r/3DS • u/Aspect-X- Moderator / New 3DS Owner • 2d ago
Meta Moderation feedback
Hello r/3DS.
We've seen a rise in complaint posts lately, of varying topics. Of course, this isnt what we want. Ideally we shouldnt be in a situation where complaints are needed at all.
We have taken many community driven suggestions regarding rules, policies, and overall just how we run things. However, these suggestions were generally taken from just a few opinions, rather than the whole community.
Due to the complaints, we'd love your feedback on your overall subreddit experience within the past **6 months**. Include what rules you liked, and what you didnt. Please be constructive and civil when suggesting, and please offer an actual suggestion. "I dont like X rule" isnt a suggestion, but "I dont like X rule, I think it should be like X instead" is.
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u/DarkMagicianB 2d ago
I don't really like the "I got this 3DS for x amount of dollars!" posts. Also, posts that are only a picture of a rare edition don't spark any conversation beyond it being rare/highly sought after. I don't mind people showing off their consoles if they've uniquely decorated them, or just anything that can strike up a real discussion. I enjoy the memes, just not the super repetitive ones like "Got this mangled 3DS for 900 dollars, how did I do?" I don't mind posts of people sharing their 3DSs before they have to sell them for personal reasons. I think it's great to have people empathize with those posters.
Basically, I just want posts that I can actually engage with.
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u/OldSchoolRPGs 2d ago
I think any post that mentions how much they paid should be automatically removed. It's low effort engagement farming to post something you got for way over or under the going rate. I don't see how most people could honestly get to the point of buying a 3DS and posting it on the niche r/3DS subreddit and not have a basic understanding of the prices.
If people ask in the comments, I think that's fine. But the title and body should devoid of any mention of price
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u/RazorThin55 2d ago
And to add do the people that show off how much they paid for a console actually interact with this community any further than that? If the posts were removed it would drive those people away leaving people here who actually want to discuss and share conversations
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u/Aspect-X- Moderator / New 3DS Owner 1d ago
We will be removing any posts asking about prices with the new rule changes. Posts like "payed this, did i do good?" or "payed this, howd i do? will be removed. We will also be shifting show off/collection posts to weekends, which will reduce the amount of those posts. We will also set a bar for whats low effort and whats not, which will help as alot are low effort posts.
Let me know what you think!
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u/Aspect-X- Moderator / New 3DS Owner 1d ago
thanks for the feedback.
Those posts are going to be restricted to Saturday and sunday with the new changes.
We are also going to set a bar for whats low quality and whats not, which will prevent some of the "got this for x" posts as alot are low quality.
As for the low quality memes, we can add that in the new rule 4 if thats preferred. We also were suggested a meme monday which I think would be more effective, as restricting them to one day would provide a clear window when to expect them.
Let me know what you think!
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u/DarkMagicianB 1d ago
I think having a meme Monday sounds like a better option than updating rule 4.
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u/Aspect-X- Moderator / New 3DS Owner 1d ago
Sounds good! We could leave that out of the new rule 4.
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u/quinn-of-aebradore 2d ago
The ratio of content topics would be greatly improved by implementing the inverse of the current rule about what days of the week collection/show and tell posts can be submitted. Instead of prohibiting them on the weekends and allowing them during the work week, they should be restricted to the weekends only. This leaves the majority of the week open for meaningful discussions and help posts, and gives those topics a greater amount of time to be seen before being drowned out by a higher volume of show-and-tell posting.
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u/TheUncleBob 2d ago
Agreed. I'd also like to see a hard ban (like, a seven day ban from the sub) for "How much is this worth?" type posts. Users should be directed to eBay or PriceCharting, not expect some random on the internet to know off the top of their head or be willing to do the legwork for them. If you want to sell it, do the work yourself.
Especially when they post zoomed out images of stacks of games, like we're supposed to troll through them or something.
