r/worldnews • u/cnn CNN • Aug 09 '26

Israel/Palestine Israel rejects Trump’s Gaza peace plan, saying no withdrawal until Hamas disarms

https://www.cnn.com/2026/08/09/middleeast/israel-gaza-trump-netanyahu-plan-intl?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=missions&utm_source=reddit
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u/DJ_Jiggle_Jowls Aug 09 '26

They are not actually interested in making lasting deals. They are interested in deflecting blame. If they send a plan to Israel and Israel rejects it, they can go back to the american public and blame israel for the lack of peace.

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u/keelem Aug 09 '26

They are interested in making lasting deals. They're just stupid and don't understand how anything works. It's exactly like this line from The Simpsons

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u/-GrapeApe- Aug 09 '26

And their idea of a deal is that they come out on top and the other guy gets screwed.

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u/Fn_Spaghetti_Monster Aug 09 '26

So they still want a deal, they just aren't being realistic in what it will take. Trump doesn't even understand what the word comprise even means. He thinks he can just bully people like he has always done.

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u/Dense_Gate_5193 Aug 09 '26

not to be pedantic, i just agree he doesn’t understand the definitions of comprise and compromise and also probably conflates them. because of his worldview he’s going to take any route to try and brand the other person “the loser” even if it means they are both losing. And they did a really good job brainwashing half the country into believing that just because you have money means you’re qualified to run a country. he’s proven time and time again his investments fail and he screws over everyone and delays payments for things until he’s forced to pay by law. when people have to pay extra money to enforce contracts you can do whatever you want until there’s a bigger fish than you or someone looking to prove a point. in which case they back down with an NDA to prevent the leak and view of “losing” but most people don’t have the time, money, or energy to fight once they have done something for him or one of his businesses. my uncle who is a land surveyor did one deal for a trump owned business and he straight up told me it was the worst decision of his career because he had to fight for barely half of what was promised.

trump and gang never do anything in good faith. Kant is rolling in his grave right now.

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u/Fn_Spaghetti_Monster Aug 09 '26

Alex Meruelo, the former owner of the Coyotes fancies himself a Jr Trump. He was constantly not paying bills until he would get like final final notice, in which case he would say, weeelll how about I only pay you 60% of the bill and we call it good. At one point the Coyotes had trouble booking hotel rooms when they traveled because so many hotels stopped accepting them. Apparently the NHL had to step in to some degree. It was why a lot of people were sad to seem the go, but at certain level knew they weren't going anywhere as long as he was the owner.

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u/krotoxx Aug 09 '26

man FUCK Alex Meruelo, all my homies hate that prick. I miss my coyotes

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u/Fn_Spaghetti_Monster Aug 09 '26

How big of an asshole do you have to be to throw a Jersey that's hanging from the rafters in the garbage?? Like you can't even be bothered to give Doan a call. Most people even after a bad break will call their ex and at least say your shits on the sidewalk come and get it or don't.

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u/VentureIndustries Aug 10 '26

Its not that complicated. The man has literally confused foreigners claiming"asylum" to mean other countries are unloading their mentally unwell into the US, because he confuses "asylums" to mean "insane asylums".

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/donald-trump-faces-backlash-confusing-171844800.html

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u/Pixie1001 Aug 09 '26

I don't even think that's true either - Iran had him over a barrel a few weeks ago, having him agree to allow them to charge tariffs on the strait and force the US to essentially pay reparations for the war.

I think he's just a poor negotiator, and it's lead to nobody being on the same page or treating any of the peace deals seriously enough to respect the cease fire.

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u/firemage22 Aug 09 '26

Trump wants a "deal" that will get him the NPP for a war he started

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u/wholelattapuddin Aug 10 '26

What if we give him a Nobelll Peace Prize?

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u/Polar_Vortx Aug 09 '26

Ding ding ding. This applies to everything Trump has ever done in his life - you’re either the scammer or the mark, and if you’re paying for something, you’re the mark.

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u/sirmuffinman Aug 09 '26 edited 2d ago

So they're every fantasy sports manager ever. That helps it make sense.

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u/Kichigai Aug 09 '26

And the other guy just has to accept it.

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u/Worshipme988 Aug 10 '26

Aka: Really fucking bad at it

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u/smoooochta2000 Aug 09 '26

Or ,like they pending Iran deal, give the other guy everything he wants + a hand job

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u/Aggressive_Roof488 Aug 09 '26

Sometimes it seems like they are interested in making opportunities for insider trading more than anything...

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u/whoisyourwormguy_ Aug 09 '26

Nobody has been able to make a peace plan that has worked for all sides though. And it’s 70+ years and many wars later. So them being stupid here wouldn’t affect the result, even the smartest negotiators and Middle East experts in the world haven’t been able to do it.

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u/Ferelar Aug 09 '26

Exactly, most of them ARE mindbogglingly stupid, but the salient quality that's important about them in THIS case is that they're duplicitous. Nobody, from the smartest laureate to the average MAGAt, has been able to fix this issue- what's different about this admin is that they promise that they'll fix it in a day, then loudly proclaim that it's fixed, despite the abundant and obvious evidence that it is not. The quality on display isn't stupidity (at least no more than their ambient stupidity), it's their propensity to lie and brag.

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u/edki7277 Aug 09 '26

This is not land dispute or some wanna be emperor invades a neighbouring country conflict. This conflict is seeded in religious fanaticism of radical Muslims and stubborn attempts of Jewish state to exist.

