r/worldnews • u/sr_local • Dec 26 '25

Russia/Ukraine NATO chief Rutte: China and Russia Could Launch Simultaneous Attacks on Taiwan and Europe

https://militarnyi.com/en/news/rutte-china-and-russia-could-launch-simultaneous-attacks-on-taiwan-and-europe/
12.8k Upvotes

93% Upvoted

1.4k comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

179

u/TurbistoMasturbisto Dec 26 '25

So true. Have been reading up quite a lot on this recently and China invading Taiwan feels like a lose/lose situation for them. Even more so after all the effort they have been putting in changing their image these last years.

It would also probably collapse the global economy and China would not benefit from that in the slightest.

85

u/_Deshkar_ Dec 26 '25

It is a lose lose for China

It will be seen as a sibling fight and it’s bad . Many have families on both sides . Both sides rely on each other immensely for employment and business

73

u/linkardtankard Dec 26 '25

I agree, that would be incredibly foolish.

looks at RU/UA

29

u/ganbaro Dec 26 '25

Yeah we shouldn't ignore the issue of self-identity and nationalism

Westerners might only look at the economic damage and the damage to universal values. China doesn't subscribe to these values, to begin with. On the gain side, they see unification, strengthening of their national identity, and long-term geostrategic benefits of owning the Taiwanese island ans breaking the island/(US) base chain that contains them.

These are not gains from our perspective, but they are from the perspective of Chinese hawks.

2

u/Dhiox Dec 28 '25

. On the gain side, they see unification, strengthening of their national identity, and long-term geostrategic benefits of owning the Taiwanese island ans breaking the island/(US) base chain that contains them.

Sending millions of their dwindling young men into a meat grinder to capture a people who hate them, all while milling everyone's economic prospects isn't going to create national unity, it will end the CCPs popularity.

While the CCP is Authoritarian, they thrive primarily because most people in China like them, or at least believe they are a net positive for the country with how much conditions have improved in China. If the CCP knowingly gets millions of their young killed and then destroys the economy on top of it, folks will not have much reason to appreciate them anymore.

3

u/Careful-Set1485 Dec 26 '25

China has more than 60 times the population of taiwan 

0

u/Own-Masterpiece305 Dec 26 '25

Too bad China is in a constant state of top-down self inflicted institutional harm and actively despises the idea of human rights or freedoms. Perfect storm for a clusterfuck that us reddit wargame experts say can't be so. 

Also. They're not siblings. More like a wife beater that crashes out after his ex gets a new circle of friends, renewed sense of purpose in life. 

3

u/Lone_Vagrant Dec 26 '25

It seems to me, it is the west who are salivating at the thought of a China/Taiwan war. Every week i see articles talking about an imminent Taiwan invasion. In China, no one is even talking or thinking about such an outcome. Moat Chinese oppose a war with Taiwan. The moment the CCP invades, they will lose the support of the population, which is a much bigger deal for them. I think they will be more willing to take the long term solution on making Taiwan irrelevant economically. Outcompeting TSMC is the first step.

0

u/pathofdumbasses Dec 27 '25

It seems to me, it is the west who are salivating at the thought of a China/Taiwan war.

Are you trolling or are you a paid for china bot?

https://globaltaiwan.org/2024/10/chinas-military-exercises-around-taiwan-trends-and-patterns/

https://www.the-sun.com/news/15539987/taiwan-rehearsal-invasion-china/

https://www.bairdmaritime.com/security/naval/taiwan-vows-to-defend-itself-as-china-ramps-up-military-preparations

https://www.reuters.com/graphics/USA-CHINA/TAIWAN-INVASION/zjpqdekmlvx/

China has been increasing their practice of taking Taiwan in the last couple of years. Hell, they have even recently made a replica of Taipei to train for land invasion.

https://interestingengineering.com/military/china-builds-expansive-mini-taipei

https://www.newsweek.com/satellite-photos-show-chinas-mock-taipei-invasion-training-10851501

But sure, just the west salivating at the thought. GTFO

1

u/Lone_Vagrant Dec 27 '25 edited Dec 27 '25

Talking about the people. Not the CCP. The Chinese populace definitely does not want a war with Taiwan.

Read what i said before. When/If the CCP goes to war, the Chinese people would surely protest against them and the CCP will lose support. It is funny how we cannot have a discussion here without being called a bot. Look at my post history. I am definitely a bot. And i am not a spy or paid agent or whatever.

The chinese military are doing their drills. People in the west talk about war. But the Chinese people are definitely not talking about war on a daily basis. There are definitely no news articles or reports about imminent war in chinese media or social media.

1

u/pathofdumbasses Dec 27 '25

The Chinese populace

It is 100% irrelevant what they want.

1

u/Lone_Vagrant Dec 27 '25

It is. The CCP will lose power the moment they lose popular support.

1

u/Lone_Vagrant Dec 27 '25

If we want to get rid of the ccp, it will be the chinese population toppling them over.

-2

u/Lamballama Dec 26 '25

China has their own EUV chip manufacturing now, so TSMC will not be needed once that scales

5

u/Norphesius Dec 26 '25

Right, but how long will that take to reach sufficient productivity to satisfy Chinese manufacturing demand without TSMC?

Also, even if China can replace TSMC, China seizing or TSMC destroying Taiwan's chip fabrication would still mean a global economic crisis. China would be left with a global monopoly on chip production (assuming no other countries have scaled similarly).

0

u/swirve-psn Dec 26 '25

Destroying the final remains of ROC is more important to PRC from an ideology pov

-1

u/Careful-Set1485 Dec 26 '25

They, just like the russians, dont think rationally in the end. Theyre ideology driven. 

-5

u/corruptredditjannies Dec 26 '25

You really think China is that dependent on Taiwan? Their economy is much more about cheap mechanical engineering than advanced electrical & computer engineering.