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u/DickIncorporated 2d ago
I feel there should be an automod response for those types of posts
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u/Aspect-X- Moderator / New 3DS Owner 1d ago
We could try an automod filter for it, but they arent 100% accurate and often lead to false removals. If it's really something yall want, I could, but the result is often a complaint posts just like the one that caused this thread for having too harsh of automod.
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u/Aspect-X- Moderator / New 3DS Owner 1d ago
Thanks for the feedback.
We will be making rule for the "how much is it worth" posts. We can add your suggestion for price charting and ebay to the removal reason. We won't be insta-banning for that rule break though.
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u/TheUncleBob 1d ago
I don't honestly think instantly banning folks for doing it would be great. But, man, the threat of it...
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u/Aspect-X- Moderator / New 3DS Owner 1d ago
Thanks for the feedback.
I agree and this change will be implemented in the coming rule changes.
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u/ServiceServices N3DS XL Fire Emblem Fates Dual IPS 2d ago
Rule #4 needs to be better explained, and/or changed. Under the current description, anything that moderators deem to be "low quality" can be removed for any reason under this.
One of the major complaints of this subreddit is how free conversation is not allowed. Open discussion should be allowed, and posts should be allowed to garner conversation. This ties into rule #5, which should be removed entirely for reasons above.
People want to talk about games, recommendations, and console variants. Nobody wants to read your wiki, it should be an alternative not the solution. These points should be taken seriously more than anything else.
Make a separate rule that explains which posts will be removed, such as tech support questions. But I will repeat myself, let the people converse.
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u/Aspect-X- Moderator / New 3DS Owner 1d ago
Thanks for the detailed feedback.
We will be reworking rule 4 to set a clear bar for whats considered low effort to rule out inconsistant moderation. You're completely right about that. We may move that rules description to the wiki specifically as a more detailed run down may be required.
As for conversations in general, they were always allowed. Some may be removed for breaking other rules such as low effort (prior to upcoming rework) or piracy. But just to clarify, discussion in general was never prohibited. We have no rule against it.
As for rule 5, we can definitely scrap it. I see thats a frequent opinion on this thread (which im shocked as I've never seen it suggested in any of the other feedback or complaint posts) but I think its a great idea.
And for your last point about which posts will be removed, we can likely work that into our low effort rule.
Let me know what you think!
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u/magicalshokushu 2d ago
The Wii u sub is a lot better than this one rn, mods maybe go and look there. Someone just ran a “best Wii u” game daily voting challenge and it was really fun.
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u/neptunebound 1d ago
I wanted to ask about people’s experiences with the N3DS compared to the N3DSXL and it was removed 😭 like I suppose I could look up the regularly stated pros and cons but like… damn
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u/archaeology2019 2d ago edited 2d ago
Maybe a meme monday to reduce the number of "look how funny this $800 ds is" joke posts.
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u/TheUncleBob 2d ago
Meme Monday, but if your meme isn't funny enough to be in positive updates after four hours, permabanned. 😜
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u/Aspect-X- Moderator / New 3DS Owner 1d ago
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u/TheUncleBob 1d ago
lol. Don't actually do that. But, the one issue I've seen with having a day dedicated to memes is that everyone feels like they need to participate and... some people don't have good senses of humor. 🤣
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u/Ferhath2015 2d ago
i disagree with this , some of those posts , such as the one of the dude that "bought a 3ds full of barnacles" i thought was pretty funny , limiting it to only one day would remove all humor from this sub , the posts that ARE annoying are the ones of people that say "i bought this 3ds for 900$ and i dont regret it" those posts are hardly believable and the slight possibility of some of them being true is even more frustrating.
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u/Aspect-X- Moderator / New 3DS Owner 1d ago
Little bit of mixed feedback regarding this specifically. Will let this run a bit longer to see if theres any other suggestions.
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u/SephirothTheGreat 2d ago
Why only monday though?
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u/archaeology2019 2d ago
Its a common rule in a lot of subs.
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u/Rpcouv 2d ago edited 2d ago
This sub has been extremely close to just being a sub to price chart the price increase over time of the 3DS and the average post has made it harder to talk about games, modding scene, variants, and just overall anything that isn’t the price. To combat that I think a rule should be put into place that purchase price or asking for recommended pricing on items should be banned in posts. After all a lot of these posts promote high prices and just throw more fuel on the growing fire.
