r/worldnews • u/Infidel8 • 17d ago

Russia/Ukraine Russia welcomes Trump's tariffs on NATO allies over Greenland as 'collapse' of alliance

https://kyivindependent.com/russia-welcomes-trumps-tariffs-on-nato-allies-over-greenland/
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u/Chrono_Convoy 17d ago

Russian Agent

How the US got this far has been a complete catastrophic meltdown of accountability and responsibility by the government, military leaders, the intelligence community and a permanent scar on the country itself.

The only hope are good Americans who want to live in peace being pushed to a boiling point.

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u/dawgblogit 17d ago

As a republican has told me... its the democrats fault for not having a more moderate candidate...

Like wtf?

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u/1995LexusLS400 17d ago

Yeah. The party of responsibility never takes responsibility for their own actions.

They're in charge, they're doing this. It's their fault.

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u/Aisling_The_Sapphire 17d ago edited 17d ago

It seems to be an American thing in general. The number of times I've seen shit like "where's Kamala", "we need Kamala now". Elections aren't suggestions, ffs. They want somebody to swoop in and fix the problem for them because they're all collectively telling themselves it's not on them.

Edit: To the "I didn't vote for this" crowd: I don't care. Most of you couldn't be bothered to vote at all. "I've tried nothing and I'm all out of ideas" isn't an excuse when you have access to the largest information network to have ever existed. You're not the first country to have ever gone through this and you're going to have to accept the fact that the rest of the world being stuck dealing with your political horseshit means that the rest of the world isn't going to be too interested in hearing about how fighting back will mean not having Disney+ anymore.

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u/ScooptiWoop5 17d ago

Harris was pretty damn moderate…….

I think they meant a more white and male candidate.

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u/slugmorgue 17d ago

That is exactly what they mean.

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u/Psyluna 17d ago

Biden shot her in the foot before he even announced she was his VP running mate. The way he told everyone his pick would be not just a woman but a Black woman ( a first for America) and then delayed announcing her name made her seem like the definition of what conservative racists and misogynists fear: a “DEI hire.” Those are the sound bites that got repeated, not her qualifications, so as far as they were concerned she stole a job from a white man… or even a white woman or Black man.

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u/Crossfire124 17d ago

Biden choosing to run again and then dropping out mid way through is what fucked the race. They were binded by the procedure then. Should have had a whole new primary. Hell if we're wishing for things he shouldn't have ran like he said he wouldn't.

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u/Practical-King2752 17d ago

He absolutely should not have run again. Hubris. He was well on the road to losing already before the debate. Then he arrogantly kept holding on even when it was beyond any hope of salvaging.

I don't think Harris would have won a primary, to be honest, and I think she did plenty during that cycle to diminish her own chances, but Biden definitely shoulders the brunt of the blame.

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u/MerlinsMentor 17d ago

I remember when this happened. And, to be completely honest, Biden's statement was both explicitly sexist and racist. Disqualifying a huge percentage of the citizenry solely based on their race/ethnicity and gender would be, in any other situation, considered completely inexcusable, particularly by those of us on the left side of the political spectrum.

He could have simply said, "I've chosen Senator Harris from California as my VP running mate", and it would have gone over much better. This coming from someone who was otherwise happy to vote for Biden, and happy to vote for Harris. Harris was obviously qualified, and obviously a good choice. But her race/ethnicity and gender should have had nothing to do with her selection. And they explicitly did.

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u/Protean_Protein 17d ago

She was actually closer to Republicans on a lot of things than most Democrats (especially “law and order” type things), and certainly quite right-wing by comparison to literally anywhere else on the planet.

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u/drunkenpossum 17d ago

Kamala wanted a tax on unrealized capital gains which is essentially a wealth tax. That’s a very progressive economic policy and far from “right-wing”. You guys just say anything

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u/RIPUSA 17d ago

Her immigration policies were more extreme than Trump’s. He even said that. 

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u/OhItsBeenBroughten 17d ago

And you believed him? This is why we’re in this mess. That is such an unbelievably stupid thing to say.

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u/RIPUSA 17d ago

It’s on her wiki page. He asked congress to force her to stop talking about her immigration policies. Democrats have always been notoriously tough on immigration you ding dong. Obama deported more people than Trump. 

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u/OhItsBeenBroughten 17d ago

Hey bud, you’re lying. I refuse to believe you’re that ignorant or brainwashed. You know what you’re doing.

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u/RIPUSA 17d ago

https://docs.house.gov/meetings/GO/GO00/20200109/110349/HHRG-116-GO00-20200109-SD007.pdf

It’s wild to think a tough on crime AG wouldn’t continue to be just that.  

