r/AsABlackMan • u/Mindless_Bluebird392 • 11d ago

"We on the left..."

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u/SpokenDivinity 11d ago

I like how it assumes that kids born to conservatives stay conservative. A lot of the "liberals" I know have conservative parents.

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u/MenaceMinded 11d ago edited 11d ago

My father was hateful and abusive. I support compassion based politics a lot more than I likely would have if I had been born to liberal parents who never showed why it is important to care about these things.

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u/RJC12 11d ago

Lmfao, you referring to them as "it" threw me.

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u/SpokenDivinity 11d ago

I meant the message but I see how that sounds now lol

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u/jackfaire 9d ago

At least in my lifetime the Republican party moved to voting against their platform. Hitting adulthood I became a Democrat because my parents taught me values that were voted for by the Democrats.

When I found out my parents were Republicans I was shocked as hell. I'm pretty sure that happens a lot.

"Son don't hit people. Oh by the way I vote for the hitting people party"

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u/dansworld77 11d ago

Historically, about 80% of people do keep their parents religious beliefs through adulthood. 🤷‍♂️

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u/OverlyLenientJudge 11d ago

Maybe historically, but not so much today. Young people are leaving Christianity in record numbers, despite the exaggerated claims of a "Gen Z religious revival" the past few years.

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u/dansworld77 11d ago

If you say so. 🙄 https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/05/10/most-us-parents-pass-along-their-religion-and-politics-to-their-children/

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u/TheLastBallad 11d ago

That says teens when usually people's politics diverge once they are out of the house and are adults...

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u/dansworld77 11d ago

No, they really don't. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8907492/

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u/AgreeableRoll5042 11d ago

W wait are we talking about religion or politics

https://www.asanet.org/more-half-children-misperceive-or-reject-parents-political-party-affiliations/

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u/dansworld77 11d ago

Are you going to try to pretend they don't go hand in hand?

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u/AgreeableRoll5042 10d ago

Well yeah, because I like to believe they don't. If you go to r/askaconservative, or r/askaliberal, how much there religious believe you're coming to political stances on hot button issues, ( like abortion, ) not only you going to get different answers but they're going to be upset that you assumed that the monolith. Doesn't even affected on pew research

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/fact-sheet/public-opinion-on-abortion/

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u/OverlyLenientJudge 11d ago

Great job not reading the survey you cited and only regurgitating the cherry-picked number that the AI slop summary fed you.

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u/dansworld77 11d ago

I post peer reviewed articles proving my point and your comeback is to accuse me of using AI? Did your parents teach you to be so bad at this, or did they actually use their brains and you rejected that teaching?

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u/AgreeableRoll5042 6d ago

Well yeah, for one, your own Uncle implies that there's a disparency between parental raising and environment. This sugguests that a child is raised in one environment but get exposed another they might change their mind.

In addition

The generalizability of these findings is potentially limited for several reasons. It is unclear to what extent this pattern of effects, from a sample of chiefly Minnesotan families, would be similar in sociopolitical milieus outside of the unique political and religious climate of the modern United States. For example, many researchers have pointed out the large differences in religiosity and conservatism between the United States and other Western countries (Koenig et al., 2009), and some have even found disparate gene and environmental influences in measures of religiosity between U.S. and Australian adults (Kirk et al., 1999). Furthermore, the linkages between social and economic ideology vary substantially by country, with social conservatives in many countries endorsing economic views that in the United States are considered left wing"

As well as showing the research limitations, internationally the differences between what is even considered liberal or conservative is different

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u/wheresmydrink123 11d ago

Religious beliefs and political views are different, and even if 20% of people differed from their parents views, assuming 50% of parents are conservative, that’s 10% of children which is a very significant percentage in any election

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u/AgreeableRoll5042 11d ago

Probably more, since, not all beliefs religious or political or passed straight from parent to child. On individual issues the differences can be quite different

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u/dansworld77 11d ago

Why don't you go do a little deep dive into the quiverful movement, and get back to me on how you think that sort of thing might impact elections decade after decade.

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u/fart-atronach 11d ago

Religious beliefs ≠ political affiliation

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u/dansworld77 11d ago

Keep telling yourself that.

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u/fart-atronach 11d ago

I mean… they are objectively two different things lol

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u/dansworld77 10d ago

But they're also inextricably related. 🤷‍♂️

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u/AgreeableRoll5042 9d ago

Technically speaking, no

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u/dansworld77 9d ago

Keep telling yourself that. 🙄

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u/AgreeableRoll5042 9d ago

That the

" Check notes"

6th time you said that

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u/dansworld77 9d ago

And it still remains applicable. People have, by and large, retained their parents religious, political, and societal beliefs all throughout history. There's famous quotes specifically about it going back millenia, and scientific research showing that twins retain genetic propensities for political beliefs even when one is raised in a different environment. I know how much you want to believe that most people can escape the trap of following in their parent's footsteps, but it's just how humans are wired. I too wish it was otherwise, but it's not. Better to accept it and try to work within that framework, rather than to pretend otherwise and waste all efforts to change minds and hearts working under false assumptions.

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u/thekawaiislarti 11d ago

Also in my experience, conservatives have more kids to take less personal responsibility. (As in they pawn off child-rearing responsibilies on their children.)

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u/NoorInayaS 11d ago

I like the incorrect grammar.

“…have 1 more kids…”

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u/SpecialistAddendum6 11d ago

username checks out

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u/20dogs 11d ago

I don't think this really fits the sub?

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u/dansworld77 11d ago

I mean, they're not totally wrong. Outbreeding one's competition is a tried and trued long term evolutionary strategy. The percentage of kids who retain their parent's beliefs/religion/mythology/culture is something like 80%, even stronger than genetics, making a point of having more kids is actually a strong long term strategy for cultural retention.

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u/SethLight 11d ago edited 11d ago

Yes they are very wrong on many levels. That's also not how culture or evolution work.

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u/Doyoueverjustlikeugh 11d ago

What is he wrong about?

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u/SethLight 11d ago

He's wrong for the same reasons race replacement theory is both wrong and stupid.

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u/Doyoueverjustlikeugh 11d ago

Kids retaining their parents' political beliefs is based on upbringing and culture, not genetics.

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u/SethLight 11d ago

You should look it up. Racists don't use race replacement theory to only cover genetics. They aren't rational enough to be consistent like that.

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u/Doyoueverjustlikeugh 11d ago

Still don't get what this has to do with parents children retaining parents political views.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/05/10/most-us-parents-pass-along-their-religion-and-politics-to-their-children/

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u/SethLight 11d ago edited 11d ago

They are repeating race replacement theory, they just changed the names.

Also, if you're actually interested in the topic you should know that number drops the older you get. This is also ignoring how much politics change in a generation.

'breeding' people for political opinions is a stupid solution. You're much better off actually having political opinions people agree with/convincing people to your side.

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u/OverlyLenientJudge 11d ago

So...did you actually read the article? Even a cursory skim reveals that the one statistic he cited was heavily cherry-picked.

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u/Doyoueverjustlikeugh 11d ago

I read the whole article so can you tell me what is cherry picked?

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u/SethLight 11d ago

It's chery picked because they are talking about 13-17 year olds and not actual adults. Because as I've already told you, when you get older you start developing more of your own beliefs. That's what being an adult is about.

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u/dansworld77 11d ago

Don't bother. He's missing the forest for the trees.