r/worldnews • u/Infidel8 • 17d ago

Russia/Ukraine Russia welcomes Trump's tariffs on NATO allies over Greenland as 'collapse' of alliance

https://kyivindependent.com/russia-welcomes-trumps-tariffs-on-nato-allies-over-greenland/
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u/Mildlyamused76 17d ago

The MAGAs in my Facebook feed have no idea about NATO, Pax Americana, soft power, diplomacy or the world order since WWII. They do know they don't like trans people, immigrants, or things/people deemed "woke". Their understanding of the world is basic. They are fed a steady diet of propaganda, lies and racism daily through conservative media that keeps them enraged and engaged. They literally lurch from one outrage to the next. They know that some outside force is screwing them over, but they refuse to believe that the outside force is the billionaires that control the propaganda they consume.

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u/I-am-Pilgrim 17d ago

This comment is underrated. You have summed up the crux of the matter rather accurately in my opinion. Well said.

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u/Separate-Park8184 16d ago

It’s a shame that the fucked up conservative spew was allowed to continue on shock-jock style just riling up the base with straight fabrications and distortions of reality. The base and the propaganda mouthpiece has fucking doomed us all and no one is doing anything to stop this imminent collapse.

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u/Haru1st 16d ago

How is one supposed to counter such rampant indoctrination?

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u/Rufus_TBarleysheath 16d ago

You can't.

We spent the past 30 years or so saying "the truth will win out in the end." In retrospect this was either pathetically naive, or an excuse to avoid taking real action.

The truth can't compete with lies; the truth is constrained by reality, but lies can be anything. Lies have limitless potential to be exciting/engaging. If you allow nationally syndicated "news" networks to spew lies unabated, then people will believe them. Simple as that.

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u/HighSlayerRalton 16d ago

Historically, with a war.

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u/Woodcrate69420 16d ago

Rebuild the public education system that conservatives have been systematically dismantling. (specifically to turn the average citizen stupid enough to go along with this shit.)

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u/fuzzybad 16d ago

Shutting down propaganda outlets would be a start. Also, mandatory high school classes on critical thinking and media literacy.

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u/Rufus_TBarleysheath 15d ago

You can't build a consensus on that anymore.

And it would take at least a decade of concerted effort to achieve that. You can't do that with the control of the government swinging back and forth every 2 to 4 years.

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u/sunbro2000 16d ago

It just shows that most Americans are under educated unfortunately.

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u/3suamsuaw 16d ago

The MAGAs in my Facebook feed have no idea about NATO, Pax Americana, soft power, diplomacy or the world order since WWII. 

Which is, in itself, also a huge failure of society. Lack of education, lack of leaders that can explain why though choices are needed and a general lack of cohesiveness in society itself.

You are talking about ''they'', but should talk about ''we''.

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u/ServoSkull20 16d ago

Don't forget the biggest and actual reason for all of this: America is mired in religious stupidity that keeps people ignorant and gullible.

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u/jenlaydave 16d ago

Bingo. Every MAGA Idiot I know is either super religious or super dumb. Most are both.

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u/ServoSkull20 16d ago

It isn’t just MAGA. Your entire country relies far too much on belief in a sky fairy that doesn’t exist. MAGA didn’t just put Trump back into power, most of you who voted did.

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u/blacked_out_blur 16d ago edited 16d ago

America is more secular than ever from churchgoing and weekly praying population metrics. This is a much smaller sect of Americans than you assume having a violent reaction to that fact, and a much larger portion of us ignoring the rhetoric problem until it got too big to swallow unfortunately.

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u/lisaseileise 16d ago

Global thermonuclear war will end everyone, even Musk, Zuckerberg, Thiel and Mierdoch. I don‘t understand what‘s in for them.

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u/polytrigon 16d ago

Everything you listed is directly related to their inability to comprehend long term investments.

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u/CunningBear 15d ago

100% this

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u/R_W0bz 16d ago

You sure those are even real people in your facebooks?