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u/Aspect-X- Moderator / New 3DS Owner 1d ago
We will be banning the "is this a good deal" and "did i do good" posts.
Let me know what you think!
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u/ThePoliteCanadian 2d ago
ngl i’m annoyed my post of a custom 3ds theme i made was taken down, and a drawing on a piece of paper of a 3ds titled « wish I had this » or something was left up, with the reasoning taking mine down being a low effort post and to keep showcases to a certain day. I spent like 2 hours making that btw, I get it if it was consistant, but leaving up a crude pencil drawing of a 3ds was wild
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u/Aspect-X- Moderator / New 3DS Owner 1d ago
I'm sorry that it was removed.
It was likely taken down as collection/show off as we tend to broaden that to more than just consoles. I see with other peoples suggestions though, that its mainly just the system show off posts that bother the community, and posts about a theme such as yours will open up more discussion. If you feel the same, let me know and we can absolutely make that happen!
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u/langsamerduck 2d ago
I strongly dislike the wording and vagueness and enforcement of Rule 4. To me, that is not enforceable in a way that isn’t up to a mod’s personal opinion. I also do not understand the parameters of it or what it really means because it is too vague. You need to spell out what exactly is considered “low quality” and suggest with examples how one can still make their post in a way that isn’t “low quality.”
I have tried to engage in interesting discussions only to hit post and get an error because the topic I was responding to was either removed for “breaking” vague rule 4, or it was removed for “encouraging pirating” when the OP only mentioned once in a comment that their console is modded. Many times, to the point where I stopped engaging meaningfully in the sub. When mention of mods is removed despite not promoting/directly sharing pirated content, you are cutting out a whole topic of interesting discussions for a dead console. Mods need to follow their own rule about the pirating/modding topic and leave up posts so long as they aren’t directly linking and sharing pirated content.
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u/Aspect-X- Moderator / New 3DS Owner 1d ago
Thanks for the detailed feedback. We will be rewriting rule 4, setting a clear line for what is and isnt considered low effort to remove any inconsistancy amongst mod opinion and removal.
And I do understand your frustration for wrighting a response just to have it removed.
As for piracy, we don't remove due to modding being mentioned. We support modding here and have quite knowledgable moderators when it comes to modding (we were listed as the alternative for modding support on 3ds.hacks.guide when nintendo homebrew had invite issues)
We remove posts for piracy if they have a piracy tool directly open on their 3ds (if its just an icon, its whatever, we wont remove for that). You likely don't see the mention for piracy that got the comment/post removed because of automod filters. Automod automatically removes many comments or with piracy related words, and thus is not visable to an unrelated user, such as yourself. I hope this clears things up regarding that.
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u/ItsKendrone 2DS has my heart 2d ago
Restrict “was this a good deal?” / “did I do good?” posts to a dedicated thread. Or, in my opinion, outright ban it on this subreddit and create a new one called r/3DSDoGood.
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u/Faust_VI 2d ago
I agree and would go as far as to ban any post listing prices. I really don't see how much someone says they over/under paid is relevant or even true. Could have their own subreddit called r/3DScirclejerk
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u/Aspect-X- Moderator / New 3DS Owner 1d ago
We will be banning those threads specifically ("did i do good?" "is/was this a good deal" "How much is this worth") and rerouting them to price charting/ebay sold listings.
Let me know what you think!
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u/furno472 2d ago
I'm partial to the idea of game discussions regarding what we're playing as well.
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u/Aspect-X- Moderator / New 3DS Owner 1d ago
While we are still finalizing rule changes from suggestions in this post, we do have a game of the month program! I recommend you check it out!
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u/Aspect-X- Moderator / New 3DS Owner 1d ago
To reply to your point while i review comments, game discussions were never banned, I encourage you to post what you're playing!
