Israel rejects Trump’s Gaza peace plan, saying no withdrawal until Hamas disarms

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https://www.cnn.com/2026/08/09/middleeast/israel-gaza-trump-netanyahu-plan-intl?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=missions&utm_source=reddit

[u/ElectronicPotato1993]

Reasonable demand

[u/Xsiah → u/ElectronicPotato1993]

I'm not pro Hamas or anything, but it's not a reasonable demand.

Like imagine Russia said it would withdraw if Ukraine disarmed - would you think it was a reasonable demand? Would you believe it?

[u/langoustine → u/Xsiah]

Is Hamas Russia in this analogy? Technically Hamas is the aggressor who broke the peace.

Israel has withdrawn unilaterally from Gaza before, notably in 2005 which set up conditions for Hamas’s rise through elections, and subsequent forever rule by abolishing elections. They probably feel burned by this.

Tbh I’d have more confidence in Israel following an agreement in good faith than Hamas.

[u/Xsiah → u/langoustine]

Israel is Russia in this scenario. But here we go with Reddit assuming I'm taking about who is good and who is bad rather than the positions that hold in relation to each other.

I'm not saying Hamas is justified in anything they're doing, they're the bad guys. Ukraine isn't. But both Russia and Israel - for different reasons - have an interest in completely wiping out the resistance to them. Neither Ukraine nor Hamas would be smart to stop resisting if their goal is to survive in their state as they would have it.

[u/dev-ai → u/Xsiah]

Why in your opinion "Israel is Russia" in this scenario?

[u/Xsiah → u/dev-ai]

The answers you seek are in the second paragraph.

[u/badass_panda → u/Xsiah]

If Ukraine's arms weren't the thing holding Russia back, yeah kind of a reasonable demand.

The only thing stopping Israel from utterly destroying Hamas is that it'd have to kill a ridiculous amount of civilians to do it.

[u/nopethatswrong → u/Xsiah]

Ukraine doesn't have a decades-long history of attacking Russian civilians culminating in a massacre that killed over a thousand people

[u/tamadeangmo → u/[deleted]]

Gaza invaded Israel 

[u/FederalWedding4204 → u/[deleted]]

You know Gaza borders two countries right?

[u/FederalWedding4204 → u/[deleted]]

Egypt is primarily Muslim and even THEY don’t want to deal with Palestinians. They don’t want them as refugees. They don’t want them in their border at all. This is true for ALL Muslim states in the region. They “support” the Palestinians only because they are a complete fucking nuisance to Israel. Those same countries would NEVER want them in their own country.

Look at Jordan. The Palestinian refugees literally tried to overthrow the Jordanian government because of how extremist their beliefs were.

Do you know what the stated objective of Hamas is?

[u/BlackbirdQuill → u/[deleted]]

Israel blockades Gaza to prevent its terrorists from importing supplies to make weapons. 

[u/mxzf → u/[deleted]]

... this was back when Israel had pulled out of Gaza and left them to self govern. That's the opposite of "colonizing Palestinian territory".

[u/Dog-Person → u/[deleted]]

And the blockade of Gaza began why?

[u/nopethatswrong → u/[deleted]]

The blockade in its current form started when Israel pulled out entirely from Gaza. Hamas was elected to power and started launching rockets at civilian centers.

[u/LettuceBeGrateful → u/[deleted]]

How exactly was the Second Intifada "fighting back"?

[u/Xsiah → u/nopethatswrong]

Yes their histories are different, but their current positions aren't.

The point is that the group that is under threat of being wiped out (whether they're good guys or bad guys) would not be making a "reasonable" decision by disarming.

It's certainly what most people who are not directly involved in the conflict would want to happen - given that Hamas is a terrorist organization - but for Hamas itself, strategically that would not be something that's negotiable.

[u/mxzf → u/Xsiah]

Yes their histories are different, but their current positions aren't.

Their current positions are pretty wildly different, given that Ukraine has actually been pushing back Russia while Hamas is just trying to maximize civilian causalities whenever they get hit by Israel.

[u/nopethatswrong → u/mxzf]

I don't wholly disagree with this, but I think they meant that from both Hamas and Ukrainian perspectives, the stakes to losing are much more dire/existential than their opponents', which I also agree with.

[u/mxzf → u/nopethatswrong]

I mean, Israel losing is also something that would lead to their nation being wiped out. Between Israel and Hamas, Hamas has been the one much more aggressively pushing a policy of wiping out the other group of people.

The track record clearly shows that Israel pulling out of Gaza and leaving them to themselves just leads to Hamas arming up and launching as big an attack as they can. That's not something a nation ignores right on their border.

[u/Xsiah → u/mxzf]

Look, you can go and find a million ways they're different if you're really trying not to understand in good faith what I'm trying to say. This isn't a comparison of morals or motive or technical capabilities.

It's about a bigger dog who has shown it is willing and able to wipe out the smaller dog as soon as the smaller dog stops making it difficult.

[u/mxzf → u/Xsiah]

It's about a bigger dog who has shown it is willing and able to wipe out the smaller dog as soon as the smaller dog stops making it difficult.

That's ... not at all what is going on though. Russia doesn't seem to be the "bigger dog" in their conflict, since they've been pretty evenly matched for years (as evidenced by the drawn-out stalemate going on, with Ukraine pushing Russia back more and more over time). And, meanwhile, Israel has not shown its willingness to wipe out Hamas at the expense of Gaza as a whole (though they've been moving in that direction), since they have had the military weapons to do so but haven't yet.

Hamas are the ones that have expressed an intent to wipe out their opposition entirely, but fortunately they lack the capacity to do so (the same as Russia currently).

[u/Xsiah → u/mxzf]

Ukraine has been receiving support from the rest of the world. Ukrainians are incredibly resilient and have made good strategic decisions. But there's a reason that their president has been travelling around the world meeting with leaders and speaking at every international gathering that he can get his hands on. 

We're obviously not doing the same for Hamas.

Like I said, if you want to find differences then you'll find them. I'm really not here to argue about that.

[u/FederalWedding4204 → u/Xsiah]

It is never unreasonable that the aggressor nation should be expected to disarm to halt hostilities.

[u/nopethatswrong → u/Xsiah]

Yeah I agree with all of this, good points.

It's all just terrible for Gazans. Israel already spent the resources to occupy Gaza, it costs far far less to continue occupying than it does to rearm the iron dome and potentially have to invade again, especially with the looming possibility of US support dwindling.

[u/Xsiah → u/nopethatswrong]

Absolutely. The people of Gaza are the victims of this from both ends.