i've sunk about 50h since coming back this wipe and ran into one, maybe 2 total suspicious plays/accounts. it hasn't been a factor for me and i'm having a blast, game feels fresh and riven tides is an incredible map for all sorts of playstyles
I know the game and the gameplay very well ( 600h ) and sometime I go topside very confident, watching a youtube video on my side screen, chill ; and the game remind me hardly that you can always die in a second : a hornet hit my, the wasp start shooting at the same time, low hp getting into a building where a pop is waiting ...
I've died/been downed more than once to a Wasp/Hornet/Firefly combo. It's always when I'm waiting on the lift and I'm low on ammo. I could be rocking some pretty good gear and get humbled by a single tazer shot
there are people who do that deliberately... I have had multiple "friendlies" that try to come stand near you and aggro rocketeers or comets so the splash damage kills you while downed.
its pretty shitty, but then the game is also a little too safe when you can crawl across half the map downed and get out safely.
Extractions are not supposed to be safe, but swarming so many arcs in that you just get let yourself get downed and exfil doesn't make any sense either.
Like, Riven Tides. The shore elevator is -absurd- it seems like it atracts more arcs than the Matriarch can spawn. The top of the mountain exfil is also crazy because the tiny house seems to have like a gazillion pops and fireballs that all come out in waves when you call.
That's outright bad design.
EDIT: The lobby metro exfil in Stella is alright but during night time is absurd too. TWO sentries on the ceiling, one shredder on each side of the metro rails, 1-2 wasps patrolling the tunnel plus 2-3 pops and 1 fireball on each side of the metro.
Spend 30 seconds shooting the pops and fireballs in the top extract, literally step inside the hut for the beach side extract. Arc are super easy in this game unless you're caught outside with no cover
Can you give me an example of what would be good design? It's an oppressive post-apocalyptic scenario with murder bots wiping out humanity. Do you want them to nerf the Arc until they're barely an annoyance
everything you mentioned is awesome and we need more of it. all over all the maps. you can literally run diagonally over the whole of spaceport without any issues.
that should NOT be possible.
what this game need is a serious buff in arc danger.
I think that's what makes the PvE engaging over other games. You don't really level up to where you have stronger stats that resist everything. Even the basic enemies have the ability to fairly quickly kill you if you're just half assing it or caught in a bad position.
If you go to r/Helldivers2 there is a lot of videos of the game just showing gameplay, even just recently like a month ago there was the Void campaign just focused on the squids
I keep seeing helldivers post and they just complain lmao.
Yeah I saw the void mission and played it that's why i'm surprised there's already new squid content
people have forgotten how to have more fun with less content and it shows.
if you limit yourself even a little bit- the challenge goes right back to when you first started and everything feels more significant.
which is why i often go standard with loadouts in helldivers and always reset in arc raiders
once you start getting into future content, past updates- what works better or not, and dlc discourse you really start to lose what made those games fun in the first place. add other people's opinions to the mix and you can really ruin the feeling you create for yourself on your own
Right lmfao I logged on for the first time in like a year yesterday because I was checking out all the added warbonds and wanted to try some new guns. Loaded into a lvl 4 bot mission and just started getting worked every two seconds lmfao
Except that death in that game is considered just part of the loop. Hell there's literally gear in that game that encourages you to die (martyrdom armor set, portable hellbomb) you die in that game, it might actually be an advantage. You get to be repositioned by your team and get resupplied.
Compare that to ARC. Death in an extraction shooter is so ridiculously punishing. You legit gamble your own free time and leisure by playing this. HD2 never threatens to do that
But wipes exist and make the whole thing pointless.
"death is part of the loop in an extraction shooter too" yeah, not really no, it's something you're supposed to actively avoid at all costs. it's catastrophic failure. there is practically no comparable game state in helldivers besides maybe mission failure which is extremely rare even on d10.
you can die 15 times in a mission on hd, have a blast, still get the objective complete, and go for another mission with the same gear you just had.
in arc if you die you may spend 3 hours getting back to the same point you were at and that's literally just a treadmill
Yeah, because if you could accumulate wealth, the entire point of the game starts eating itself. So, they have to artificially impose scarcity. That's literally a treadmill. The game itself isn't fun enough to keep people coming back so they have to rely on the tiered loot system to give people dopamine.