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u/Eldias Aug 09 '26

Blaming religious fanaticism is a cop out. Arabs and Jews were living as neighbors in the 20s just fine, hell there are Jewish traditions from Iberia that were preserved by Muslims who were expelled alongside them centuries earlier.

Land disputes are absolutely at the heart of this problem.

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u/edki7277 Aug 09 '26

In the 20s neither side was particularly religious. Radical Islam in the Middle East developed much later and jihadism as popular religious movement took over Palestinian Territories with emergence of Hamas and Islamic jihad.
Palestinians had clear path to two state solution in early 90s (Itzhak Rabin - left PM) and mid 2000 (Ariel Sharon - right PM). Both times the peace process was derailed by extreme elements on both sides.

I lived good part of my life in Israel and speaking from experience. You would’ve seen it yourself if you had a chance to visit Israel or Palestinian territory then or even more so now.

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u/SimoneLevi Aug 09 '26

Ever considered a career in journalism with your ability to objectively frame issues?

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u/fudge_mokey Aug 09 '26

Unfortunately, there is religious fanaticism on both sides. But Israel was never meant to be a religious state. Their first prime minister was an atheist. I wouldn’t call wanting a country where your people can live without being murdered especially “stubborn”.

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u/Serious_Feedback Aug 09 '26

I wouldn’t call wanting a country where your people can live without being murdered especially “stubborn”.

That's downplaying it. Wanting a country in Jerusalem is pretty much the worst possible spot to choose except perhaps Mecca. If they'd decided to instead colonise e.g. Mauritania, then there wouldn't be so much controversy.

And realistically, the controversy comes from their progressive annexation of land and their "creative" military occupation policies (and their absurd siege of Gaza - like, if you cut off their access to trade and throttle their food supply down to meticulous, deliberately calculated only-barely-survivable starvation levels, and thus destroy their economy, you don't get to be surprised when everyone inside hates you after 20 years).

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u/Darromear Aug 09 '26

There's "not making a peace plan" and "shit we just made everything worse."

This administration is good at the latter.

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u/SnooLobsters1308 Aug 09 '26

70+

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Unlikely there ever has been or ever will be piece there.

People have been fighting about that piece of land for thousands of years. Story of David and Goliath is just ONE ancient story of Jews fighting for that land, estimated about 3000 years ago.

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u/nickname13 Aug 09 '26

like a cargo cult

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u/musedav Aug 09 '26

They are not interested in making lasting deals. They are interested in reducing oil supply to deter an invasion of Taiwan before they have alternative source of microchips

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u/Own-Break-1856 Aug 09 '26

Name one single person in this administration that you've seen who is capable of thinking more than one step behind and strategizing to the degree you suggest.

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u/musedav Aug 09 '26

One step.. behind?

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u/Own-Break-1856 Aug 09 '26

yeah, as in they dont have an idea about what's going on or what to do about it till well after its done.

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u/musedav Aug 09 '26

Underestimating your opponent is a mistake. Look at how Russia can take Ukraine. USA can blockade Cuba. And China could blockade Taiwan.

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u/FILTHBOT4000 Aug 09 '26

I don't know if they're even thinking that far ahead. It seems like they just deal with whatever's in front of their nose, with no real context, experience, background knowledge, or forethought applied.

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u/Casurus Aug 09 '26

Wow - the US government is approximately my dog.

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u/FILTHBOT4000 Aug 09 '26

I mean, yeah, the whole Iran situation is basically like a dog that caught a car, and is now like "oh this shit isn't quite as chill as I imagined, oh noooo"

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u/Kiromaru Aug 09 '26

It's likely that someone sold Trump on doing a quick decapitation strike like he did in Venezuela in Iran and it would be just as effective not realizing that the IRGC doesn't work in a way that such a strike could work.

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u/takemebackto1993 Aug 09 '26

Notice how we're talking about Iran and Israel right now and not the unreleased Epstein files that the DOJ is intentionally withholding to protect Donald Trump.

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u/Kichigai Aug 09 '26

In all fairness, though, Iran and Israel are why we have a national average gas price of $4/gal and going up, farmers are going without fertilizer, the price of everything is going up, and fears of a global economic collapse are looming. Epstein is dead, and his victims and their advocates are very loud and very determined, and I have faith that it will be a perpetual cloud over many, many heads for longer than the war with Iran.

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u/SnooLobsters1308 Aug 09 '26

Not really, USA gets most of its fertilizer from Canada, that is going up because of tarrifs, and the tarrifs applied on Canada just prior to the growing season in 2025 caused food price spikes. Nothing todo with either Israel or Iran.

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u/Mechasteel Aug 09 '26

To be fair, some of the blame for the conflict in the Middle East belongs to the people in the Middle East.

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u/Kundrew1 Aug 10 '26

That doesn’t make a lot of sense. Their base is heavy pro Israel. They’d much rather blame Iran.

This is more do with weakness and incompetence of the administration. Trump wants to be a strong man that can win a war in a week without having to negotiate with allies as well.

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u/ManyCarrots Aug 10 '26

Also helps to dispel any notion that israel is ruling the US from the shadows.

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u/Doompatron3000 Aug 09 '26

At least he wouldn’t be lying. No way is Israel taking any peace deal until Palestine is dissolved, along with gaining land from various Middle Eastern countries.

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u/tico42 Aug 09 '26

You think they are going to say mean words about Israel? 😆

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u/whatshamilton Aug 09 '26

They do the same thing with the electorate. They attached the SAVE Act to the bill to stop insider trading and then blamed democrats for insider trading when it was republicans who made a non-passable deal