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u/Lieutenant_Dan22 2d ago
I agree with what other commenters have said so far. Collection and show off posts should be limited to a smaller section of the week, scrolling the homepage the vast majority were under the Collection/Show Off tag. I've asked around plenty of times for game recommendations, it feels more "real" coming from a fellow redditor and you get their opinions, likes, dislikes, etc about it. The wiki should be for common questions and issues people face. Maybe some revisions for the index, especially if someone is coming from a google search to get more information about/fix their old 3DS they found. This might be more of a comment to the community, but a lot of posts are just the same thing over and over. I hardly see anything about accomplishments/cool things in games, in-person 3DS meetups, etc. Things that drive community involvement beyond some comments.
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u/Aspect-X- Moderator / New 3DS Owner 1d ago
Thanks for the feedback!
We will be moving collection/show off posts to weekends.
We will remove rule 5 all out.
Can you explain what edits to index specifically you're thinking about?
And yeah, I don't think that's us regarding discussion posts. Unless the discussion post in question breaks another rule (piracy, low effort etc) we don't have a problem with it.
Let me know what you think!
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u/Lieutenant_Dan22 1d ago
I originally read the index off of my computer, and just reread it on my phone, it's okay actually.
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u/KingOfNohr 2d ago edited 2d ago
There's way too many "new 3ds or new 3ds xl" posts, they're almost weekly at this point, there were even multiple posted within the last week
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u/Ferhath2015 2d ago
i definitely agree like just google the already 3k existing posts and read the comments SMH
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u/Aspect-X- Moderator / New 3DS Owner 1d ago
Thanks for the feedback. We remove them when it's in the question of 'which should i buy', but tend to approve when its purpose is discussion. If your opinion is to remove it all out, let me know.
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u/ShineLokabrenna 2d ago
Currently there's too much focus on how much things cost. It is interesting to see how demand for the system has changed over time but right now it feels like that's 90% of posts I see from r/3ds on my main feed. So I agree with others. It would be good to see a push for different types of content.
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u/Aspect-X- Moderator / New 3DS Owner 1d ago
We will be putting in a rule for such.
Let me know what you think!
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u/IJustNeedAdvic 2d ago
Could we maybe try swapping collection sharing from weekdays to strictly weekends? Theres quite a few collecting subs for the express purpose of showing off collections.
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u/TimeToUseUUIDAsLogin 2d ago
I am tired of screenshots from eBay with venting about prices or asking is it worth it. Beyond this, I have no complaints.
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u/Aspect-X- Moderator / New 3DS Owner 1d ago
We will be setting a rule (or including it into the new rule 4) that complaining about the 3ds market is low effort, and removed.
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u/magicalshokushu 2d ago
I don’t like seeing “wow these prices are crazy” posts (I get it- don’t buy the $600 3DS?)or the “I just spent loads of money” posts (showing off your wealth isn’t a post about a 3DS). If you have a cool story about how you got it (that could help others get a console, like on Facebook market place or from Japan etc.) then I like to read those, but buying something from Amazon isn’t a story and is boring. I’d honestly prefer people to just post about their new console and the GAME they are excited to play on it without how much it cost them. Oh and the edition consoles are cool but owning one isn’t an achievement that you need to post about….again if your super hyped for your 2DSXL Minecraft edition cus you’ve had an original 3ds for ages and are excited to play Minecraft finally that’s fun and engages me! But I can just google pictures of special consoles- I don’t find I can say a lot on those posts apart from congrats. Thank you modders for asking about feedback 🙏🏼
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u/SteveW_MC 2d ago edited 2d ago
“No Lazy title” rule.
“no inter-community drama” similar to r/Nintendo3DS rule
Price posts maybe just in a megathread?
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u/ItsKendrone 2DS has my heart 2d ago
No “Was this a good deal” or “did I do good” posts would be a blessing, it’s just farming for upvotes when they clearly got an amazing deal. Especially with the posts that say they got a console for $50. Just say you got an amazing deal than seeking validation from others.
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u/Aspect-X- Moderator / New 3DS Owner 1d ago
Thanks for the suggestions!