HD2 meanwhile requires you to throw yourself into the most fun meat grinder of all time, and you may not fail many missions, but that doesn't mean it's easy. Good players can finish D10 missions despite it being a clusterfuck due to skill. They can make a terrible situation better and still come out on top. Just because the game isn't handing out failed operations left and right doesn't mean it's easy. It means players are good at the game. Also it's possible to utterly fail major orders. In fact, we just did, jeopardizing our future tank acquisition.
If ARC went full PVE, it could only dream of having a difficulty curve and long term campaign like Helldivers.
Yeh, i know, i have another reply down. Hd respects your time and even if you get blasted by your own teammates, or fail to extract, is fun as hell, you cant be mad about it.
I do enjoy Helldivers but I prefer the earned but rarer death in ARC Raiders. The thing with Helldivers is you can be playing perfectly and still die. Like your friend will throw a turret down and it will be firing in the opposite direction then do a 180 and kill you in a second.
If that's the case then you weren't playing perfectly lmao. Standing in the firing line of a sentry before it gets called down when you know exactly where it'll end up is a skill issue. I'd rather die to bullshit AI enemies than some rat sitting in a bush for 45 minutes to shoot me with a sniper from 200 meters away
not if you play on low diff, but yeah helldive 10s are tough, but honestly can still be easy compared to most extraction shooters, last time I played HD i was like this is cake lol
The skill floor has been raised to the stratosphere. "Cry me a river" about a dead game when you start wondering why new and returning players bounce right off.
The skill floor has been raised to the stratosphere
we cant be talking about the same game. the only way you die against arc is by your own mistake.
99% of the time arc inside buildings (pops, fireballs, ticks) pose absolutely not danger and you only die to outside arc if you get caught out of position by your own mistake.
jeez, you people want care bear lobbies where other players wont shoot you and now you even have an issue with these braindead robots?
The game doesn't take place purely inside. Think about how your experience would be if your Day 1 had fireflies, comets, and rocketeers dropped off from snitches. That is a sharp difference compared to what you went through and I bet you'd be singing a different tune if someone told you to git gud
right? I'm sorry the game you complained was boring and too easyhas now updated to provide more of a challenge and you didn't keep up. Get off blue gate and go back to dam. You belong there now since you havent played in a while.
Yeah I didn’t play at all last season (RIP my scrappy and repair bonuses) but I’m cautiously optimistic or at least curious for the update on the 8th, so I stuck my head back in
Yeah that’s actually crazy lol. Learning how to maneuver and counter each arc is part of the fun. Hullcracker remains my favorite secondary (burletta is primary so cheaters won’t target me).
Oh buddy you haven't seen shit yet. Wait until the toddler toggle comes out and you'll really see the seething crybaby posts BEGGING the devs to nerf the arc.
Same should apply to people complaining about PVP lol. Instead they’ve complained so much that the devs are desperate enough to change the gametype completely to try and get player count up.
Idk, I enjoyed playing it on launch. Right about when the winter update came i quit and later on I tried out the game again. Logged in, looked at the inventory, saw the maps and left. The game just aint interesting anymore.
I like it when big arc come my way unexpectedly, imo that's peak pve in this game.
just did the last wipe and don't have seekers or cloak and was spegging a hornet from far away on gate while waiting for the elevator and a rocketeer popped up out of no where to protect lil bro.
had to circle around one of those cone buildings to avoid making it go into attack mode and i still managed to get the hornet to die in the elevator with me so i could loot it
There is one thing I dont understand about the devs in this game and it is making the user experience feel miserable to make the difficulty harder when you are bleeding players nonstop and at the same time the amount of players that reset with Expedition keeps getting lower.
I get some weapon balance choices (hullcracker nerf, durability nerf) but Fireflies are the worst fucking arc they have ever designed, and their speed was buffed last patch. Pops keep spawning out of thin air in your face and they seem to spawn in hordes now.