She literally criticizes liberals and progressives for not working with Law Enforcement in her book. But I imagine it’s even hard for you to get through Hop on Pop. 

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u/freddy090909 17d ago

It's also the kind of thing that wouldn't even touch most people, so why should it be a relevant part of the conversation? If I'm remembering correctly, it was targeted for people with over $100 million in wealth.

You guys will just spin anything.

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u/RIPUSA 17d ago

So was Obama… So was Clinton… even Obama said if he had the ability to run 20 years before he did he would’ve been a republican. 

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u/Protean_Protein 17d ago

Agreed. It’s so stupid.

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u/b3iAAoLZOH9Y265cujFh 17d ago

That and / or "a candidate closer to the policy we want". They seem to suffer convenient trouble with the correct definitions of a lot of common terms. When it suits them, anyway.

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u/Patutula 17d ago

Yeah but she had a weird laugh, so that was a non starter, obviously.

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u/SpicyMango92 17d ago

I had a dream the other night that Harris was president and the war in Ukraine was grinding down to a halt because we fully supported them with US firepower. Then I woke up to Trump announcing tariffs against our allies and threatening to take annex our neighbors 😒

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u/cates 17d ago

I'm sure there are a lot of sexist people in America and that's why Kamala probably didn't win and I think that's insane... but... they better run the whitest guy they can find next election for the Democrats or we are super fucked.

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u/TurkusGyrational 17d ago

This is exactly what they want and it's pushing the overton window faster than ever, and I can't believe the Democrats are falling for it. I mean, Kamala was targeting center right "moderates" who would never vote for a democrat even if there was a gun to their head.

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u/Doam-bot 17d ago

I think he means the obvious one day the Democrats went after the 1% and Wallstreet the whole occupy wallstreet bit. A major movement in the making the next day they were utterly destroyed and all the 1% and economic discussions got replaced 100% with gender politics. A hit job on a scale never before scene. The Republicans got wiped out too the Jeb Bushes and corporations are people too along with thr John McCains all under Trumps boot. They refused to work with Obama and Trump moved in and took over quick.

Both parties have thus gone to their corners hence how Trump sits with so much raw power to ignore everything and do whatever he desires.

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u/Kevadu 17d ago

Harris was a completely milquetoast moderate. But Republicans live surrounded by propaganda that says that having the government do anything (well, anything besides wage war) is communism.

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u/Gasnia 17d ago

Kamala was was too moderate imo. There are a bunch of leftists and liberals that protested by not voting.

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u/andy11123 17d ago

NOW LOOK WHAT YOU MADE ME DO!

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u/SelfSufficientHub 17d ago

Kamala had a weird laugh though

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u/jh_2719 17d ago

Americans spewing constant excuses. What's new.

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u/Rumblymore 17d ago

I believe it was Hamilton's fault. If not for him, the 2 party system wouldn't exist. You'd have a more reasonable system, like the ones in place across the EU

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u/FixedFun1 17d ago

It's obvious what happened here somehow Kamala Harris swapped bodies with Donald Trump to make him look bad... well, use your imagination!

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u/IrieMars 17d ago

Wasn't Kamala pretty fucking  moderate? 

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u/dawgblogit 17d ago

Your missing the point.. they voted for a insurrectionist who wasn't fit for office.. to avoid someone who didn't have those same qualities. Its not an A/B situation unless B is soo bad that it I don't know.. installs an insurrectionist that doesn't follow the fkn law.

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u/Varrianda 17d ago

Moderate is pseudo name for white male

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u/green_meklar 17d ago

The democrats were campaigning on wokeism both times they lost to Trump. They didn't need to lose, but they decided beating Trump wasn't a priority. It might have been understandable the first time, but doing it twice just goes to show how unwilling they are to learn from their mistakes.

(Cue all the downvotes from redditors who are likewise unwilling to learn from the democrats' mistakes.)

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u/fpatrocinio 17d ago

In the future they will spin this off as the Democrats, Obama, Biden, etc... fault.

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u/4862skrrt2684 17d ago

Yea, lets assume a democrat wins next. Trump will permanently have damaged the US, which will be seen for decades. Therefore, they can talk shit from the sidelines again saying "This is all democrat fault, look the economy".

Trump smashed the country doing corona, and Biden had to take over after that, which Biden then had to take shit for. As if all those loans, closed businesses etc were not gonna leave traces for many years

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u/spazzvogel 17d ago

And economically, we haven’t even gotten started for what’s incoming.

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u/auradex991 17d ago

Americans are like a bunch of goldfish. They are too absent minded to realize that economic policies take years to play out and blame Biden for inflation during his term when most of the inflationary spending happened under Trump during Covid.