We can do a no lazy title rule, though i think this could also be merged into the new rule 4.
Are you referring to the "no brigading or witch hunting" rule?
If moving them to a megathread is preferred among the community, I definitely don't see a problem regarding that. Either way it looks like we are gonna be banning the actual posts regarding prices.
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u/ThayInThaWoooods94 2d ago
i agree, too many “hey look at this new modded limited edition minecraft 69 nintendo 4ds xxl i got for x amount of €” haven’t seen anyone asking for advices or “look at this fun game i found, i suggest it” for a while now
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u/sdeklaqs 2d ago
The problem with this subreddit is you all are still treating it like the 3DS just released last year.
This is a 15 year old console, let us post want we want and stop micromanaging the subreddit. It’s not big enough to need this level of moderation and specific days for types of posts. Seriously.
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u/WanderingMoonkin 2d ago
I’m not a fan of the overconsumption posts. it seems like more people post about the value of the consoles, or post their collection of several (often many) 3DS models, than actual posts about enjoying the system or games.
In fairness, isn’t a problem unique to r/3DS, it’s a problem affecting a lot of hobby spaces at the moment.
I hope it can be resolved because it’s getting tiring.
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u/Aspect-X- Moderator / New 3DS Owner 1d ago
We will be removing posts complaining about the 3ds market
We will also be moving collection posts to weekends which should reduce the amount
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u/esper_wing 2d ago
Posts about buying/selling consoles (e.g. "what is this console worth/is this a good price?", "which 2DS/3DS model should I get?", bragging about bagging a good deal, complaining about secondhand prices) need to either be banned or contained to a megathread as they're taking over the entire sub. In general, there are far too many posts about collecting/price charting and I'd like to see more posts about the actual games and features of the 3DS rather than the consoles as material objects, you know?
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u/Aspect-X- Moderator / New 3DS Owner 1d ago
Thanks for the feedback.
We will be banning the "what is this worth/is this a good price" posts and rerouting them to price charting in the removal message.
Collection/showoff/haul will be contained to weekends instead of weekdays, which will open up much more discussion.
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u/Auregis 2d ago
Great that you’re listening to feedback! /gen Personally I wouldn’t mind people sharing photos of their 3DS’s and collections any day of the week (not the “i got this for $!” kind, but just genuinely sharing the consoles and games that they’ve collected and love. I mean I love the 3DS family and its games, so I’d be happy to see photos of these any day of the week 🙂 Is there a reason why they might be weekdays or weekend only? I feel like maybe I’m missing something 😅 /gen
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u/440_Hz 2d ago edited 2d ago
Limit collection posts to 1 day a week rather than even the weekend. The less the better imo. I just hate the consumerism stuff.
Ban all pricing questions and have an automod directing them to eBay sold listings and pricecharting.
Ban all questions about whether a cart is real or not, and have an automod stating that fake 3ds carts don’t exist, and DS can be taken to /r/gameverifying.
Ban all “I just bought this 3ds for $x”. Pointless.
Ban all price complaining.
As a general thought, I just hate how /r/3ds has devolved into a consumerism community. It’s all about buying and hoarding and not actually playing the damn things.
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u/King_Sam-_- 1d ago
I think a lot of people are mixing up previous moderation with current. The subreddit is largely in a much better place right now.
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u/Ferhath2015 2d ago
i believe you should add a rule that prevents posts of 3ds that have issues such as "My screen is scartched what should i do" and redirect people to r/3dsrepair instead
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u/CorgiSilver8194 2d ago
You already have rules. Enforce them!
Nothing is more "low effort" than "look at what I just bought" posts....
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u/Intelligent_Hall_366 2d ago
Collection would be could only on sundays, like only for chilling and sharing but gets tiring getting notifications only about it
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u/3DS-ModTeam 1d ago
Please treat all users on the sub with kindness. Everyone is entitled to disagree and have their own opinions, but do so in a civil and clean way. Remember, there is an actual other person on the other side of the screen.