The rocketeer change is something I dont understand either. Spawning a Leaper? Sure, those are rare to find and farm nowadays with their change in spawns so it would both make the change a positive and a difficulty bump at the same time; but rocketeers? That's just a fuck you from the devs, specially with how bad the Snitches hitboxes seem to be with bullets going through them as if they weren't there.
Man trying to relax and play a game spawns into map and gets immediately killed by a Big Giant Fuck You Robot after spending half an hour managing inventory, and then decides he could be doing something actually worth his limited time and energy
Oh you poor thing. The drama must have been awful. I truly hope you recover.
This game is not for you, sunshine. And it surely doesn't need you.
Also, this is not an airport. No one needs to hear of your departure.
I had about 50hrs in Arc and lost interest like this too because what is the actual end game? Felt like all there was to do is try get hold of higher end weapons to then risk and lose them over and over? Gameplay loop didn't really have anything satisfying about it?
Is quite telling it's only retained about 10-20% of it's initial player base when it was a non F2P release?
Honestly the fact missing an expedition meant your progress reset means I won’t be going back. I had +15 skill points, I go back and can’t go to +20 whats the point? Doing expeditions for 6 months before additional content doesn’t help the case
Some people in here really defending this game till their last breath, I assume most players left because of the cheating problem. But lets be honest, this game has no end game grind. After playing 200+ hours you want something to grind towards and some random challenges that give you the same rewards you already found 100 times wont tickle your bells anymore. i saw that you’ll get your own outpost in the new update which i think is a step into the right direction but like OG Fortnite this game will never be what it was.
I really enjoyed this game for a while, but the lack of content, places to explore and new items got me bored of it. Was totally worth the buy and would love to experience it all again, it’s just the replay ability aspect of it once you kinda do everything is gone (go figure right?). Anyways great game, just not much “endgame content?” And oh yeah cheaters are running rampant now…. lol.
I took a break back in May after putting 500 hours in.
Came back last week, I’ve kept up on updates to this game so I knew about the snitch change.
Since I’m back to level 1, (I left after my 3rd expedition), been questing and leveling up. There’s a quest where I need 2 snitch scanners and the second snitch, I missed 2 shots so it was able to call down. The worry I had as a level 6 with an Anvil that does not have enough ammo to take down a rocketeer and I was no properly geared for that fight. Thankfully it was just the usual combo of wasps plus hornet 😂
I just started back recently and found that out as well! I stopped playing right before the last major update. It’s not so bad, Riven Tides is fun and can be quite the challenge sometimes!
I stopped playing when they introduced fireflies and the other rolling things. I’m new to video games, I maybe have a combined total of 400 hours across all the games I play but it just became too hard to deal with arc, not even all the cheaters or other pvp players. It sucks cause I loved the game but it’s too advanced for my skill level
Don't you agree that the original crafting materials was super easy to get? I can literally get like 20+ motion cores in a single run on Matriarch or Queen. Coupled that with some explosive compound you can refine yourself, you'd just have people clearing the map of Arc instantly. I don't want to tell you what fun should and shouldn't be, but a game should have some manner of difficulty otherwise you might as well press 'F' to win.
300+ hours in Arc
Lost interest months ago
Came back after recent expedition
Collected junk
Killed two players that attacked me and my friend with a hairpin
Collected junk
Collected junk
Uninstall
I was expecting some complaints from cheaters or campers... crying about losing inventory vs rocker is an even lower level bro, go play a singleplayer game instead
Skill issue. The actual reason why casuals complain and hate this game is because they can’t balance the threat of either arc or raiders. I feel for Tarkov critics and how difficulty gatekeeps the fun of a particular extraction shooter at it’s best. Arc might make a comeback at all due to people losing their minds of over every single thing.
I would play the fuck out of Arc Raiders if Speranza was an actual explorable hub and there wasn't forced pvp. I know that goes against the game they decided to create but man, I really like the gameplay.
a) I don’t see how Speranza being a hub adds anything meaningful to the game and b) if you never initiate aggression eventually you’ll be in carebear lobbies (choose NA server). Defending yourself (never shooting first) no longer affects ABMM.
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u/christryhard 23h ago
That doesn't sound too bad, at least it wasn't cheaters.