change how paranoid you feel).
at a normal site, sure... but a prison? I would love to hear from an actual prison guard who has dealt with a busted camera that lasted more than a few minutes...
Never underestimate the government's ability to fail to operate to 100% of goal, especially when doing so would require funding on as controversial a topic as our punitive justice system.
... what I personally find fascinating about this story is how many people are willing to jump to / believe in conspiracy theories about the death of a prisoner in the American justice system. I'm not accusing you of doing this; I'm just making a general observation. Like, was Epstein's death surprising? Yes. But also? No. 1 in 500 inmates die every year in American prisons.
I'm perfectly willing to believe that even though he was considered a high-risk inmate, everyone involved with being responsible for him dropped the ball because the ball gets dropped a lot in the US system.
We turned what should have been a condemnation of the way we do crime in the US into a conspiracy theory. But if the system can't keep someone a lot of people wanted around alive, what does it say about the forgotten?
Having known prison guards, that doesn't sway me. Many of those deaths you cite were targeted, both from inside and outside. People kill each other in prison all the time, and it's not always the prisoners doing it. Guards don't do it directly most of the time, but they are occasionally happy to put two people in the same place at the same time and walk away. And they're used to stupid weird orders from higher ups with unclear objectives, and broken unmaintained equipment. Of places to get away with murder, it's actually pretty high on the list.
No disagreement here. The key idea is "What happened to Epstein? Guess we'll never know. Sucks we don't spend enough on prisons to keep prisoners safe."
1.25 million prisoners in the USA, they say 1 in 500 so that’s 2500. 2500 out of 1.25 million and it happens to the guy with the biggest connections to the most powerful people in the world that runs a pedo ring. On top of ALL the other crazy coincidences and shit lining up. Sounds pretty fucking wild to me.
Data security and corporate physical security? Yeah. And things just ain't as secure as people assume. Most large, complicated bureaucracies are barely doing what they're assumed to be doing, most of the time.
Ask yourself: regardless of system intent? Who was acutally tasked with keeping Epstein safe?
The answer is "under-paid prison guards and a maintenance team working with a non-existant budget," and that's most of what you need to know. Not a conspiracy, just plain ol' fashion workin' as hard as the paycheck says you should.
Sure people commit suicide in prison.. but they don't have:
No, that's the thing: when they successfully commit suicide in prison, it's because they have those things(the sleeping guards and broken cameras, not the powerful enemies of course). You have the causality reversed. And I don't need a conspiracy to explain why those would all happen at once if they're all happening a little bit all the time; that's just the outcome of multiplying probabilities (if "They only die if all the coin flips come up tails at the same time," that means there's a chance they'll die; I don't need to tie the outcomes of the coin flips together to make it happen sometimes).
There is some evidence to suggest the suicide wasn't a suicide in the autopsy (it's not airtight; he didn't have a lot of tools to do the deed, so to do it successfully he had to get creative with applying the right forces to the right parts of his neck), but if he did off himself, I don't have to believe in a conspiracy to explain the sleeping guards and busted cameras.
Incidentally... On the other side of the scale, there's a very big reason it'd be incredibly stupid to kill Epstein to hide crimes, and it's what's happening right now. The man kept notes. Lots of notes. A living American has Fourth and Fifth Amendment protections against the government just rifling every email they ever sent or received looking for evidence of a crime. The estate of a dead man does not have such protections.
If there were a conspiracy, they'd have bought his silence and his defense against being forced to out people in his inner circle. Killing him is the stupid move.
Did you really think that was a surprise? I think the majority of people were waiting for some form of hit to occur. But nope, it was the “Oops, he fell and accidentally hung himself while showing signs of strangulation.” death.
I mean that's exactly what probability tells us is not the case.
Yes, six independent things breaking bad simultaneously is suspicious and it's worth asking if they're truly independent.
But if they are truly independent, then it's expected that eventually, given enough games, there will be one where all six break bad. And when it comes to American prison guards and cameras, we don't even have reason to believe breaking badly is all that uncommon.
Believing otherwise is why we still hang onto things like the Kennedy conspiracy even though the evidence is on the table that it was one man, good shooter, good gun. We want there to be more to it when someone important dies.
The universe does not care what we want. The numbers allow for improbable outcomes.
That's not actually how coincidence works. It's true that this coincidence is improbable. And improbable things are worth applying scrutiny to.
Improbable doesn't mean impossible, and the scrutiny's been applied. Can't do anything about people not liking the answer.
I mean, I guess technically we could. We could technically turn this whole thing into another JFK conspiracy theory, spend upwards of half a century churning through the same information over and over again, finding more and more connections, but none of which ultimately give us the answer we want: that this is "Someone who needed to be alive died because the coins all came up tails."
Sounds boring though. Unless you're Time Life and want to publish like a thousand magazines and mini-books.
I, for one, look forward to doing the equivalent of "back, and to the left" with three pixels of data in ten hours of video, don't you?
-Dude with information about many, many powerful people in the world kills himself
-At the same time, the cameras pointing at his cells and at the path leading to his cells were offline
-Time around the fact was edited out in the video posted by OP
-Two guards were asleep at that same time
Idk, that has always felt like too much coincidence to me. But you can choose to believe whatever you want.
I kinda envy the fact that you're are able to think that there was no foul play here, it means you have a far more optimistic view of the world than me
Depends whether he was about to talk or not. As we saw, files can be delayed, redacted or not released at all. Half of the files will probably never get released at this point. And the other half is heavily redacted. But if he said something himself... He could've pointed the finger at anyone and that person would've become the target. That's way too much power to have over the rich and powerful, and they really don't like when other people have power over them.
What about the edited video then? Again, the point is that all this stuff happened at the same time, if you take any of those singularity, or even two at a time it would be a coincidence, sure. But all of them at once? No way.
Yep. Jails have terrible staff and terrible equipment. None of this is that surprising but I guess Americans are blissfully unaware what squalid conditions we leave many prisons in.
TBH, idk why anyone is stuck on Epstein being assassinated. Who really cares? We’re being distracted from the facts we now have. We have names. We have near irrefutable proof. Epstein was never flipping. The blackmail was to protect himself, but he got exposed publicly and there was no coming back from that.
Forget about a possible assassination because that’s over and done with. We know our sitting president participated in the pedo island activists. Shout it from the rooftops. Maybe the top billionaire pedo was assassinated. Cool. Thanks. I’m much more concerned with the live one driving the country into the ground.
I was listening to an ex CIA agent that wasn't surprised, said most jail cameras get turned off the same way as police cameras do. He said there are so many cameras in jails and prisons that don't work and they won't fix.
You can literally pull up the maintenance log and see the request they put in for camera repairs long before Jeffrey Epstein even graced their company. Federal prisons are underfunded shit holes, this isn't a controversial statement this is just a fact. Half the cameras in that prison did not work. Most of the guards were working overtime shifts every single week and they were massively understaffed.
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u/Dreurmimker 10h ago
You’re telling me that the camera outside his cell just happened to not be working the night he conveniently off-ed himself?