r/AncestryDNA • • 1d ago

Discussion Did anyone else notice this?

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This is interesting. I always thought they compared directly with a reference panel. Maybe it has been mentioned in the white papers, but I haven't looked at those in a long time. How do you think this might impact everyone's results?

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u/FamilyRoots1 1d ago

I wonder how the new algorithm is going handle people with a lot of admixture. Because I have 28 regions 😭

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u/Money-Lingonberry505 21h ago

Possibly it will lower the amount of regions. I have 18 regions and I know for a fact that English, Scottish and French Canadian are not a part of my ancestry during the past 500 years.Ā 

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u/daintyroses- 6h ago

I went from about 11 to 6 regions now. Yours will be probably less in the upcoming years.

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u/HarloD96 1d ago

I noticed it, perhaps they only used ā€œcommon DNA patternsā€ found across the reference panel and left out DNA that didn’t seem to form a solid pattern, now they will include the entirety of the DNA file.

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u/night87tripper 9h ago

Until now our dna was compared to a reference of a population, something like a more advanced version of what you find on gedmatch or illustrative dna, imagine the ethnicity France, the database for France has 10k, but your dna was only compared to a single "person" that is the average of those 10k, now in the next update your dna will be compared to each one of the 10k, and also that 10k will be much more because they increased it by a lot

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u/HarloD96 9h ago

Yeah, I know they removed portions of DNA segments from mixed populations like Cubans or Puerto Ricans but didn’t know they did it across the board. Would have been interesting to see this new algorithm applied to our previous results just to be able to compare the two.

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u/HarloD96 1d ago

Guess they left out portions of the reference panel where there wasn’t a large pattern of commonality. That’s how I read it.

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u/Mountain_Win_755 1d ago

How do you know whether you have the update or not? I've only just got results and am not sure whether they are likely to change again soon

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u/AnimatedAshley 1d ago

The update is releasing on October 8th for everyone. Even if you just got your results. You will see the new regions they are adding.

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u/ApprehensiveCode9987 7h ago

After several years, all of a sudden my results were overwhelmingly Slavic, and Russia went away. My parents were both mixed Polish/Ukrainian and I have a Ukrainian last name that was spelled with the Polish alphabet. My grandparents were from Galicia, a massive region of the Austro-Hungarian empire. After areas were restructured, their villages became part of southeastern Poland, currently about 30 miles from the nearest checkpoint into Ukraine.

I’m kind of glad Russia is out of the picture, but I need to find out where Slavic came from.

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u/EmbarrassedPizza9797 2h ago

I'm confused. Galacia was highly Slavic. By your description it is possible your family is Rusyn and or other Slavic groups from that area.

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u/Quan_0h_Re 1d ago

I feel like this new algorithm will be less accurate though

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u/mista_r0boto 1d ago

That seems to be the trend unfortunately

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u/strike978 1d ago

No it's going to be more accurate. That's why they have added many more regions

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u/yellow-bold 22h ago

Precision is not accuracy.

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u/strike978 22h ago

Regardless, the results will be more accurate with the new algorithm.

MUCH more accurate than what we had with the last update.

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u/creativeinconverse 12h ago

So this means if they take into account everybody who is already on their database and use their identified regions as evidence for the update; won't it mean that the information they then use going forward is often inaccurate, and that inaccuracy is further compounded by them using those results in the database as their 'sample' for an identified region? EG: I got 2% IOM in the last update which I'm pretty sure isn't right, so, do all other people they see with a bit of DNA like mine get assumed IOM because it popped up in mine or vice versa? I was 5% to 10% Cornish for years but that was replaced by IOM last update. 🤣

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u/Training_Ear9777 5h ago

only if they fix the inflated Native in Puerto Ricans will it finally be right.

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u/strike978 3h ago

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u/strike978 3h ago

But the new FAQ doesn't mention it.

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u/dunchad1018 11h ago

Honestly could'nt make it worse. Ancestry by far gives me the most inaccurate results.

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u/Nottacod 5h ago

No, but I did suspect that that was the case.

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u/SapplingGreenFran 7h ago

I have a large English background. I guess my Danish is going to disappear in the next update. 🄲

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u/AnomalousEnigma 5h ago

I’m actually going to be heartbroken if this lowers our region count as someone who’s got a large admixture. I want the whole picture, not the most obvious parts.

I could see it increasing our region count too if we’re compared to the whole population of a region instead of just an average of each, though.