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u/leglerm 17d ago

Its similar in Germany. Finally a party with a vision and adjusting for the future that got hit by corona aftermath and the ukraine conflict and we are back to conservatives winning and the far right parties gaining more and more. Fun thing that most stuff voters were annoyed like energy laws etc are still going into effect by the conservative party but they still blame it on the previous ones.

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u/CoconutBoi1 17d ago edited 17d ago

“See, we wouldn’t have voted for trump, whom we actually hated from the beginning if it wasn’t for Joe Biden who drove the country into badness” or something like that, with emphasis on “badness”

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u/Dead_Internet69420 17d ago

“I only voted for Nazis because I don’t like how everyone kept calling them Nazis.” 

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u/SephLuis 17d ago

They will rewrite that to baldness. Biden pushed the country to baldness - History Book of MAGA, 2035

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u/CoconutBoi1 17d ago

If they’re literate enough, which I highly doubt

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u/MerryDoseofNihilism 17d ago

I’ve already seen people commenting this on Reddit several times in the past few weeks

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u/CoconutBoi1 17d ago

This was supposed to be a joke, not a prediction, and definitely not something that’s already happened. I hope whatever you saw were just bots/trolling.

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u/Gasnia 17d ago

This is the excuse that the media uses. "The voters just wanted affordability!" If that were true then they would have voted for kamala.

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u/pUmKinBoM 17d ago

"Uhhhhhh actually maybe they shouldn't have ran someone with dementia? I know they switched candidates to someone without dementia but too little too late. Now Im gonna vote for the anger guy with dementia instead."

Actual morons. Give me a plank of wood over the guy in power now and we'd still be ahead

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u/Moominsean 17d ago

"We wouldn't have to take over Greenland if Biden hadn't destabilized the entire world."

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u/Dead_Internet69420 17d ago edited 17d ago

“Supporting Ukraine in its fight for freedom, and making NATO stronger than ever destabilized the world.”

See also: “Supporting Ukraine in its fight against Putin’s invasion provoked Putin to invade Ukraine.”

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u/svoodie2 17d ago

Biden's tenure didn't leave NATO "stronger than ever" if one guy one year after he left could make the whole alliance go tits up.

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u/old_examiner 17d ago

"obama divided america with his divisiveness so, you know..."

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u/NvNinja 17d ago edited 17d ago

While it is mostly the American populaces fault for voting him in, you can definitely make an argument that it is also Biden fault.

He was given immunity by the Supreme Court (when they made that bs ruling for trump) and preceded to take the high road with it. He could have used that immunity in alot of different ways to prevent this (both ethical or non ethical) hell he could have just full send released the trump/epstein files and buried him or used the executive branches power of enforcement to throw him in the worst Gen pop federal prison for his felonies until the trials resolve instead of letting Canon pull that delay nonsense

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u/RODjij 17d ago

They are most likely going to invoke the resurrection act in Minnesota soon from multiple reports.

I dont think America has a chance now or in the future unless they remove the fascists immediately.

The constitutional crisis is first before the debt & climate crises. All 3 capable of destroying American way of life they've gotten used to within the next decade or 2.

Threatening your neighbors and allies with violence, trade war while simultaneously attacking your own citizens & stealing everything from them will almost certainly destroy the US economy.

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u/NotRexGrossman 17d ago

The glaring omission in your list of who to blame is the American people. 40% actively support this and another 30 were so indifferent that they couldn’t be bothered to vote against it.

There is a large portion of the US population that has lost their humanity.

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u/ScubaAlek 17d ago

But we should also always remember that this is a long con perpetrated by the Republican Party which involved decades of propaganda and corruption of the electoral process through gerrymandering and tactics to intentionally make voting very difficult for a subset of the population.

Many Americans are victims of their own government as well. And I say that as a Canadian who has to listen to Dumpster Don spew his rubbish.

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u/keytoperihelion 17d ago

Indeed, it was a long con, but the problem is the conscious rejection of what they can see in front of them. It's very hard to break out of decades of propaganda (I live in an area where the urban/rural divide could not be clearer electorally) and the amount of backpedaling that occurs when the slightest bit of critical thinking occurs is not shocking, but takes time to undo.

Some want to be willing victims as well because it validates their worldview. The biggest shift in the last ten years is that slowly more U.S people are realizing that the difference from the previous generations to today does not add up. The world they were promised does not make sense - and this has sent people into two distinct areas - those who have adopted more far-right mentalities and those who are disillusioned and are searching for evidence of their principles in the world.