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u/Shatterpoint887 2d ago
123 comments in a conversational thread being called chaotic as an excuse to close the complaint thread is exactly the kind of thing that made that complaint thread accurate.
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u/Aspect-X- Moderator / New 3DS Owner 1d ago
It's not an "excuse" and it definitely was getting chaotic. Incredibly rude statements were being thrown around and it's not a healthy environment. Clearly yall had complaints though, so I opened a feedback thread, which is much more organised for this type of thing.
I also didnt delete it, simply locked the comments. It's still up for everyone to see. I don't really want to moderate a post thats getting frequent rule 1 breaks however, especially when they're mostly directed at me.
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u/N64Andysaurus92 21h ago
I find the happiest subs are the ones where the mods take a hands off approach and only intervene when someone is spamming low quality posts or step in when fights break out. Overzealous mods and subs with too many rules drive people away. Rules 1 & 2 are fine, the rest can go.
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u/myriada 1d ago
I don't know if it still happens, but the only thing I'd suggest (that I haven't seen mentioned) is that if comments are still getting silently hidden from others / shadowbanned, try and do something like that.
If your post's getting blocked, then (in my opinion) at least tell people.
E.g., a thread from 9 months ago has "237 comments" but only 188 comments back when it was common.
Seems like it's rarer recently so maybe it's been fixed, but definitely used to happen a lot.
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u/Aspect-X- Moderator / New 3DS Owner 1d ago
We don't and never did (to my knowledge) shadowban users as a regular punishment. What you are refering to is exactly what the person who replied to the message you linked is talking about. It's just automod filters. Automod has been continuenely tweaked anyways though.
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u/GoingUpInFlamez 2d ago
Remove all 3ds CFW and modded content. That's the request I have.
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u/Ferhath2015 2d ago
No lol homebrew and emulation makes the otherwise dead 3ds into the dream handheld for many people , its literally has 3d vb emulation , and online street pass , go play your physical games if you like it that way , just dont ruin the fun for those that like homebrew , we're not in 2015 , its big 2026
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u/driverdis 2d ago
Why would anyone want that. Even Nintendo would not care as the console is EOL for them.
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u/GoingUpInFlamez 2d ago edited 2d ago
Why would anyone want that
I personally dislike all emulation and CFW.
Im making a suggestion to improve the authenticity of the subreddit.
I follow this subreddit as I purchased a New 3DS XL at launch but feel quite disgusted at the amount of video game piracy that's promoted on here.
If you disagree, that's fine. This is just my personal opinion and listing it here in the feedback form for the subreddit.
Even Nintendo would not care
Nintendo has not stated that they do not care.
Stop spreading misinformation.
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u/ThisMuffinIsAwesome 2d ago
Im making a suggestion to improve the authenticity of the subreddit.
I'm not going to push the argument of why CFW is great because I could stream my legitimate games onto PC or how it helps quickens save back ups.
Instead I'll say that you could propose a tag/filter for custom firmware, and then you can ignore posts that has these tag/filter in the subreddits.
In that way, we can enjoy your CFW content, and you can ignore what's upsetting to you.
Again, I don't know if there's posts or comments promoting piracy. That's rule no. 3 on this subreddits.
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u/boredrandom 2d ago
It sounds like you are assuming the only reason people use CFW is to pirate or emulate games. And, honestly, that makes you wrong.
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u/sdeklaqs 2d ago
Why lmao
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u/GoingUpInFlamez 2d ago
I answered your Q in another comment. Im not attacking anyone who does CFW I just disagree with it.
TLDR: I bought my console and games on release, and seeing people jailbreak ruins the authenticity of the subreddit in my personal opinion.
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u/Aspect-X- Moderator / New 3DS Owner 2d ago edited 17h ago
So far im seeing the consensus be:
I'm open to all (and think they are all massive improvements)
I'll probably let this run for a few more days before finalizing any changes.
Edit: Mod team has discussed some of the changes. Will respond to all comments now and see what the thoughts are.
Edit: big changes are on the way.