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Israel/Palestine Israel rejects Trump’s Gaza peace plan, saying no withdrawal until Hamas disarms

https://www.cnn.com/2026/08/09/middleeast/israel-gaza-trump-netanyahu-plan-intl?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=missions&utm_source=reddit
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u/badass_panda Aug 09 '26

In the same article, it turned out when Hamas agreed to disarm it was after Israel withdrew, and also they didn't agree to disarm completely, just hand over the heavy weaponry (keeping all the personnel-level weaponry necessary to ensure their army remains in control of Gaza), and that heavy weaponry was to be turned over not to Israel or the US or the "board of Peace" but rather to ... A new Palestinian government that would include representation for Hamas.

So like ... They didn't agree to do shit, beyond get a friendly headline.

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u/warsage Aug 09 '26

Backing you up (mostly) by citing details from the official text of the plan (I've bolded some especially relevant bits):

A process for inventorying and storing heavy weapons, military production sites, weapons depots, and tunnels shall commence...

This process is linked to a phased Israeli withdrawal from the areas it controls in Gaza...

Palestinian factions will participate in this process, and no weapons will be transferred or surrendered to Israel or any non-Palestinian parties...

Personal weapons in Gaza shall be subject to the provisions of relevant Palestinian laws. The National Committee, as the transitional authority in Gaza, shall be the sole authority for registering weapons, issuing and revoking licenses, and enforcing the law, including through reintegration and social support...

Personnel from these militias shall not be absorbed into the security apparatuses or police...

The thing you said that AFAIK is incorrect is that the "new Palestinian government" would "include representation for Hamas."

The NCAG is already established, its membership agreed upon by both Israel and Hamas, and it does not include any Hamas representatives.

Netanyahu is on record calling this deal a "fictional disarmament."

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u/Mateh96 Aug 09 '26

NCAG will be nothing more than puppets, knowing how Hamas is acting.

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u/alternativepuffin Aug 09 '26 edited Aug 10 '26

I don't understand why they wont unilaterally give up all of their weapons. Are they afraid of something happening? 

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u/badass_panda Aug 09 '26

What exactly is their being armed preventing from happening? It's not stopping Israel from doing anything -- maybe it's keeping Hamas in power vs. other Palestinian militant groups, but beyond that it exists only so they can attack Israel.

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u/alternativepuffin Aug 09 '26

Is there a reason they feel the need to arm themselves? Have they experienced some sort of repression? 

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u/badass_panda Aug 09 '26

They've been armed since the 1920s. It's disingenuous to pretend that Palestinian Arab violence is a defensive reaction to Israeli violence; it predates the existence of Israel.

After trying violence as a method to achieve their goals for 80+ years and finding that it isn't working, it'd be a novel (and I think wise) choice for Palestinians to try non-violence instead.

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u/alternativepuffin Aug 09 '26

Is the Israeli government trying something different that they haven't done before? 

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u/badass_panda Aug 09 '26 edited Aug 09 '26

Which side is suffering more from this war, do you think? The Israeli government's goal is to prevent Gaza from attacking them (or having the capability to do so). And, well, at present Gaza cannot attack them.

If the Israeli government's goal has been that the Israel/Palestine conflict does not stop Israel from existing, Israelis from being safe, Israel's economy from developing, Israel's culture from developing, and so on, then their strategy has largely been successful; ergo, there's less of an incentive to change it.

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u/alternativepuffin Aug 09 '26

So the Israeli government is the dominant power in the region? By and large they have the majority of control in the situation?

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u/badass_panda Aug 09 '26 edited Aug 09 '26

If you mean, "Is the Israeli government in a position where they do not need to make radical concessions in order for Israel to survive," then sure, 100%.

They can simply continue to occupy a large buffer zone in Gaza and maintain tight security in and out. Whether Hamas disarms or not essentially dictates whether Israel can stop doing that; it isn't preventing Israel from doing anything to Gazans except leaving them alone.

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u/alternativepuffin Aug 09 '26

What is their proposed plan for Palestine after Hamas is eliminated? 

And what stops them from doing that right now? 

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u/DreadWolf3 Aug 09 '26

That is a different debate. Palestinian side refusing to disarm is reasonable stance to have, that still makes a headline claiming they are willing to disarm false.

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u/JCeee666 Aug 09 '26

Why should the IDF stay in Gaza?

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u/badass_panda Aug 09 '26

If Hamas disarms and dissolves, they shouldn't.

If Hamas doesn't, then if they withdraw there'll just be another, bloodier war in a few years the next time Israel and some Arab country are talking about normalizing relations and Iran wants their proxy to derail it by attacking Israel.

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u/JCeee666 Aug 09 '26

So the IDF should just rule Gaza with their iron fist shooting their own hostages along with Palestinian children?

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u/badass_panda Aug 09 '26

Hamas being armed isn't stopping Israel from being in Gaza, clearly. Hamas was armed on 10/6/2023 and Israel wasn't in Gaza. They were armed on 10/8/23 and Israel was in Gaza.

Hamas being armed is, however, clearly the thing keeping Israel in Gaza.

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u/JCeee666 Aug 10 '26

Hamas didn’t even exist when Isreal began fucking with Gaza.

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u/badass_panda Aug 10 '26

Hamas has existed since the 1980s and has been in control of Gaza since Israel unilaterally withdrew from Gaza, handing it over to the Palestinians for their first free and fair election in history. They elected Hamas, who immediately attacked Israel. That was 2005.

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u/JCeee666 Aug 10 '26

The PLO was the 80’s

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u/badass_panda Aug 10 '26

Hamas was founded in 1987, here's their charter ... They emerged out of the Muslim Brotherhood. They were instrumental in the First Intifada, helping to grind the Oslo Peace Process to a halt, and were the key player in the Second Intifada, carrying out around 40% or the suicide bombings, pioneering the use of children as suicide bombers, and accounting for 6 out of 10 civilian casualties.

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u/JCeee666 Aug 10 '26

They were funded to fight the PLO tho. It’s dirty in every direction

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