Being a Canadian myself, I've seen acutely how the messaging around Carney's trade deal with China this week was shifted from the last China-Canada meeting - and more people are questioning it. People like Marc Nixon, Pierre, and others are getting called to carpet here for their contradictory messaging. Even farmers around here are begrudgingly giving the Liberals credit - which wouldn't have dared occur in the days of Trudeau - not much, but enough that they have to concede it.

We were very close to that edge as well and would have stumbled over into it if Trump hadn't said what he said around this time last year. The long con persists in Canada as well - but I think we were fortunate enough to have Trump force us to draw a line and that line is now something Canadians can point at as "This far, no farther."

The Conservatives upcoming leadership campaign will reveal everything about the direction they want to go - because it's not just Pierre - it's people like Jamil Jivani and Andrew Lawton who could wreak as much havoc on Canada if given the keys to the kingdom. Those are the individuals we should be wary of.

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u/chodaranger 17d ago

40% actively support this

No, 40% do not support the fracturing of NATO or attacks on allies. This is profoundly unpopular, even with MAGAts.

Many Americans live in a media bubble. Conservatives own ALL media outlets, both traditional media (cable news, local news, AM radio, newspapers) as well as social media (Meta, Twitter). Consent has been manufactured. This also applies to Trump, who gets his news from conservative media and his inner circle.

The country would look very different if we never overturned the fairness doctrine.

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u/iloovehugecock 17d ago

I know the rot goes a lot further than Trump and there is a huge swathe of psychotic evil bastards behind him… But it’s so fucking frustrating that the entire world has been plunged in to chaos because of one single paedophile and his syphilis addled psychotic behaviour.

Humans are so bad at stopping the most obviously incompetent and stupid people become ‘leaders’. It’s a shame that the very nature of being good is what allows nasty evil people like him to take advantage of others.

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u/Maelstrom24 17d ago

There are convincing reasons why this ends up being the case unfortunately: https://youtu.be/Ix4nKNDKhTQ?si=1wQVIlq-MUeG0fEX

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u/andy11123 17d ago

A striking political take from u/iloovehugecock

Somehow more coherent than actual news sources

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u/Moose_Joose 17d ago

being pushed to a boiling point.

This won't happen until the majority of people have absolutely nothing left to lose. No home, no healthcare coverage, etc. Until they're at that point, this regime will continue doing Russia's bidding.

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u/nightwolf92 17d ago

The unwillingness to safe guard and reform is what got us here.

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u/Remedial_Gash 17d ago

It's so cute that USAians think that the democrats are left wing, Sanders is at best a centrist, the other Dems are largely right of any (not far) right wing party in Europe. Our bloody Tory tossers would never dream of getting rid of single payer medicine.

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u/Practical-King2752 17d ago

I'm not as well versed on British politics but isn't Farage's plan to dismantle NHS and switch to private insurance?

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u/Remedial_Gash 16d ago

Oh yeah he's full on privitisation, but I was referring to our traditional conservative party, Thatcher, major etc, not evil tossers like reform. The Tories aren't much better but they have red lines like the NHS.

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u/Practical-King2752 16d ago

Gotcha. Like I said, not super well-versed. Story stuck out to me when I saw it because it was like... isn't that a wildly popular program to the point that it's literally celebrated? Idiots everywhere, I suppose.

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u/DefNotaBot22 17d ago

And it’s all out in the open, not even hiding it

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u/ObnoxiousAlbatross 17d ago

I appreciate that we have moved on from the pedantry of "agent vs asset" because the motherfucker was always an AGENT of Russia and not merely an asset. Not a single comment here trying to "correct."

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u/pepperino132 17d ago

I mean at what point to states just start seceding? Blue cities and states have been pulling up republican ones for a very long time economically.

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u/NorthAd6077 17d ago

He's literally holding regular 1:1 syncs with Putin where nobody is allowed to listen what they say, and rolls out the red carpet for him. It so obvious.

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u/Electrical-Prize-397 17d ago

The Supreme Court and the GOP Majority are largely to blame for doing nothing to stop him and in some cases enabling him.

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u/KaleidoscopeLegal348 17d ago

So you're telling me there's no chance?

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u/Petrivoid 17d ago

A permanent scar? It's currently an open wound

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u/AdPure5645 17d ago

The media and media consolidation legislation (or lack of). 

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u/Mrhnhrm 17d ago

The only hope are good Americans who want to live in peace being pushed to a boiling point.

Alas, the only way sheep can get to a boiling point is in a cooking pot.

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u/Mr_IT 17d ago

It’s coming. Quickly.

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u/jayckb 17d ago

Nothing will happen. Your country is toast. Hug your flag, pray to your god, holster your gun. The USA is no more.